PS3 vs x360 (use this, not 360 slim)


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  1. Aiyan

    Aiyan Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Post here mgillespie, you ain't welcome in the 360 slim thread so this is the result. If you want to discuss ps3 vs xbox 360, do it in the right thread and post here.

    What makes one of them better in your opinion? The graphics? Games? Maybe it's the conspiracy about a company is making comparsion movies between ps3 and xbox 360 make it look bad?

    There we some good arguments and bad arguments, let's visit the bad argument:

    For example, the Xbox's DVD player is actually SLOWER than the PS3's Blu-Ray drive, that myth was created by Microsoft and most Xbox owners still believe it to be 100% factually true, or that multiplatform games look better on Xbox (nobody every noticed that all these comparisons come from a single source, Digital Foundry, and they have been cherry picking what titles and what bits of a game to compare)

    Now there you have a bad argument and the conspiracy theory, unless you can back it up its invalid. "That myth was created by Microsoft and most Xbox owners still believe it to be 100% factually true" Yet again the same games loads faster at xbox360, though the DVD player is slower. SOMETHING MUST be wrong with PS3's hardware!

    Also what do you think about service? Me for an example, it takes me about 3 weeks to get my xbox 360 repaired. I had my PS3 repaired as well, it took me 5 months. Great? Nope.


    mgillespie says:

    "Sorry be the bearer of bad news... This is US -only which is the smallest gaming region.

    And those Xbox stats are rather manipulated, as it clearly does not split Xbox Live Silver and Gold. You need to pay to play online, and only 56% of users actually are prepared to pay for something that should be free.


    Xbox News: 56% of Xbox Live members are Gold - ComputerAndVideoGames.com


    Back in 2009, Xbox Live had 17m users (56% of which were gold). That is likely to me 20m or more about now. Meaning about 10-12m Xbox Live
    ONLINE players.

    PSN has over 50m accounts (across PS3 and PSP), every single one is full unrestricted online account.


    PSN tops 50 million accounts


    Well done for derailing your thread by posting silly meaningless Neilson sample survey from one country to try and make a (failed) point.
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    If look at that we see mgillespie posting around with more lies and nothing to back the lies up, other of course attacking us gaming fans because we njoy gaming on something he dont like: We see that PS3 have sold 35.5 million PS3 worldwide, while xbox 360 have sold 40.4 million worldwide.

    Which means, xbox is still doing it slightly better, we can say all we want about them starting first out. But if the product was crap, they would never have so many sales out there. Second out what was rather interesting is seeing the is more people on PSN then actually PS3 sales. Meaning to make those numbers better, most people have 3-4 accounts on theirs PS3 + PSP goes into the same network, yet it ain't more people there?

    Guess people who can, will just get their PSP connected directly to the internet instead of through PSN.

    Now to see another lie made, well after some abusing and attacking on american people. Oh and me, I was american as well... I heard a lot, but never that Norway was a city in US - that's complely a new one.

    "Sorry be the bearer of bad news... This is US -only which is the smallest gaming region."

    If we use the same chart we can see America is the biggest gaming region by far. The only two things we beat america at when it comes to consoles sold was PSP and DS. Rest was America dominating us on when it comes to consoles owned. Claiming that US only is the smallest gaming region is big blatant lie.

    Now why I say these things, I dont want to see those examples again, they are lies. I also dont want to see attacks the other person. I know I have been critical towards him in this post.
     

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  2. mgillespie

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    Yawn...

    2x Blu-ray Vs. 12x DVD AKA(PS3 vs 360 Drive Read Speeds) [Archive] - MaxConsole

    These are HARD FACTS with regards to drive speeds and data rates, not some Internet mumbo jumbo urban myth. The PS3 games sometimes stream higher quality textures which may account for some games taking marginally longer to load.

    Please don't bother responding with more links to urban myths or faked gametrailers comparison videos etc like you have been... They have all been long since discredited and it just makes you look desperate.
     
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    I prefer my 360 over any console I own. End of story.
     
