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  1. dkaufman1

    dkaufman1 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    So clearly spammers are an issue. They auto spam vBulletin (runs this Forum) software and while mods have to delete the user and the post we get email notified about the post, which means (I think) we have to visit the post or we no longer will get notified about future posts in that thread.

    So a few thoughts - change BB systems (immensely hard? no guarantees?)
    find and implement better spam filters
    create a small delay in the email process - where comments are not held in moderation but emails are, giving mods a bit of time
    better qualify new members or even existing members every so often

    Hope this can help.

    Always looking for the silver lining - once in a while a thread long forgotten pops up in my email or a new thread to me pops up in the main page's list. That's nice.
     

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  2. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    I had suggested a script that some trusted members could execute without having to be a moderator .... dont know if this forum supports scripts in that way !!! But I would love to sap them !!
     
  3. N3TWORK BURN3R

    N3TWORK BURN3R Well-Known Member

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    What about implementing a captcha type thing upon registration?
     
  4. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

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    For every spammer resolution method there is, there's an evolution in the way spamming works.

    We constantly try to change with them, and have added filters over time, delays, captchas and random questions.

    They stop for a bit (well, slow down) then come back.

    At the moment there are a couple filters in place, using keywords and posting timers to flag and catch.

    There was a captcha on registration, but now we use random questions.

    I do think we need to explore more, again, though. There was a point where dev had a script for us based on usernames, back when they were using abc[date], but they've moved on.. again.

    Perhaps if we require the first [x] number of posts to have to go through moderation.... that would probably help.

    The worst part about them is how they flag subscribed threads. We do a pretty good job of zapping them when they get reported - it's not really a matter of not having enough ban sticks - but that doesn't stop the subscription email from going out.

    Keep those thoughts/suggestions a comin'!

    edit: maybe a filter that blocks based on links in first x number of posts...
     
  5. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    LOL, You should have a Masters possibly even a Doctrate in Chinese by now !!!
     
  6. shivers316

    shivers316 Godmember VIP Member

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    I was actually a member of a site where you couldn't post links until you had 10 posts. That might help a bit.
     
  7. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    I think prohibiting a new member's first 10 posts is a good idea, provided that those ten posts are not to any exisiting thread (reducing the subcribed thread issue).

    Those 10 posts should be moderated... with a notice to the poster that a delay, of no less than two days and no more than five days, will pass before any of their posts will appear to other members.
     
  8. shivers316

    shivers316 Godmember VIP Member

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    So much work just to keep spammers out.
     
  9. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    I believe that the mod only taking action after getting the email/notice of a new poster with 10 or more posts waiting, is no more work than the mod getting the notice of spam (current action) ... the rest should be handled by a forum script... and our (subscribed posts) emails would not be stuffed with trash which we have to answer or we will not get future emails even if they are valid posts...
     
  10. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

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    Not sure I agree with that particular detail, but good thinking guys.

    Gotta kinda find a balance between what's sufficient to keep out spammers and what will piss off and deter new members.

    I'd think once the post has been seen and approved that'd be suffice.
     
  11. shivers316

    shivers316 Godmember VIP Member

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    I'm not saying it's more work, just stating a fact. The spam has definitely slowed down a lot though. It was really crazy for a while.
     
  12. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    One post may be enough ??? since is seems that the average spammer leaves 6 to 10 posts while he is logged in ...
     
  13. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    :D
    I could PM all the ones I get via email subscription, that way you can keep up on your proficiency in Chinese !!! :eek:
     
  14. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    I had to go through two levels of input (graphic letters and a second text input) when I recently registered at xda-developers.... then did the email confirmation response to complete registration ...

    I don't know how effective that is to weeding out the spammers ... or even how it compares with our process ? But it might be a step we could take, if we dont already employ the same method ...
     
  15. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

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    Right, but the first post would have to be approved before any would show, thus none would show.

    But that's not what I meant. I meant once the post was seen and approved it (and others) would then show. I read your post that I was replying to as "your post will have a delay of 2 to 5 days before showing", which wouldn't be acceptable.

    Agreed, hence the happy middle ground that needs to be found. It will never be fully addressed before registration, just the nature of the beast. It will always, at best, just be kept barely under control.

    It isn't a matter of not having enough mods to zap them - we do pretty well. Reported posts get whiped quickly for the most part and many more on top of that get zapped before anyone sees and reports them, and many more get caught in the filters before that.

    ATM we employ the random question (can swap back to captcha, were using that before) along with email verification. I'm sure we can add another level of verification and will consider it but again, they WILL find a way past it.


    Again... perhaps a good idea would be to filter/block posts with links/pictures in it for a users first X number of posts. Does that seem like it'd be pretty good?
     
  16. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

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    It would be nice if there were a plugin/option that allowed for flagging a user and putting the remainder of their posts in moderation cue once they were 'reported' if they had less than X number of posts.

    So if a member has say, 15 posts.. and someone reports a post, that and the rest of their posts go invisible to members until a mod can look.

    We shall look around.
     
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    Phases Community Manager Administrator

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    "Good news everyone"

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    Ok. See my above couple posts still but.. check this out.

    I've made a new user group called Spam Hammers. For those interested, well known, and those clearly doing the work (aka I'll need to see a good number of reported posts from you first and you'll need to be someone I know and trust), I can put you in that usergroup and you'll have access to the OTBC tool. So, instead of reporting spam, you can just ban and wipe all their posts in one swift downswipe of your Spam Stick.

    For now all I really see, while several people do report stuff, jjj doing 99% of the reporting. It's pretty insane. So we'll start with you jjj, and see how at bay you can keep them.

    If we need to add more spam hammers later I will tally up the reported posts from this date and add the next highest reporter.

    I'll pm you instructions jjj.

    This doesn't solve the registration/posting therefore subscription email problem but it'll at least help keep them away from visibility on the boards. We will continue to dig into options.
     
  18. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    This sounds like a great plan ...
     
  19. dkaufman1

    dkaufman1 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Wow....this is why I love you guys, and I'm not afraid to say it. I make one little suggestion and you guys run a full brainstorming and implementation session.

    I really didn't even need to comment at all but felt at least a Thank You and a glad I wasn't the only one annoyed.

    I think the suggestions all sound great and do agree pre-registration should be the first thing, once you are a member I want to see you posting as much as possible.

    Great job everybody.

    For my next post - how can all the good members at AF become millionaires? This has really been bugging me, and I hope we can tackle it.
     
  20. justjimjpc

    justjimjpc Premium Member VIP Member

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    Might as well go for Billionaire --- Todays Billion is yesterday's Million ... :rolleyes:
     
  21. Kelmar

    Kelmar Done by choice VIP Member

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    Any new news on preventing these spammers? Seems like there are still quite a bit of them working their ways through....
     
  22. Caddyman

    Caddyman Well-Known Member

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    the usergroup is a tremendous idea. i have had really good luck with the following

    use the built in human verification question

    use a image captcha

    use re-captcha

    with those 3 things i get a damn near spam on all the sites i admin for.
     

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