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  1. TheBrit

    TheBrit Well-Known Member

    Er...no. Where did that come from?

    Kind of what I have been saying elsewhere.

    What are these "Death Panels" you speak of? Maybe that did happen in the communist Soviet Union - I don't know - but this I do know: nothing like that exists in the UK.

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  2. TheBrit

    TheBrit Well-Known Member

    Me too: I love Snopes.com :D

    Guys, can we at least try to get our facts straight. Snopes is a great resource and does not just debunk - it also confirms where true such as the anti-christian basis of The Golden Compass etc.
  3. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    Agreed. Like I know what we call an 'Elevator' you call it a lift? Or escalator?

    And what we call an escalator you call something else as well.
  4. TheBrit

    TheBrit Well-Known Member

    An escalator is moving steps for lazy people. A lift is what you call an elevator.

    The ground floor is what you call the first floor and the first floor is what you call the second floor.

    On to body parts...on second thoughts don't go there. :D
  5. Bigjohn

    Bigjohn Well-Known Member

    yeah, just like bush and cheny were labled Hitler, etc.... Dems are even better at it than conservatives, because they get the media to quote and repeat their mantra...
    and he's done NOTHING on these issues, except to say he's against earmarks while signing a bill with billions of earmarks... The road to HELL is paved with good intentions...


    He was elected by black americans by a margin not much greater than george bush by the way. Bush's election was called "stolen", Obama's a "mandate" by the media... hmm.. can we say the media are in the hot-tub with Obama???

    I call bullshit. Prove what you say or go home. Yes, russia was collapsing, but only because conservatives in the senate - even during Carter's crappy reign - kept up defense spending and kept Europe fortified...
    False. You obviously have less understanding of the constitution than a gnat has of the meaning of life. CONGRESS (all democrats, back then...) raided social security to pay for their socialist programs in spite of the budget cuts that Regan wanted...
    Um, the Contra's fought AGAINST the communist Sandinistas...

    TRUTH! Thank you for speaking the TRUTH! For every person who says a great thing about 'government run healthcare', I'm sure there are 5 who had a bad one...

    Love that analogy.
    He's Godzilla, and our CONSTITUTION is tokyo... He's ignoring it as much as possible... Putting verbiage in a bill that makes it "repeal proof"?? Really? Can you say "not constitutional" to even consider such a provision??


    I consider myself a Constitutional Libertarian.
    I support organizations like:
    [​IMG]


    Disabled and unable to care for themselves = yes, deserving of charity.
    Everyone else? **** off. Get your damn hand out of my wallet.

    You sure as shit have them in UK... Committees that say how much can be spent to save a persons life at a certain age... They exist, and they determine that, if you get sick at 70, good luck with that.
  6. TheBrit

    TheBrit Well-Known Member

    Ah yes, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence - not perfect but certainly not a Death Panel. They do determine cost effectiveness and do sometimes get it wrong - very wrong but the notion about being on your own if you are over 70 is a myth peddled by vested interest in the USA when they argue against reform.
  7. GODMODE

    GODMODE Well-Known Member

    I dont know. I cannot read when a website has a "lounge" area and things like politics and religion are discussed. I'd rather go to a site that is specifically for that purpose and topic. The reason our economy sucks is because politicians spend out money lousily. Dont blame anyone but yourself. WE ELECT EVERYONE.

    There. Now I am a participant.
  8. Verio

    Verio Active Member

    I've read threw most of these threads, and I just have a few impartial questions, because frankly guys, he's our President for the next 3 years, deal with it.

    One year ago, President Obama stated that healthcare discussions in the House and Senate would be open door, and broadly displayed on CSPAN. Why is this not the case?

    President Obama stated during his state of address that Healthcare would not be offered to illegal immigrants, but it is, in the latest iteration of the healthcare bill. Why is this?

    Why do I lay restless in my bed everynight wondering if I'm going to be able to afford my healthcare after this new bill is passed? Everything I've heard so far about the bill affecting the middle class has been that our premiums will rise, with no increase in benefits.

    I work hard for my family, and I enjoy the nice things that I am able to afford with that hard work. I pay an incredible amount of taxes living in Massachusetts. Income Tax, excise tax, property tax, town sales tax, state sales tax, etc. Now, supposedly, I'm going to have to pay even more for healthcare, for people who are undeserving of it.

    People in this this thread claim that there are "rights" for people. Why should healthcare be one of those? In the 14 places that I've lived, there has ALWAYS been a free healthcare clinic. Why is it that people who cannot afford healthcare, go to these clinics? The healthcare bill benefits the least desirable people (i.e., illegal aliens, people skirting employment, welfare, etc.). Legitimate people who do not have healthcare are already covered under local State insurance policies currently. Of course if you're an illegal, you may have issues using those benefits.

