After reading about this in the TMobile G1 forums, I called them myself to see whats up. Here is what was said to me: "Its confirmed! If you ordered between October3rd and October 21st (second half of the presale) we will begin shipping your devices between October 27th and October 31st. You should get them within 3 days of that. check your status using your phone number xxx-xxx-xxxx http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/reference" That was cut and pasted from the Tmo G1 Forums site. Tho it is exactly word for word what the rep read to me. So just maybe we will not have to wait till the 10th after all.