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Samsung just handed all their competitors an opportunityGeneral

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  1. omnius

    omnius Well-Known Member

    Well looks like Sammy just pulled an Apple with the S4. Samsung are not Apple, they can't afford to pull a "same old same old" because they're not the only Android maker, while Apple are the only iPhone maker.

    By launching what is basically nothing more than just a spec refresh of the older GS3 with a few touchwiz gimmicks, Samsung just handed every other Android OEM, Apple, MS, and Blackberry a golden opportunity to attract buyers to something more unique and different. Both Motorola and HTC learned the hard way after their initial popularity with Android fell due to not maintaining their momentum. It seems that being the most popular Android OEM has a very short lifespan, and now it's looking like this is the beginning of the end for Samsung's turn at the top. There's already a ton of "I'm not impressed" buzz from this launch everywhere you look.

    I'm actually glad this happened. Samsung haven't been going in a good direction with Android and it's time for companies who are willing to put more effort into it to balance out the marketshare.

  2. people said the same thing with S3, look how it turn out.
  3. iowabowtech

    iowabowtech root@android:/ #

    Idk, I think this phone will have a strong release when it's all said and done. It may not impress some GS3 users, but a lot of people coming off 2 year contracts will view it as full of win. And maybe so much has been done to improve the devices over the last few years that the incremental gains will seem less to many consumers. Just a thought.
  4. Gearu

    Gearu Well-Known Member

    They ARE bringing something different- Other than the odd LG phone, they're the only ones still delivering a physical home key, and putting the back+menu buttons on the same sides they always have - it's everyone else who's left this party.

    At least the camera has been upped, last year I thought Apple would stuff a 10mpx unit in the iphone 5 to get an edge but they didn't for some reason.

    I have faith in the 2600mah battery, 2100 wasn't suitable for the S3 and 1650 not suitable for the S2, but this should be a bit more than enough.
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  5. DragonSlayer95

    DragonSlayer95 Resident Air Bender Moderator

    As said a couple posts up, for current s3 owners, I don't think the s4 would be worth paying to upgrade early or even paying full price, probably $800 for it once it launches. Like me, I'm very satisfied with my s3 and probably won't even look into purchasing the s4.

    That's unless you feel you need to have the latest and greatest of everything.

    But for owners of the s2 or the likes, it would definitely be worth the upgrade I'm sure.

    I do like that it kept the physical home button, that's my favorite design feature on my s3.

    I didn't see the unveil video, read a lot of feedback on here and it is a disappointment that only physical thing that changed was the screen being enlarged to 5".

    Soon enough its going to be as big as the OG Note, which would turn me off from buying it. 4.8" is a perfect fit for me, any bigger than 5" would just be pushing it.

    I could see this being a big seller, but probably not as big as the s3 was though.
  6. Sandroidfan

    Sandroidfan Well-Known Member

    Early samples from GS4 camera are popping up and it looks pretty impressive. Seems it's handily beating iPhone5 camera quality. GS4 screen sharpness got improved not only in resolution but in diamond-matrix compared pentile of GS3. GS3 didn't exactly wow us on screen, camera quality.
  7. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    The screen size is larger, but the phone is not. It's actually even slightly narrower.
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  8. DragonSlayer95

    DragonSlayer95 Resident Air Bender Moderator

    Ahh okay, I'm just going on feedback I've read from posts here, haven't looked at official specs of it yet.

    Just not excited about it :p
  9. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    It's a nice spec bump update, but that's all it is, which is what I expected. Making it narrower was actually best thing for me (small hands).

    I'll await real world tests and real user experience in a range of conditions and use patterns. Specs in themselves aren't important, it's how the package works together.
  10. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER AF Addict VIP Member

    I think Samsung was smart. All the specs that could be improved, they did. They added some more features to Touchwiz which will sell well with the mainstream public. But the S3 if I'm not mistaken is the bestselling Android phone of all time... I don't see a huge reason to get away from that on their part.
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  11. davoid

    davoid Well-Known Member

    I agree. I like the physical home button.

    I don't think it will get any bigger. I think phone screen sizes have reached their optimum dimensions and resolution. 1080p in 5 inches is great, but people don't want physically larger screens than that. Apple in their arrogance believed they knew what people wanted and that it was a smaller screen, until they saw their customers jumping ship in droves. I doubt Samsung would make the same mistake, and they will settle on the 5" optimum. However, it means that each refresh cycle is going to be less impressively different, physical design-wise. It is ergonomics, after all, which evolves to an optimum. I think the s5 is going to be maybe even less impressive again. I think they will probably turn to energy efficiency from now on as a design direction. I like the upgrade to a 2600 mAh battery. That is a significant improvement to my mind.