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    Aiyan Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Now, how hard is that to do? :p There you have one proof of what we have been telling the whole time, PS3 and x360 have benefits and minuses. There you showed me that the blu-ray drive speed is overall slightly better then x360's dvd drive speed.

    But that begs the question that most people have been asking, how come in most games then are on same consoles x360 load faster? I'm starting to wonder if the hardrive itself is better on xbox then, since I know of one game where x360 got a bad port from PS3. Final Fantasy 13, the game itself was playable - but I completed it on my ps3.

    Comparison movies is very viable, it shows the fact that there is not much difference between ps3 and xbox 360 at all. There is some minor benefits on both over each other. Which you DONT want to see or accept.

    So like NYC said: I prefere my xbox360 over any consoles I own, why - simply because I like it overall better. Do I hate PS3, hell no - it's a reason why I have it. I just don't like people that ignores every bit of what we write, trolls and act like a hardcore fanboy with no realismn in him.

    As you see on those charts, you see you have contradicted yourself in almost every saying you have done. You finally got right about the blu-ray saying, yet its the thread itself was a bit contraversial.
     
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    :eek: say it isnt so, mgillespie says that europe hates the xbox and since he says it you know its true yet here you are, someone from europe, openly stating that you prefer the xbox 360, is that even possible that mgillespie could be wrong? :cool:

    man oh man, i dont know how i can continue, my whole world and everything i based it off of seem to be crumbling down... :rolleyes:
     
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    You nailed that right there. The PERCEPTION is that most games load faster on 360. You don't have hard facts or numbers, just what you believe.

    Do you have numbers of titles?
    Do you have the difference in speed?

    No, you just go by what you read somewhere on some random Internet blog. Guess what the ONLY source of income from the very same blogs like Joystiq, Kotaku, Eurogamer etc is? Advertising. They have to keep their advertisers happy, it's their ONLY source of income.

    For many years Microsoft have been paying big bucks to American blogs, with backroom gentlemens agreements to feature their console over their competitors. Of course the gaming press play Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft off against each other to an extent, but at the end of the day, American console, American bloggers, American company with American dollars always wins..

    What I am saying is, you mostly see comparisons when it favors the Xbox. When the PS3 is better/faster/more featured, things are mostly brushed under the carpet for fear of upsetting the big site sponsor, and only really when they can't get away with things will they report it as is is (FinalFantasy Xbox vs PS3 springs to mind, and even then the vast differences were played down quite alot).

    It's unfortunate that America is so oblivious to all this, as it's part of normal way of life to them, it's only in countries where you have rules and legislation to prevent this corporate dishonesty, is the few places you can see it.
     
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    I'd say that PS3 stands out because of it's blu-ray capabilities and it's cell processor but the cell processor has long been discontinued by IBM.

    The determining factor for me was always the game library. Back when Sony was the powerhouse before the original Xbox came around they had the best games on the best console available. Now, I like the 360's game library a bit more. One may argue that a majority of titles go cross-platform but there are many that don't as well. Ultimately, it's the games that are sold that make/break the console.

    For example, in my personal opinion.. the only good worthwhile exclusives that Sony PS3 currently have are Metal Gear Solid (series), Uncharted, God of War (series), and Gran Turismo (series).

    With the 360, my personal favorites are Forza (series), Gears of War (series), Fable (series), Splinter Cell: Conviction, Alan Wake, and Mass Effect (series). As you can clearly see.. each console has very good exclusives and competition from the opposing console in each genre that is released.

    Competition can only breed better products going forward. I welcome it with open arms and hope that it continues because it only means better things for us in the future.
     
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  8. mgillespie

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    Please stop with your internet myths. You are starting to sound like someone that believes everything they are told without question.

    IBM have not stopped Cell processor development

    We managed to get hold of an IBM spokesperson an hour ago and they said that only one CPU development cycle is being 'halted' which is the successor to the current PowerXCell-8i cpu. IBM have said they are planning to work on other CPU's in the Cell Processor 'family' and we would assume that by the time the Playstation 4 hits market that they could very well be involved on some level.

