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  1. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Didn't think it needed proof. I thought it was common knowledge. Both parties utilize super PACs. The Democrats just aren't any good at using them. Their donors are reluctant to donate for whatever reason. But if you want proof of the obvious.

    Wealthy Democrats Still Ignoring Super PACs : Roll Call Politics

    Priorities USA Action, Obama Super PAC, Says July Fundraising Dropped


    Democrats are apparently reluctant to put their money where their mouth is. Wealthy Democrats are out there, they're jut not giving it up.

  2. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

  3. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    This seems like a good thing. Super PACs are wrong on so many levels.
  4. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    That may be, but when you see one party using them successfully and the other party is trying to use them and failing epically and then complaining and whining about the other parties success it is extremely amusing to me.
  5. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

    All Obama needs to do according to The New Yorker is pose for a few pictures with needy well-heeled Democrats:

  6. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    One must question the integrity of Romney/Ryan by those they choose to associate with. Drawing attention to this issue is not whining, but a call to question why these individuals should be elected into public office.

    Public disclosure: I have serious doubts the gambling & prostitution industry can be a model for sustainable economic growth.


    The issues swirling about Mr. Adelson
  7. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

  8. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Prostitution and gambling are highly correlated industries in a cluster economic zone.

    When Mommy Gambles… - CWF

    Obviously, the bigger the case, the more publicity gained. Less obvious but more likely, however, are the smaller, day-to-day prostitution deals carried on illicitly in casinos. The organized crime-casino connection, which cannot be reasonably denied, further validates the "coincidental" proximity of gambling and prostitution. Prostitution has long been a moneymaker for organized crime rings, usually ranking just below drug trafficking and money laundering.
  9. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

  10. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Republican donators are more motivated than others, especially if ones livelihood is threatened by law enforcement or regulation. It appears the Democratic contributors aren't as motivated.

    You may wish to deny casino gambling and prostitution have no relation, others living in the real world or those with knowledge or proximity of these industries have no doubt.

    Prostitution allegations have been made, see Sands Suit Alleges 'Prostitution Strategy' - WSJ.com

    I fail to see how gangster capitalism leads to sustainable economic growth, even though it has some success in Putin Russia.
  11. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    So apparently last election, when the Democrats out fundraised the Republican it was them that was threatened by law enforcement or regulation? Last year Obama raised like twice as much as McCain. This year Romney is winning that battle. Clearly something changed. Obama's ability to motivate the base maybe? Nah. Has to be that the Republicans are evil this year while they were saints last year.

    Sheldon Adelson is involved in prostitution? You'd better have more proof than one employee making a wrongful termination claim.
  12. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    In 2008 unlimited anonymous bribes were not allowed. Candidates had to appeal to a larger more diverse group for funding. Mr. Adelson is highly motivated due to the criminal investigations and now has the means via unlimited bribes he can now make.

    The Democrats tried to at least have the unlimited anonymous bribers made public, but Republicans defeated the bill.

    You asked for allegations of prostitution, so I gave it to you, stop complaining, you could be accused of whining. We'll have to wait for the lawsuit and criminal investigation of Mr. Adelson to determine the merits.
  13. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Perhaps Im wrong, but I dont think it was possible for say, the Koch bros to contribute so much funding last election.
  14. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    It's one allegation from one jilted employee. The fact that you think it is credible at all is ridiculous. If you fire someone and he claims you are a child molester does that make it true?

    The fact remains the Democrats are trying to do the exact same thing the Republicans are doing. The Democrats are failing at it. The same people who opened their wallets in 2008 are no longer doing so. Your explanation for the Democrats unwillingness to back their candidate is what? When you fail at something and then demonize those who succeed at it, what do you call it besides whining?

    That may well be true. Nevertheless the problem with Democrat fundraising isn't that Republicans are giving more than in 2008. Democrats are giving less. Donors who gave in 2008 just aren't giving this year at all or are giving much less than before. I linked the articles above. There are donors who gave over a million dollars last year and so far have given nothing at all. Democrats, for whatever reason, just aren't motivating their base.
  15. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    That "jilted employee" was the top China executive at Las Vegas Sands Corp. The SEC and Justice Department doesn't think it's ridiculous.

    A select few extremely wealthy some under criminal investigation Republican donors are highly motivated because they don't want to go to jail, so they are supporting the Party that believes in "You get the best justice money can buy".

    The Democrats are raising more money from smaller donors (<$200) than Republicans, the difference in this election is Republicans have an advantage in unlimited anonymous bribes from those who are scared of going to jail, the Democrats are reluctant to except money from soon to be prisoners.

    Why do Republicans whine when it is pointed out that their candidates are the serfs of criminals ?
  16. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    hmmm... this may ring a bell for ya....

    Let me google that for you
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    1. Republicans use Super PACs to get donations from wealthy backers and succeed wildly.

    2. Democrats use Super PACs to get donations from wealthy backers and fail miserably.

    3. Democrats complain about how unfair it is that Republicans are raising tons of money using Super PACs.
  18. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Well Republican policies tailor to these immoral donors far more than Democrat policies. Should Democrats deny global warming or a need to raise taxes instead of moaning?
  19. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    1. Republicans use 501(c)(4) organizations to illegally launder anonymous humongous bribes from those with good reason to hide their involvement from the public to Super PACs and now face IRS scrutiny, fines, criminal investigation and wildly need the Republicans to win to avoid jail time.

    2. Democrats use Super PACs to get donations legally from publicly known backers and need not worry about jail time.

    3. Democrats have notified LEO about the illegal activity of Republicans and Republicans are following their usual practice of stonewalling. The public has become aware of the Republicans are using the impeached and disgraced "Tricky Dick Nixon" tactics, thus forcing the Republicans use of voter suppression, voting machine tampering to "steal" an election.
  20. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I don't know... I think Adelson may be backing the wrong horse here. After all Eric Holder, who recommended Clinton's pardon of fugitive Marc Rich, now serves Obama.
  21. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

    Funny you should bring up Nixon tactics:
    Strassel: The President Has a List
    Strassel: Obama's Enemies List
  22. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Honestly, this thread amuses me the most because of how everything has come full circle. Just four years ago Obama raised twice as much money as McCain did. The Republicans pitched a huge fit and raised holy hell claiming that they should be able to use as much of their money as they wanted to back their candidate. After all, it was their money right? Democrats said nothing and painted the Republicans as whiny losers while Obama raked in the dough.

    Now, it's four years later. The law has changed and wealthy Republicans are doing what they griped about not being able to do and giving liberally to their man. This time around it's the Democrats who can't fundraise. The donors who gave so much to Obama last time around are no longer interested. So now it's the Democrats complaining about how the Republicans raise money. Last time around it was vice versa. You can bet that four years from now, some party will be complaining about how "unfair" it is that the other party can raise more money than they can.
  23. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    From your cited source "noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of the Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center, concluded that no crime was committed, and that Rich's companies' tax-reporting position was reasonable.[9] In the same essay Clinton listed Libby as one of three "distinguished Republican lawyers" who supported a pardon for Marc Rich."
  24. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  25. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    And where were you 4 years ago when Obama was raising twice as much money as McCain and the Republicans were complaining about how unfair the system was?

    And where are those wealthy Democratic donors from 4 years ago?

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