    I see the phone evolution as similar to that of the car. Steering wheel and seat sizes won't increase in size, but the engines will become more efficient, the profiles more streamlined, and materials more durable. New cars look pretty much like the ones they replace, once the basic design has become optimized.

    Yes, most of the specs that could be improved, they did. I don't think there can be much to complain about with this iteration. The International S3 had only 1GB ram, leading to complaints, but they've fixed that. They've also changed from a pentile display. We will have to wait and see if the new design is an improvement, as this is one of the areas where the S3 got a sticking. And the plastic body of course. They haven't changed that yet, but then again it didn't hurt the sales of the S3 ;)
  12. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    Well they've changed from a pentile to something else that's still got 2 greens for each RB pair.

    I imagine that anyone who claims they can actually see this without a magnifying glass on 5" 1080p will be kidding themselves, but some people will complain anyway ;)
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  13. sean76

    sean76 Well-Known Member

    The S3 was a huge seller, and still is! However aside from the camera on the S4 I'm just not all that impressed. Maybe I've just grown tired of my former favorite Super Amoled screens...lol!

    It's a build quality thing for me man, I've just grown so tired of the shinny cheap plastic, throw some high grade aluminum or metal on there already.

    Hey this is off topic but didn't it surface that Samsung is thinking of taking touchwiz out on it's own and moving away from android pretty soon?
  14. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER AF Addict VIP Member

    Yeah, they have been throwing around Tizen, but I think they have ruled that out in the near future...
  15. sean76

    sean76 Well-Known Member

    Don't you know people use magnifying glasses on they're phones these days..lol

    Like seriously, anyone picking pixels of that screen needs more then a new phone, they need help.
  16. sean76

    sean76 Well-Known Member

    Amazing...Bite the hand that feeds you!

    Same as I've heard, somewhere down the line.
  17. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    Watched the S4 promotional video and hoping lots of those features will make it to my Note 2 :)

    I'm not that much of a hater on plastic. It's what makes the phone light and durable :)
  18. rcsrich

    rcsrich Well-Known Member

    I think the S4 will be just as successful, if not more so, than the S3. We phone nerds love to wank on about the specs & minute details of different handsets, but the average person will go for it in droves just like they did for the S3. It could be argued that Apple has done nothing but "incremental" updates since the iPhone 4 & they have been stupidly successful. It's true that there are lots of Android folks that are always looking for something new, but I think Samsung is trying to offer some stability and consistency in the Android market that I bet a lot of folks will dig.

    I think Samsung played it a little safe, but they also poured an amazing amount of publicity into the S3 and now have some serious brand recognition that the Note series & the S4 only reinforce. I read somewhere that Sammy spends more on advertising than Apple, Microsoft, Dell, and a few other massive corporations combined- pretty astounding.

    And last but not least, I'm happy with the design decisions for the S4 because my S3 will still look current a year from now.

    My two cents' :)
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  19. rcsrich

    rcsrich Well-Known Member

    Funny, I heard the same ho-hum reviews with the iPhone 5 launch...and it was the #1 selling smartphone last quarter.

    Just sayin' ;)
  20. Ken7

    Ken7 Well-Known Member

    Not if you want to keep the weight down. Since most people put these thing in cases, who really cares. Metal or plastic, it all disappears in the case. ;)
  21. narutoninjakid

    narutoninjakid Well-Known Member

    Exactly. Maybe some of those features make it to the note 2 I just ordered. If not who cares? Not me lol :)
  22. RajCaj

    RajCaj Well-Known Member

    Maybe when it was rumored that they were going to use the PHOLED screen, but now that the SuperAMOLED 1080p screen has been confirmed, it may negate some of the increase in battery power.

    Also, I wonder how the new processor demands will have an effect on the battery (especially considering the US variants that may be getting the Snapdragon processors, not the Exynos Octo-Core 4+4 processors)

    Bigger / Higher Resolution Screen + Upgraded Processor may wash out the 500mah increase in batter capacity
  23. I thought the upgraded processor are supposed to be more power efficient, thus negating the extra power consumption used by the bigger and more high resolution screen.
  24. Complex757

    Complex757 Well-Known Member

    The S4 will be successful, because unlike HTC, LG and Motorola, they know how to market their phones. They've reached that Apple marketing level, where image is everything.
  25. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER AF Addict VIP Member

    I know the DNA gets really good battery life considering the 5" 1080P screen and 2020mAh battery. Actually it slightly edges out the S3, which has a bigger battery and 720P screen. So I would hope your statement is true for the S4 as well.

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