    Which is why Sony have 37 studios making PS3 and PSP exclusives, the Xbox list looks rather sad by comparison

    Whilst you listed a couple of PS3 exclusives, Metal Gear Solid (series), Uncharted(series), God of War (series), and Gran Turismo (series) there are a WHOLE lot more.

    HeavyRain makes Alan Wake look like a total Joke.
    Killzone2 makes Gears look and play last-generation
    Splinter Cell: Conviction is a poor-mans MAG

    There are plenty of other great Playstion-only franchises, Motorstorm, Resistance, Infamous, Ratchet & Clank, SOCOM, Warhawk, LittleBigPlanet, Singstar, Buzz and much more, (a full list here: Category:playStation 3-only games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    None of these will ever been seen on anything but Playstation, as Sony own or partially own all these studios. Microsoft however have very little other than a couple of studios and some timed exclusivity agreements. MassEffect and Spliter Cell are all but cornfirmed to be heading to PS3, Gears of War may also be headed that way.

    Valve have already caved in and done a massive about turn in public over their opinion of the PS3 (Portal2 and Steam is coming to PS3, and "will be the best version" in gabes own words), the others will follow. It's where the long-term money is.

    For a while is was very fashionable to rag on the PS3, Microsoft's marketing machine ensured that stayed true for a very long time, however it's now VERY hard to ignore, you for the same priced as the Xbox (after adding in all the hidden Xbox extras), you can get a better built PS3, with better specs including Blu-Ray, HDMI 1.3, 7.1 audio a proper upscaling DVD player, DLNA media client, web browser, iPlayer, VidZone etc etc etc. ALL FOR FREE.
     
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    I also Laughed when you claimed "Back when Sony was the powerhouse before the original Xbox came around they had the best games on the best console available."

    They still have the best consoles, and the best games, they also sold a damn sight more consoles than Microsoft sold last year and this year too.

    This year so far worldwide?
    Microsoft 3,3m consoles (Xbox)
    Sony 8.7m consoles (PS3 =4.4m, PSP=3m, PS2=1.1m)

    2009 Worldwide
    Microsoft 10,2m consoles (Xbox)
    Sony 27.5m consoles (PS3 =12.5m, PSP=10.1m, PS2=4.9m)

    Take PS3 and Xbox, Sony have shifted 1.1m more consoles this year so far (and 2m last year), take Sony as a whole across PS3/PSP and PS2, and Sony have totally outclassed anything Microsoft have done this year, last year, and every year. To even suggest Sony or Playstation is not the dominant brand is just plain silly. (or desperate)

    Source:
    http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly.php?date=2010&reg=World&date=2009
    http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly.php?date=2010&reg=World&date=2010

    Of course you might be talking from a software perspective, but may I suggest you don't go there either... (but Nintendo makes both Sony and Microsoft look shameful)

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Jeted

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    You do realize that link you just gave out shows that xbox360 have more games sold for their consoles in overall matter, that ps3 is almost behind in every game of the same branch.

    See MW2 on ps3 and xbox360, ps3 is almost beaten by 3 millions copies sold. What you said, shows how invalid your words are. It means even though PS3 sells more consoles, xbox 360 yet alone sells more games.

    If x360 wasn't popular as your claims, then it would been seen in games as well. Giving claims on preferences will never work either. Redo you argument son, those is too easy pick apart.
     
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    What you consider is a good exclusive and what I consider a good exclusive are two different things entirely. I did clearly write that it was my personal opinion. Just as you constantly state yours, I had stated mine.
     
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    Sorry that is pure crap. Xbox may sell well in a particular genre of game (shooter), but that is not something to boast about. It just means there is little else to choose from and that Xbox owners just flock in larger numbers to a smaller selection of games (usually just MW, Halo and Gears)

    I see you have avoided the main part of my post, and desperately tried to find a glimmer of hope is a sea of despair. I also demonstrated that on a whole ACROSS ALL GAMES, PS3 sells more games too. Sure you can pick out individual titles that sell better (or worse) on a particular platform.

