Rooting and Jailbreaking Illegal? Huh? What?

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  1. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

  2. B2L

    B2L Well-Known Member

    My only comment is that everyone should spread the petition link around. I didn't pay $700 for my phone to have someone tell me what I can or can't do with it.
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  3. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Once can argue that, perhaps. Not sure what rights you or I have, but much of the Jailbreaking and rooting scene is based on the idea that it is unquestionably legal. Should the DMCA Exception/ruling expire, not sure how many people will accept it and stop rooting or Jailbreaking.

    I wont, and that puts my strong opinions about copyright in jeopardy. Can't hammer someone for illegal DLs if I am doing something "illegal."

    As it is now, the DMCA ruling does not mention iPads because they did not exist at the time of the ruling. Many say it applies but I say specific wording and language makes a difference in the court room.
  4. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    I don't know about iPhones, but I'd like to see them somehow defend what they're trying to do when what's at issue for Android is admistrator access to a Linux system that I own outright.

    Corporate greed kills me, I mean it really does.

    All under the guise of the DCMA - the law meant to protect consumers and suppliers alike or so they told us.

    As many of us have long warned, the DCMA protects only special interests.

    Mark my words, they want our devices locked down because they all hate net neutrality. If they can our devices locked down, and shut down every site providing basic freedom, then they've got us.

    Then the internet can go away, and we'll have VerizonNet,, ComcastNetcast, etc etc etc - that is their true end game here.

    This post is neither alarmist nor exaggerated. I've been warning of these trends for some time, and I am hating being right. :(
  5. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I never consider your posts alarmist or exaggerated, Early. And I hate you being right, too.

    I have always wondered about what happens when the LOC once again must make a decision in this case. Will he/she capitulate and simply say OK to Apple or stand firm and say no.

    I am often told that Jailbreaking an iPad is legal; they cite the LOC/DMCA rulings to prove it. Then I am reminded that the iPad was not mentioned and others say that does not matter. I maintain that in court, decisions can hinge on a misplaced comma and there is no reason to believe that the courts will assume that the ruling also includes iPads.

    Or Android Tablets for that matter.

    Perhaps I am a fool and really do not know much.

    So what happens if the ruling is pulled and the LOC says Jailbreaking and rooting is a copyright violation?
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  6. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    More of us just have to keep being vocal. I've also been warning and spreading the word and it finally seems to be sinking in. The SOPA protest raised awareness quite a bit, and I had people asking me about SOPA/PIPA for the first time at work and other places, and I was genuinely surprised. We just have to keep pushing.
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  7. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    I think you know that I think you're no one's fool.

    And I agree, the law deals in details, so the exact wording is important. The purpose of law is justice and its mechanism is dispassion; without exact detail, dispassion is lost.

    If the ruling is pulled, then we must all stand together and fight this, supporting those who would go to court on our behalf.


    Why and how we moved into an era where our own government is trying to take it from us rather than protect us escapes me, but we've survived the trend before in our history, and now we'll have to fight again so we survive the threats again.
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  8. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

    Please stop by the EFF website's News page and join the electronic petition to get the US Copyright office to renew this ruling. Thank you. :)
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  9. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Could also be the carriers not wanting jailbreak/rooting. Don't know about Apple, but it seems a lot of android users root to get rid of carrier bloatware which can make the carriers money since phone sales never tells a buyer that you have to shut down some auto-updating. FB comes to mind. You have to come to fora like this to get the info.

    Long as I can get the info on rooting - I intend to keep doing it.
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  10. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

    Might it not be a good idea to post this issue under the All Things Root threads of each device? I'm guessing there are users who never come to the Lounge, but have a presence in much larger numbers on the root threads. I was going to do so in a couple of the threads I visit, until I saw this thread. I don't want to post something in the 'wrong place', but I feel this issue is very important to have it spread to as many people as will listen.
  11. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

  12. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    We tend to not like having subjects spammed.

    And we hope that all Android users not only enjoy our site variety, but will know to come out from under adb and Superuser to see if there are issues affecting them.

    By rights, this belongs in the Politics and Current Affairs forum, but I'm leaving it here for the time being so that it does gain a tad more exposure first.

    And I think I'll change the title a wee bit to get others on notice that this isn't just an iIssue.
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  13. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    By the way, if rooters don't read our Lounge posts, I would hope that they at least read our sister news blog, who reported this yesterday -

    Will Rooting Your Smartphone Soon Be Illegal? Not If We Can Stop It!

  14. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    And there's the rub.
  15. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

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  16. tripdoc79

    tripdoc79 Well-Known Member

    EFF petitioning to extend legal protection for jailbreaking phones and tablets | The Verge

    if you have a few minutes please take action and keep this clause alive. You as the consumer have the right to do whatever you wish with the products you pay for. There is no "Ownership" if someone can tell you how and how not to use the devices you buy. Most of these phones, tablets, etc.. cost more than my first car.. and your damn right i do what i want with them. Restricting the use of such devices only hinders innovation which is, has and will continue to be the backbone of society.
  17. BrandonOptimus

    BrandonOptimus Well-Known Member

    As one guy said. I bought it, therefore I can do what I want with it :D same goes for mostly everything in the real world. Jailbreaking should be made legal :D Its our phone. Why should they care? ;)
  18. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

    By all means, edit and relocate as you see fit. :) My only goal was to help get the word out.

    I am not an overly community oriented person, and certainly don't ever want to be mistaken as a spammer. But there is wisdom in what you said. I must admit that at least for me, I tend to seek specific solutions on these forums and don't 'hang out' here much. As such, visiting the lounge hasn't been appealing to me. But you are right. We who tend to tunnel vision our way through here for solutions would do well to pop up and look around now and then, if for no other reason than just to watch out for storm clouds on the horizon. :) As it is, I learned about this legal issue elsewhere, and wanted to share it with you good folks who have helped me solve many a problem and push my devices to their best potential.

    I'll start checking the lounge now and then as part of my routine here. Thanks.
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  19. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member


    Rather than posting something like this in the Current Events and Politics topic, could there be a 'non-politics oriented' topic for these kinds of important current events? It being an election year, and how much I detest mudslinging politics, I would like not to have to slog through threads of that just to discover important news like this issue. :)
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  20. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    Friend of mine came to me for help with a phone he bought in Hong Kong, because the Facebook junk on his phone was killing the battery life. Only way to remove the FB stuff was to root it.
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  21. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Never mind battery - how about data charges? Posts all over cell phone fora about social type apps using data when they shouldn't be. Push ads would use data, too.
    You don't use data - the carrier doesn't make money by overages or a larger data plan
  22. AndyOpie150

    AndyOpie150 <strong> <a href=" Contributor

    The problem isn't the rooting or jailbreaking, it's what people do with them after the fact. Some like to steel Data from the carriers, which is how the carrier makes it's money.
    This is why the carriers don't want people to root their phones.
  23. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

    I see a parallel between rooting and the mute button on a TV remote, which I frequently use to block the annoying sound of many of today's even more annoying product commercials. Next the special interest groups will want to outlaw muting TVs and blinking while sitting in front of one.
  24. jerofld

    jerofld Fixing stuff is not easy VIP Member

  25. Zoandroid

    Zoandroid Well-Known Member

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