[POLL]Given HTC's recent actions against devs and ROM distribution, would you buy another HTC device


How will HTC's recent actions to stop distribution of RUUs affect your decision to buy from them?

  1. This will have no impact on my buying decisions.

    9 vote(s)
    31.0%
  2. I’d still consider a worthy HTC device but just wouldn’t root it.

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%
  3. If that’s how it’s gonna be, I’ll never buy another HTC device!

    18 vote(s)
    62.1%
  4. What’s an RUU or Sense?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    I wasn't joking when I said HTC may have decided to go after the government and corporate business that belonged to blackberry in the past, and may intend to make their devices the most secure and protected for credibility in those market segments. I've heard that they do a lot of business with the US military already, and most corporations won't allow rooted phones on their networks. IMO their devices are still the best hardware available for cellular devices.

    Obviously that's speculation on my part, but in their current financial condition they must be seriously considering alternative marketing strategies.

    ramjet73
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  2. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    I didn't think you were joking, I thought that was a good possibility.
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  3. breadnatty08

    breadnatty08 pain rustique VIP Member

    Really like HTC hardware but am hesitant on their ability to be modded. My Flyer is only one of two not to be rooted. Actually like Sense, but sure I'd run with it for a phone.
  4. Davdi

    Davdi Well-Known Member Contributor

    If HTC learned from the dev community and folded the best bits into their ROMS, or offered an 'enthusiats' (unlocked/permission to hack) rom for a reasonable price and still came down o those who hack the 'standard' roms would we have a problem with that?
  5. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    I would.

    My phone, my right to do with it as I please, and I don't intend to pay extra for a right.
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  6. Guitardoc64

    Guitardoc64 Well-Known Member

    To me this is the last straw. HTC has consistently worked against the dev community and this is the latest chapter in a long campaign. I, for one will not choose HTC when my upgrade comes around based solely on their efforts to lock down their phones.
  7. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    Not consistently - new models in the last couple of years have unlockable bootloaders (maybe not if you are on Verizon, but if so that's Verizon for you). Unfortunately that's not full S-Off, which is a huge shame, but it's better than it was when I bought mine.

    I'm not arguing that this isn't a severely retrograde move, but it is if anything a change of recent direction.
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  8. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    i think that the real shame would be if they decided to take action over at xda or other dev community's websites. so far i see only one or two mentioned. once that happens then for sure i will be jumping ship. but as long as i can get my files from xda, i'm ok for now. lets hope that does not happen in the near future.
  9. Guitardoc64

    Guitardoc64 Well-Known Member

    I doubt they would go after xda-developers. I think that they would more likey target those devs that are working on sense roms and distributing them.
  10. brownchm

    brownchm Well-Known Member

    Yes because HTC builds quality phones and I have become accustomed to using sense
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  11. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    If they were serious about killing custom roms, why not go to the source? All it would take are a few cease and desist letters. I doubt most sites (as well as devs) would put up the legal battle to continue.

    Since they haven't, I maintain that this is an isolated incident and not part of some grand scheme to kill off sense development
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  12. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    I'm curious then why your profile shows a Samsung Galaxy S III and the HTC phones listed are older models. :confused:

    ramjet73
  13. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    But they are going after the source. If they can stop the distribution of RUU's and/or encrypt them and take away the raw materials that developers need to make custom Sense ROM's, why would they need to shutdown sites like this one and XDA?

    Not to mention that after a few more threatening emails to developers like the ones that jmztaylor received (and presumably footballpda) no developer is going to want to touch HTC Sense ROM's anyway.

    Besides, if the developers are still creating custom HTC Sense ROM's there will always be a way to distribute them, so if HTC doesn't want modified ROM's on their customers' phones the only effective way to achieve that is to stop them from being developed.

    ramjet73
  14. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    I've already given my thoughts on the jmz and football situations. Any company is going to want to prevent leaks and protect their brand.
  15. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    Based on the lawyer's statements in the emails, it sounds like they are trying to do more than that. The focus seems to be on eliminating the use of custom and "pre-release" ROM's to reduce their exposure to user issues and damaged phones, but time will tell.

    Edit: BTW, I'm still interested in the email address you have used to get the RUU's directly from HTC.

    ramjet73
  16. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    I don't have a secret email for it, you should be able to get one through support.
  17. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    So have you actually gotten RUU's directly from HTC? I'm willing to try but I got the impression from this post that you are aware of some procedure that works.

    ramjet73
  18. brownchm

    brownchm Well-Known Member

    I just recently bought the S3 after having the Thunderbolt for a year and the S3 is only to last until my upgrade in May when something better comes out
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  19. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    So you prefer HTC Sense over TouchWiz based on actual experience. I've never used a Samsung Android phone but I think I would too. ;)

    And I definitely like the build quality of the HTC phones better based on the Samsung models I've seen.

    ramjet73
  20. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Ok. An RUU gives developers a safe baseline with which to build a custom rom.

    It's nice, not required.

    One of the lead devs on the team I'm on was the first to release the LTEvo Jellybean rom as a base for other devs and for users, based strictly on a clean OTA update. That same dev was the first one to release the same rom based on the decrypted RUU when it came out.

    Difference between the two roms - zero. Nada.

    If you know a device's physical layout, you can perform a clean update and pull the stock rom when complete. Only an unlocked bootloader is required.

    I used to build my own roms, just for me, doing a rom pull, it's not difficult. (Don't call me a rom developer, I never took it that far, don't expect I ever will.) Again, RUU not required.

    Many devs prefer or insist on using only the RUU as a base. And there's nothing wrong with that, not a bit.

    But there's more than one way to skin that cat and get the same results where the roms are concerned.

    And if they never release an RUU again, install the stock unrooted rom for the present version, lock the bootloader, take the OTA (to get new firmware), unlock, and re-flash su.

    All they can do so long as the bootloader unlock exists is make it take more steps. They can't stop it.
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  21. Guitardoc64

    Guitardoc64 Well-Known Member

    I like sense personally, but after playing around on a friends note 2, I think I would get used to touchwiz pretty quick.
  22. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    meh,

    i'll pass on any carrier added bloat launchers they use. give me aosp and pure android any day. its one of many for me on why i will always root my phone provided it is still legal....LOL
  23. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    Or go after the developers that modify and distribute their proprietary ROM's. It wouldn't do any good to shut down the "legitimate" sites since as someone has already pointed out that would just drive it underground.

    ramjet73
  24. ramjet73

    ramjet73 Well-Known Member

    Given that you've owned three Sense based HTC phones in a row, you must either buy them for the hardware or you've had a recent AOSP epiphany. :)

    ramjet73
  25. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    nah, not and epiphany. i rooted them and flashed an aosp rom to them;) and i do like the hardware.
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