    An example, the very same list shows that Final Fantasy XIII has sold 3m MORE copies on PS3 than on Xbox. The difference is, I was not desperate enough to have to use that point as an example.
     
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    X360 yearly: 113,624,072(0%) overall: 317,025,635(8.56)
    PS3 yearly: 92,103,286(+13%) overall: 203,674,169(6.55)

    If we look on hardware, PS3 is above x360 again.

    Software count: More games sold at x360 then ps3.

    Easy enough. :p
     
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    Nintendo does not allow many 3rd party companies for the Wii so of course they are going to sell more games where as the PS3 and 360 relay on 3rd party companies for a lot of their games.

    Also Nintendo has many different systems to market to and sell too, as does the Sony. Microsoft has 1 so there for is another reason why other companies should sell more software then Microsoft.

    I have all 3 systems, I hate the Wii, we just have it because my wife likes it, I just got a PS3 in a trade and I've been trying it out, but I would rather have a 360 to game on. I stated all my reason's in the other thread and don't feel like posting them again.
     
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    Cheers for posting, Soul. Much appreciated explenations, what I wanted to show with those topics is that numbers can be showing a fake truth. Everything can be abused to look more correct in people's eyes.

    As long as we are normal users all of us, we can't really do much about those numbers. If you had knowledge and critical sources like lots of text books to make critics like this. Then I would love to agree with you, but as you don't have correct sources or right knowledge. This battle will of preferences, what we like.

    You like PS3 and think that's the best consol, fair. NYCHitman1 like x360 better for the games and console, fair. Presuming and throwing opinions at others and flame them afterwards is not critical thinking or using sources right. You can pull up forum posts and webpages here and there, but unless you start using 3-5 text books that cover each of the points you are trying to make, its invalid.

    So let this be opinion based fight and not some so called "resource" fight that neither sides have any idea of how it works, you might think you know how ps3 and x360 is built up... but man even G. Bush thought he knew how to rule a country, you saw what happened?

    I like xbox360 better because of better exclusive games, Gears of War/Halo/x360 Live Arcade/Alan Wake is more appealing for me then the games at PS3 at the moment.
     
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    per IGN ratings:

    Mag - 7, Splintercell Conviction - 9.3 :eek:

    pretty sure MAG isnt supposed to be a stealth game either so even your comparison is an idiots argument

    Killzone 2 - 9.4, Gears 1 got 9.4 and Gears 2 got a 9.5 :rolleyes:

    Heavy Rain - 9, Alan Wake - 9...

    So mgillespie, care to try again? :D

    You forget all the things that MS does publish that wont go to PS3, or that MS managed to snag a ton of titles that used to be only on PS and get them for the 360. Your argument that FF sold more games on PS3 than the 360 is stupid, FF is immensely popular in Japan, you know, a country in which the PS3 completely dominates in ownership.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the PS3, I am actually trying to pick one up this summer for some of the titles like Uncharted, Infamous, God of War, but when it comes down to it you are a blind fan boy whose hatred of MS is easily seen by anyone. The only other people I have seen rigorously defend their preferred product of choice are the apple cults, yep, i just compared you to a steve jobs follower when it comes to your ridiculously close minded and ultimately biased fanboy attacks against the 360 in favor of your precious PS3.

    :)
     
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    If you must carry on this futile "mine-is-better-than-yours" argument, at least do it in a civil manner, please. Any further insults or insinuations will be dealt with under the Zero-Tolerance Policy.
     
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    Lol, when did I ever attack the PS3? I only attacked him verbally due to his lack of understanding that he can't possibly think that his opinion is greater than everyone else. Continually, I have stated that this was entirely all about preference and mine is with 360.
     
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    Sorry about that hitman, I wrote the sentence bit wrong. Didn't meant you were attacking, should have made the post more clear. :)

    But I do agree with each for their own preferences and opinions though. :)
     
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    I personally dont know the stats, figures and numbers of sales, exclusives and feature titles. I have NO care.

