Omnipotence is an Absurdity.


  1. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    I base that opinion on the Omnipotence Paradox.

    Most religions make the claim their God is Omnipotent. Literally meaning all power.

    You hear this echoed repeatedly "the all mighty God" Further that he is omnipresent as part of this omnipotence.

    Going by memory for this date of 800 years ago. The Omnipotence Paradox completely debunks the possibility of an Omnipotent God.

    I am working here completely from personal knowledge so no links but google as ever is your friend if you would like to fact check my statements.

    Here is the logical method used to reach a paradox.

    Can God as an Omnipotent being create a rock so massive that he, himself can not lift it?

    Yes? That proves with out doubt that he is not Omnipotent because he can not lift the rock.

    No? That proves he is not Omnipotent because he can not create the rock he can't lift.

    Its a perfect paradox which in philosophical and scientific view is the end of a line of debate or questioning.

    Now I know some of you are off to try to debunk this and please feel free. In some 800 years the only way this paradox has been debunked was to change the definition of Omnipotence. There are currently 4 different definitions regarding this topic. The 1st is literal omnipotence which just died in a paradox above.
    The others redefine the rules of omnipotence which define the limits of God and no matter how long you argue them having to limit God's omnipotence to break the paradox just reinforces it.

    Discuss.

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  2. Shinji01

    Shinji01 Well-Known Member

    I just read and am posting a quick response to get the discusion going because I enjoy this stuff.
    I will probably change my statement later, but here goes...

    it seems the omnipotent god thing is mostly seen in religions with one god.
    If you turn to religions with multiple gods they are more limited and much more "human".
    Take Greek mythology, Hinduism and Shintoism.
    They all have lots of gods and have conflicts. there is a hierarchy but not one omnipotent god.

    I think if the theory of omnipotence is a paradox, therefore a silly concept, it is not the theory itself that is faulty but the humans for believing in an omnipotent god and not choosing other religions.
  3. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Not sure it is a serious theory. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that a supreme being exists. The idea came from religion and those that believed in various Gods. Thor, for example.

    If God created the heavens and the earth, there goes science. Science cant begin to explain how a single being can/could create the heavens and the earth, so they create theories and they discover natural laws and toss in a little math to explain how things happened.

    I cannot see how science can ever co-exist with God. I tend to substitute the word God for Science. You might believe in a supreme being, but I believe in rules and laws. Religious folks call this God and I call it science.

    Perhaps God is not omnipotent; he simply has powers so great, we cannot understand them and we think they are without limits. Perhaps whoever created God has more powers? If so, who created THAT person/entity/being?
  4. Bob Blaylock

    Bob Blaylock Well-Known Member

  5. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Religion is opium for the masses. It exist to keep the rulers in power. Monotheism fits well within the fuehrer ideology.
  6. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

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