Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by SoFLO, Jun 3, 2010.
Question is what the title states, should Major League Baseball give him the perfect game?
While it's clear he EARNED it, and deserves it, I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to start overturning on field calls after the fact.
Umpires are human and make mistakes - sucks BIG in this case, but that's the nature of sports sometimes.
I think a stronger call for instant replay in baseball will come from this though.
You can't give him that moment on the field back, celebrating his accomplishment with his teammates, which is a shame. But he at least deserves to be acknowledged in the record books for what he accomlpished last night.
BUT!, did you guys know that he lost $100,000 because of that? It's in his contract.
It does set a precedent if the MLB doesn't make it known as a special case. Obviously if the Galarraga got shook up after the blown call and gave up a homer, it wouldn't be possible. Since the blown call was the only hit I think in this case it would be alright to overrule the call.
I agree about instant replay, it should at least be mandatory in the 9th inning and extra innings when the game is at stake or something like this happens.
I agree he deserves the acknowledgment but it still won't give him back that moment which is once in a lifetime.
If the Tigers ownership has a heart they will give him the bonus.
You can't change the outcome now... mistakes are part of the game.
Agree 100%. I have long been an advocate of instant replay in baseball, as long as it is implemented in such a way that it won't slow the game down too much.
Yeah, it was a bad call but it's a horrible idea to even think about overturning the call. It would have a domino effect...I think instant replay should ONLY be used in post season games (other than the home run instant replay).
Did you guys see Joyce and Galarraga before the game? It was pretty touching, the fans even cheered. Looks like things aren't going to be as bad as I thought, glad to see it. I didn't want to see another Denkinger moment.
My opinion is that major league baseball should recommit to letting the game be judged by live umpires instead of leaning in the direction of replays and other technology.
Bad calls will always be around, even after replay analysis in a booth or on the field, as we've seen in football.
That bad call this thread is about had painful ramifications, not as bad as if it were a playoff game or world series, but the pitcher was robbed of a record setting (for Detroit) game.
But that's got to be swallowed along with all the calls that go either way, all day in hundreds of games across the league.. everybody involved has to move on and continue to do their very best.
Galarraga brings lineup to tearful Joyce | MLB.com: News
I think Joyce's move visiting the Tiger's lockerroom after seeing the replay after the game and apologizing went a long way to not only smoothing over some of the backlash, but also showing a lot of courage that other umps sometimes seem to lack. Joyce knows he screwed up, and he knows he's not bigger than the game, and he can admit it.
I personally think that they should at least acknowledge that he did actually score a perfect game. At least everyone in the MLB will know that he did score a perfect game, even if the outcome didn't reflect it. It's obvious that you can NOT change the actual outcome of the game. It's like in tennis, there are bad calls made all the time but you just have to get through it. I do believe that MLB should have some kind of technology or instant replay so that it isn't entirely relying on one man to call the shots. In tennis, it's great that Hawkeye is implemented. It has corrected a LOT of bad calls throughout the years and would have changed some outcomes if it wasn't for the technology. It's also eases the tennis players knowing that the point that they thought they had won, was actually lost. Ease of mind. I play a lot of tennis and there have been times when I've played matches that I seriously believe that I won that point. It really gets to you mentally when it's a VERY important point that can determine if you lose or not. If I had instant replay or Hawkeye, I would've definitely used it.
Love this, great moment.
I would begrudgingly have to say no, he shouldn't be given a perfect game, but it would be nice to see it acknowledged in some way in the books, because he certainly earned it. As of right now, calls are decided on the field of play -- sucks for him, but those are the rules, even if we later find out that the call turns out to be incorrect. Would really set a bad precedent.
im from the D....... man we are all shook up about this BUT the greatest lesson that was seen and heard by all is how they acted.
Galerraga was a man about it
Joyce did exactly what we needed to see/hear
Jim Leyland while hot at first, cooled off and cooler heads prevailed
it was an amazing feat (our first in Detroit baseball history) but even more amazing how it kinda boiled down....... that was the truly cool part!
I think Galarraga will always have a perfect game in our minds.
The way this was handled by all parties was a real lesson in humility and class for the rest of pro sports. Big ups to Galarraga for somehow maintaining his cool, and props to Jim Joyce for apologizing and taking full responsibility.
This is a slippery slope. That same night, the Twins and Mariners were locked up 1-1 in the bottom of the 10th. With runners on 1st and 2nd and two outs, Ichiro hit a ball to the second baseman, Matt Tolbert. Matt flipped it to Nick Punto who stepped on the bag, clearly beating the runner for the 3rd out.
But wait...he was called safe and the runner who was originally on 2nd came around to score...since Punto thought he had the 3rd out.
So...in this case, the Twins LOST the game due to a bad call. Should THAT call be reversed and the two teams be forced to begin again from the top of the 11th?
I chalk it up to a bad call...part of the game...let's move on and win tomorrow.
heard about that BUT this is a perfect game we're talking about. PERFECT GAME. in the history of baseball how many times has it happened, let alone in the same month.
its really tough to chalk it up to "just a bad call"
3rd out in the 9th... did u see the replay of how bad of a bad call it was?? i've seen it touted as the worst call ever, esp for the situation......
gets me mad, then happy it happened to us then mad then happy....... just one of those thing u wish didnt happen.
heck, my friend called me in the 7th and told me about it. i was oblivious to what was occurring. i couldnt even watch it. just listened to it via phone. ugh it was baaaaaad though. pins and needles.
We'll never forget his perfect game because of the situation surrounding it, but we'll easily forget that chump from the A's perfect game in the same season. Think about it. He'll always be remember not only for the accomplishment, but how well he handled the entire situation. Instead of becoming a stat in the books his situation turned into a great learning tool for everyone trying to teach a young one a lesson. For this reason his game might not go into the books but it will always be remembered as something extra special - maybe the most special perfect game we will see in our lifetimes.