    I have played both and am much happier to have been talked into getting the XBOX 360 first (i might get a PS3 to game with friends).

    The experience (for me) on my box has been great. this is why:
    -hard wired headset SMOKES the bluetooth i used. people didnt sound like robots and things didnt get cutoff..
    -controller (yeah yeah the "have to get used to it" argument is old and stale.)
    -dashboard (the feel is more friendly and doesnt have 10 sub menus to scroll thru)
    -XBOX Live (yeah i paid $50 a year. psn+ is going to charge $44 when my friends thought they would NEVER have to pay for better servers)
    ...i brought up live because i played MW2 at my friends house last night and the experience was HORRIBLE. constantly connecting to different servers, ruining the game. and this isnt just a MW thing. his NHL drops games a bit. and its NOT his connection. also yes there are the loud mouths on Live, we all know it, BUT at least in game there is talk and cooperation going on. such a higher percent of people ACTUALLY TALK on live in my experiences. i have met and made friends in my gaming...
    -Chat (not positive but i dont think ps has cross gaming chat, heard psn+ i thought)
    -load times (dumb, but comparing trophies vs. compare games is a joke. honestly u have to sit and watch a stupid spinning icon while a trophy loads vs. pretty instant comparison list. the other menus are faster on the xbox too. yes the dashboard lags sometimes itself but the PS (to me) feels clumsy.
    -Avatars/personal feel (yeah Avatars are kinda dumb and who cares if the idea was stolen. i love to dress them up and change them whenever i want. profiles are nice cause u can *usually see where someone is from and a self generated BIO that says something about what kind of person you are gaming against. funny/noob/doesnt care/wanna be hacker/code of conduct... kinda sums it up.

    that why I enjoy my xbox more amongst other things..

    yes yes i know the faults of the box too. MS points make me crosseyed to start! but to say the PS3 is BETTER is just not true. points to the great fanboyism. i really am starting to HATE that word with passion.

    thats my .02

    if u dont like it that A-OK with me, just dont comment on my rant and point out factual errors or specs or figures. I DONT CARE (in the nicest way possible)

    and to infuriate more ps guys (not intentionally) i feel very strongly that there are better players on the xbox (at least MW and NHL 10).

    thats all. and hey, we're all gamers here... lets just get along, thats free for all!!

    Gamertag: MerlensMagic (Bio says a lot about me)
     
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    My mistake, bud. I misunderstood what you were saying then. Continue :)
     
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    PS+ is not about better servers. PS3 exclusives already use dedicated servers (faster than the Peer-Peer crap that Xbox Live uses, that slows to the slowest player).

    PS+ is about CONTENT. Your $44 gets you 4 games a month for free, 48 a year, plus discounts on other PSN content, exclusive themes and firmware features unlocked (autoupdates of games and firmware currently).

    As for Trophies, the PS3 Trophy system is MUCH better than the Microsoft Gamerscore, which only tells you how many points you have, if you have lots of cash, you can get get lots of easy achievements, non of the hard ones, it does not differentiate between a gamer with lots of games and a GOOD gamer with fewer games. The PS3 Trophy system does differentiate, you have the same global score (a "level" of skill on PS3), but you also have it broken down by Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum (getting every trophy in the game, and only full disc-games). You can instantly see if someone is a proper gamer, or just got lots of Bronze trophies.
     
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    It's a shame that PSN+ doesn't add cross-game chat. I'm sure PS3 users in general would like to have this added with all the other features that come along with PSN+.
     
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    It has cross-game chat just fine thanks it also have video party chat too. Have you been locked in a room since 2006 and believe everything you heard about PS3 back then? Try doing some research rather than relying on everything you read on the Internet and believing it's totally gospel truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXYxEIU5e_M

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HueBb_IU-3A&feature=related
     
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    Perhaps I should've been a little more specific, I was referring to VOICE chat. Thank you for educating me that the PS3 can cross-game chat via text but that's not what I meant.

    On the other hand, why is it that you take everything everyone says in reference to PS3 with such hostility?
     
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