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    Despite all of the Obama bashing by other folks, these are all issues that have plagued our country for the last decade primarily. Our country has over extended it's hand to the rest of the world, without cleaning it's own house. The term "don't defecate where you sleep" is very applicable to our current times. I just believe we're tackling those issues in the wrong way. The sad state of affairs is, the Democrats are going to railroad as much legislation they can in the next 3 years, with provisions not allowing them to be revoked. Wait and see, you will see the most wide changing liberal policies invoked before President Obama is out of office, not because of him, but because "it's pay back".
  9. MonkeyK

    MonkeyK Well-Known Member

    Everyone is more sensitive when their guy gets piled on. While extremests may have labeled your heroes as such, I recall no such statements from my liberal friends. My response was to labels applied in this thread.

    Wrong. He has taken action that you disagree with. However you disagree that he should take action, so if you think that he's done nothing, be happy.

    The pointless point. Even a conservative newspaper like The Wall Street Journal notes that Obama's victory was "decisive": Obama Sweeps to Historic Victory - WSJ.com

    Call bull and than agree. Nice flip flop. I said Reagan, not "conservatives in the senate".

    Ha Ha. This was proposed by Reagan's budget director. You are right enough in that congress went along with it.

    Reread your history. (Hint: There are two countries implied in Iran-Contra and more involved...)
  10. Bigjohn

    Bigjohn Well-Known Member

    A more honest analysis of the "victory mandate" of obama is this: A charming young man running against a Republican party[​IMG] debilitated by its association with an unpopular war and a politically toxic incumbent won a solid 7-point victory nationally. He sounded reasonable and moderate, and won for his party something important, if not necessarily epoch-making: a chance to govern after the other side had blown it.

    The media were complict:

    The three broadcast networks treated Obama to nearly seven times more good press than bad
  11. MonkeyK

    MonkeyK Well-Known Member

    Another tip that most of us learn in 5th grade or so: If you are going to use someone else's words, it is considered good form to cite the reference. In fact not doing so is called plagerism.


    To the content, complaining about a lack of balance comes off as whining. Balance occurs, on the whole, where statistically independent events of equal likelyhood and frequency are measured. That assumption does not apply here, so it is not surprising to see a lack of balance.
  12. rjoudrey

    rjoudrey Well-Known Member

    Too many kool aid drinking conservatives around here. Nothings ticks me off more than people who fight for others to keep more of their "Hard earned millions" as if these people really care about them.

    Wake up! It is the politicians job to see that rich people can legally rob us. And Texans got over a hundred billion out of the Iraq war and that's why the economy is so good there right now.
  13. imajor86

    imajor86 New Member


    I'm with you on that. It's pretty ridiculous in this thread
  14. SamuraiBigEd

    SamuraiBigEd Under paid Sasquatch! Moderator

    Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of the U.S. refining capacity is in Texas, not to mention a large chunk of the oil & natural gas production, a very large agricultural diversity, tremendous cattle ranching enterprise, high tech industry, etc., etc. Nope, we got our money from the Iraq war...
  15. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    So wait, your advocating that wealthy people deserve to be pubished for being successful? If that was the case, half the inventions we have wouldn't exist, probably even your phone. People would have no reason to be innovative or successful bc they would just get it taken away. So what would be the point? When people like you post things like that it just shows that little green eyed monster inside of you. The better question is... why do you or others deserve someone elses money? What did you do for it? If you want millions quit being lazy and invent something. There are self made millionaires every day.
  16. Bigjohn

    Bigjohn Well-Known Member

    Thought I had linked it.. but obviously you found the reference anyway...
  17. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    Oh, don't act like the libs aren't drinking the kool-aid too. Acussing either side of the aisle of trespasses is merely the pot calling the kettle black. Until you see this you know nothing of politics.

    btw in case of shtf-day I'm moving to texas.
  18. MonkeyK

    MonkeyK Well-Known Member

    I think that you quoted the wrong post.
  19. MonkeyK

    MonkeyK Well-Known Member

    It's still plagerism till you attribute the source. And as far as I can tell, it seems to come from a few sources.
  20. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    Ha lol ur right
  21. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

  22. InstantKarma

    InstantKarma Well-Known Member

    Truest statement in the thread
  23. InstantKarma

    InstantKarma Well-Known Member

    Paved highways are a privilege, not a right. :D
  24. Bigjohn

    Bigjohn Well-Known Member

    arguably the federal highway system is constitutional. How it's handled, managed, taxed, etc; well, not so much.
  25. MonkeyK

    MonkeyK Well-Known Member

    I call stupidity. Sorry, there is no other explanation for calling "treason" based on a chain e-mail message that you can't even bother to verify.
    Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200 | FactCheck.org

    Grow some integrity.

    Whenever something seems completely ridiculous, one should feel compelled to verify it before repeating it.
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