Quick Question (OTA 2.2 after new method)


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  1. paintmoonsred

    paintmoonsred Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Okay this may be really redundant BUT
    I have a fast question, as this was my first time rooting.

    If I apply the OTA 2.2 update, will I still have root since I used unrevoked forever? Or will I have to redo the whole thing?

    Equally important: Will clockwork still be there so I can flash custom roms?

    Again this is likely something that's been answered. If so, feel free to close/merge/delete.

    Thanks!
     

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  2. novox77

    novox77 Leeeroy Jennnkinnns! VIP Member

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    If you apply the OTA update, you will lose root, but you can get it back by manually flashing a recovery image, and then reflashing a ROM. Why bother. Just stick with rooted stock 2.2 rom.
     
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  3. uminchu

    uminchu Well-Known Member

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    If I understand correctly, Unrevoked Forever enables you to run OTAs and still retain unlocked nand, regardless of exploit patches. Therefore (hypothetically), should Sprint release Gingerbread for the Evo, you should be able upgrade via OTA without having to worry about losing your ability to backup, restore and/or flash ROMs. Personally, that all sounds fine and good, but I'm not installing any OTAs; I prefer to wait a day or two for a rooted ROM. I was running Eclair on my Hero weeks (months?) before Sprintsent it out via OTA, and we were running Froyo before the OTA also.
     
  4. Babbit

    Babbit Well-Known Member

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    Along those same lines, if for example Sprint releases an small OTA update that fixes some random bug, is flashing an updated rooted Rom the only way the get the update? Does that mean you have to backup and reinstall all your apps every time you want to install an update? Thanks.
     
  5. novox77

    novox77 Leeeroy Jennnkinnns! VIP Member

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    Yes, once you're rooted, you flash rooted versions of stock updates in order to update your phone.

    Yes, you will have to backup/restore/reinstall apps every time you flash a ROM, even an update. Fortunately, we don't get updates once a week. I would think between now and gingerbread in October, there may be 1 update.
     
  6. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

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    For all you new rooters -and you guys asking the excellent question in this thread.

    The question's been answered, but now a commercial -

    Titanium Backup is your new best friend!

    Even though you should have by now a nice nandroid backup - go here, follow instructions carefully, not casually, and make a Titanium Backup - http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-support-troubleshooting/141369-how-fix-froyo.html

    You'll find you can backup your apps - your accounts, your HTC desktop scheme - all the good stuff - with Titanium Backup.

    Give a few practice spins - here's the deal:
    • Titanium Backup, free, gives you a one deep backup
    • I'm giving advice pertinent to that -
    • But also - this is a super great strategy if you pony up a donation and go full Titanium Backup (giving you more than one level)
    • A level is not just one collection of things - its a collection of single-type things - here's what you do with the How-to-fix-Froyo advice - it'll become clearer reading it and trying it, but here's the overview -
    • first, backup your user apps
    • next, back up, one by one, those critical extras I point out in the How-to thread
    • the apps will be one level deep - the accounts and other settings like your desktop will also be that same one level deep
    • when an update comes out, wait a few hours or less than a day, get it rooted
    • wipe your phone, install it, lose all your stuff
    • start phone, enter gmail id - skip all other setup steps
    • goto Market, get Titanium Backup
    • tap Problems button, get new Busybox
    • set up dummy desktop - a quirk, explained in how-to-fix
    • goto to Titanium Backup, batch restore - apps+system data
    • DONE! your phone's like before!
    • stay in Titanium Backup - one by one - remove any bloatware you don't want (if using stock rooted rom)

    With a little practice - you'll find you can almost do this in your sleep!

    From time to time - throw a batch update of your apps - it won't affect your saved settings. From time to time, throw a backup of your desktop or whatever - it won't affect your saved apps.

    Nandroid protects your whole installation - Titanium Backup protects your configuration in the face of updates.

    And - fwiw - my strong opinion - back up your sd card from time to time to your PC, just as How-to-fix-Froyo recommends.

    With this approach, you'll find you've protected your investment in your time to root.

    In my opinion - hope this helps!

    PS - With each update, at least one widget breaks and needs re-installing. Following my advice above with the stock rooted rom for 2.2 (yadda.6) - you'll need to reinstall the Google search widget and the Power Control (Android) widget. Broken widget vary by update number, I've not figured it out (in .3 I think it was the voicemail widget, in 2.1 it was something else) - but those are very minor quirks.

    AND - this is most important - any backup / restore advice steps you find missing in How-to-fix-Froyo - post somewhere, or in that thread, and I'll get it into the first post.

    That's a living thread, a living post, and it belongs to the community - I don't argue, I add, I'm just the editor. Many thanks in advance for helping to keep that thread - our thread - up to date.

    PPS - Regarding custom kernels - those usually require a data / dalvik wipe. If you learn to enjoy playing around with various kernels, that how-to restore advice will come in mighty handy. That's exactly the reason I use it so much myself!
     
  7. paintmoonsred

    paintmoonsred Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    I think I've read too much now haha I've gotten a little confused- does this mean the update will not be found by your phone at all, or can you flash to stock rom and then get updates from there? Or does the simple fact of having root make it impossible to get normal updates?
     
  8. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

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    Bookmark this -

    HTC Supersonic/ROMs - XDA-Developers

    Whenever you hear of an update - look there. You'll find a rooted version usually within hours, or a day, for the stock rooted rom.

    You'll also find that's kept up date for custom roms - in my limited checking of it.

    Get whatever update you care about (stock or custom), send to your sdcard, follow recovery screen to update from zip file on sdcard - follow advice in my post above to re-get your configuration.

    Anyway - that's how I've been handling it.

    (Feel free to post back if I'm not helping with the confusion - not trying to hijack.)
     

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