Questions about the brand new leaked 2.1General


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  1. djkoz78

    djkoz78 Member This Topic's Starter

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    So I'm a nOob in fact this is my 1st post on this forum. Ok I have several questions so please bare with me. with me.
    1: Does flashing the 2.1 also void your warranty & will you still receive the OTA version if doing so I read the rooting forum at the top about this & it only mentions that If you root & make drastic changes to the read the forum at the top about this & it only mention that If you root & make drastic changes to the core system then maybe, but nothing about flashing.
    2: I also read somewhere that even if u root & voids your warranty that when the OTA comes it does a complete system wipe & returns it to factory 2.1 & VWZ would be none the wiser. Is this true?
    3: The brand new leaked 2.1 update that just came out a few days ago do you have to root that or is that just the flash version? Can I just flash 2.1(brand new version) but if doing so will I be able to return to my stock 1.5 if I back up the whole system if I feel rooting was the better method to go with?
    4: How do u back up the stock 1.5 Rom or make a recovery image?
    5: Last question is a root version coming out for the brand new leaked 2.1?
    I'm sorry for the long post I'm just trying make my questions as clear as possible. I'm just essentially wanting the 2.1 update to have the new features & fix all the bugs that come with 1.5 donut. But I'm afraid if I do flash or root I'm not gonna be able to get the official OTA 2.1. I'm not going to change anything to the core system other than updating 2.1 @ least not until I become more familiar with how to do it. Thanks for everyone's hard work on this site. And I hope by asking all these questions it may help someone else by reading the answers. Thanks again. DjKoZ78
     

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  2. Romparoo

    Romparoo Well-Known Member

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    Alright, I am not a tech expert but have learned a great deal from those on here,

    2.1v3 is the way you want to go if you don't want to root.

    1.5 can not be "backed up" and you can not go back to it if you load 2.1 (any of the 3 versions, however there is someone in one of the post that has a cousin that can do this and is working on getting the instructions over to the Devs (developers) to see if this is true).

    1.5, you can return to this if you Root your phone, http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-eris/53963-guide-stock-1-5-latest-root-2-1-a.html

    Yes your warranty may/can/will be void if you do any of this.

    2.1 root, they are working on it.

    As for the OTA, I am not completely positive if you/we/those who have rooted/upgraded to leak, will get the OTA. Usually if they don't then Verizon/HTC will provide a website link to download it from, so no need to worry.

    So, I just summarized and saved you from reading a bunch of threads and posts.

    If you are for some reason wanting to have the capability to go back to 1.5, then go the Root route, or if you want to have root access. If not, then 2.1v3 is the way to go.

    I do not regret going to 2.1v3 :)
     
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    djkoz78 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Thanks a lot u answered every question I needed..

    BTW to fussgeist I have read a lot the forums secondly I never read a real clear answer on some of these questions. Lastly I did try to space but as I'm posting this from my phone it didn't turn out the way it looked on my phone.

    Also did u really need to use your douche bag powers to post in this thread all bc u didn't like my questions?

    To Ramparoo super thanks again on the OTA answer about flashing not being sure if I would get the OTA was my only hold up.

    I have another question that just dawned on me even though u my flash the 2.1 v3 leak u can still flash the OTA when It comes is what you were saying?
     
  4. Romparoo

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    That should be correct. It should work just the same way as the leak. When the Moto Droid upgraded to 2.1 a month ago, there was a delay with OTA so Verizon listed the 2.1 file for download. Engadget, or Gizmod, had it posted, I just did a Google search for it to show you the link but I could not find it.

    Like I said, I am not an expert, just telling you what I have learned from the others on here. I am sure someone can confirm/deny what I am telling you.
     
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    djkoz78 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Thanks again I'm gonna take the plunge.
     
  6. smacky

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    Nah, man. Root. Don't flash 2.1.
     
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    I would probably agree. I have never rooted anything before so I can't tell you how that is. I would like to be rooted so I can uninstall some of the worthless apps that are on my phone taking up space.
     
  8. erisuser1

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    Or, to put it differently, choose the path that preserves all of your options - which is to say, root.

    You can convert to leak from root, but the reverse is not true.. there is a finite chance that leakers may never get root.

    eu1
     
  9. smacky

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    How can you say that? Do you know what the hold up is on the devs not finding exploits on 2.1? Are they waiting for the final product of 2.1 so their efforts aren't for naught, or have they simply given up because no one cares anymore?
     
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    (Note to djkoz78 : smacky is asking about my second sentence - I think the two of us are in complete agreement that "root" is a more pragmatic choice than "leak")

    smacky -

    I don't claim to speak for any of the devs, but here's my observations:

    1) There is a S-OFF bootloader "in the wild".
    2) New users to the Eris have "root" readily available to them.
    3) The average handset user in the US keeps their phone only 2 years
    4) The enthusiast fraction of Eris users are now splintered across three or four different kernels.
    5) New Android phones - putative replacements for the Eris - are becoming available from VZW
    6) Enthusiasts generally like new phones.
    6) People get exhausted/disillusioned by unrelenting failures.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say "no one cares anymore", but things which produce the same effect are taking place on several fronts.

    I think that some percentage of devs are in the game to produce customizations: aesthetic or feature-set related customizations (or both). For them, "root" is just a means to an end - it doesn't matter how they achieve it.

    During the "unrooted" phase following a new phone's release, all the devs will pitch in to help crack the phone. That's a practical matter - they don't see a real point in working on customizations until it is clear that some means to flash ROM partitions is in hand. But once that capability is achieved, most of them go on to do customization (or cooking) work.

    By virtue of the S-OFF (Engineering) bootloader (very likely released by a HTC or Verizon employee, BTW), the "getting root" obstacle was conveniently removed, freeing the devs to do customization work - their original goal. That has the effect of reducing the effort at finding exploits - there's only so many cycles available in a day, after all.

    If you have followed the XDA Eris dev forum for a while - you'll come to the conclusion that there are only a very small number of devs who are "publishing" ROMs. I would hazard a guess that there are even fewer devs who are continuing to energetically work on root exploits. Probably none of them are devoting even 25% of their effort at kernel exploits.

    Add to that the observation that no new "highly motivated" Eris owners are joining the ranks (anyone that wants to fool around with root can easily do so with much less effort than finding an exploit on their own).

    Combine this with developer burn-out, and the fracturing of userland into four different kernels (1 1.5 kernel and 3 2.1 kernels) which are presumably being exploit-patched with each release... well, you see where I'm going with this. Other than the discovery of linux kernel exploits by others (linux kernel security researchers, not Eris devs), the march of time does not seem to favor positive outcomes.

    The odd thing about "getting root" is that you can not measure progress towards that goal: everything is a failure up until the moment of success, and in theory, there are (practically) an infinite number of possible approaches that could be attempted to gain an exploit. So, it is impossible to say whether you will succeed even if you know exactly how much time and effort you can spend in the attempts.


    That's the way I see it - but I hope I am wrong.

    eu1
     

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