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Stop the smartphone os wars!

Are you sick of the os wars and who's phone is better?

  1. Let it rage on!

  2. I could care less, let em fight!

  3. Yes!

  4. Nope...

  5. I just ignore it...


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  1. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    ok so i'll start:

    i have an htc evo lte. it all started when i first bought the og evo way back when. ever since, i have stuck with htc. i really like their builds, never had any major issues.

    and i agree that competition is better by waging war against each other. i love the latest samsung s3 commercial about the apple people waiting in line. HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!

    so bring it on people, i can take it. MY PHONE IS BETTER THEN YOURS:p:D:eek::D:p


  2. Satires

    Satires Well-Known Member

    Your phone RULES! Because it suits you. :)

    I love my bionic running gingerbread because of webtop with a full desktop and the firefox browser that runs through my hdtv. Most normal people (Unlike myself) have a home internet connection, I do not. There's things that a full browser can assist me with. Meaning, it's the closest thing to free tethering one can get. Plus, with the hd dock, I can utilize a 1 tb external hard drive without a computed.

    Like yours, mine suits my needs, and like mine, other's smartphones do exactly what they need.
    Speed and beauty of a device is in the eye of the beholder, remember, these devices are mass produced. :D

    I did see the galaxy s3 the other day, man that phone is SEXY! :D
    ocnbrze likes this.
  3. jhtalisman

    jhtalisman Well-Known Member Contributor

    I helped an iphone user over the weekend. He and his wife now have a modified Amazon Kindle Fire JellyBean tablet.
    Granite1 likes this.
  4. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    I usually ignore it, but a lot of times it's really good for a laugh, or the irony and satire get to you.
  5. Shinji01

    Shinji01 Well-Known Member

    As much as I understand that variety is necessary in the market, I think that having a unified OS can help in the development of better apps.
    Adapting to OSs and models take up so much time for the devs.
  6. Granite1

    Granite1 Zercron Encrusted Tweezer Moderator

    I own both. Call me what you will, I really won't listen anyway. :p

    My phone rocks, I love it. My iPod rocks I love it. Nuff said. ;)

    Why waste energy on arguements that really don't solve any problems? :)
    Russ71 and Satires like this.
  7. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You VIP Member

    And it's green, Android green.

    (you in the USA might not get that one - a play on the UK phone carrier 'orange' go Google it on your Android ;)
  8. kymberlin

    kymberlin *~ Life is Beautiful ~* VIP Member

    Thank God for Google. !

    Otherwise, we may never have figured you out. Master X
  9. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    I'm a Linux fan first and foremost. I like Android OK, but I also like having a device that could be turned into a full-on Linux machine if need be. As long as Google doesn't turn into yet another heartless corporate giant, I'm OK with Android. But if they start locking things down and slapping EULAs on everything, I'm off to the next Linux-based platform.

    I witnessed the Mac vs. PC wars, and endured my share of slings and arrows from clueless EvangeListas who assumed that I was running Windows, or made silly proclamations like "Linux is a CLI". Let the kids run around until they're all worn out.
  10. Satires

    Satires Well-Known Member

    Loved your reply. :)

    I'm a linux fan myself. :)
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  11. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Without "profit companies," we would have very little to nothing at all. Sorry, but not all companies are evil and we absolutely need them.

    For profit companies built this country and people like J.P. Morgan, Vanderbilt and the Rockefeller were not necessarily fair; they were hard as nail business people that craved cash and power at the expense of workers, in some cases.

    These were men among men and they ruled this country for many years. Weaklings could have never built a railroad across this great country and chances are, they would go to jail if the laws we have today were in place in their time.

    If they wanted your land, they took it, one way or another. That said, and sadly said, this was needed to get the job done.

    Their efforts benefit us all.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but if there is no profit motive, there are no products. You cannot grow what you need in many cases and things like sewing, canning, weaving and even chopping wood are lost arts to some extent.

    I cannot setup a forge and foundry in my apartment so my dreams of becoming a blacksmith are gone. And back in the day, I could fashion a radio from the junk pile. Today, I cannot do this so easily.

    We need tech and we need large corporations and they need proft or they go fishing.
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  12. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I disagree. Both Google and Apple have plenty of apps. I like Android but I would develop iOS apps because that is where the money is.

    As for developing better apps, it is this rivalry between devices that leads to better apps. If there were only one smartphone and one OS, I can see lots of lazy developers who would not have to worry about what the other side is up to.

    If you want to develop for Android, go for it. If you want to develop for iOS, well, do it. I do not think iOS developers have a problem creating Android apps. After all, they are programmers and Android is another place to earn a living. Multiple systems give developers more ways to earn more money.

    As for the time it takes developers to make apps for both, so what? Why not say Honda, Harley and Yamaha should get together and standardize bike parts. Sure would save time. Or gun manufacturers should get together and decide on one ultimate round. No more need to make all of those different calibers.
    ocnbrze likes this.
  13. DragonSlayer95

    DragonSlayer95 Resident Air Bender Moderator

    To throw my short 2 cents in here, I've never once used an apple product, but I've heard you can't fully customize by jail breaking like you would with Android by rooting and flashing on roms, major deal breaker for me as I'm a flashaholic and huge on appearance as well :)

    Sent From My HTC Evo 3D Using TapaTalk 2
  14. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I can tell you exactly why I bought a Windows PC, why I bought an iPad, why I bought a Palm VII, why I prefer a fountain pen, and why I prefer vintage cars. My 1960 Olds Super 88 is a better car than most made today. Some will disagree, but so what? I still have to qualify my reasons or I become an Olds Fanboy.

    Or why I bought a Triumph running on Virgin Mobile or before that, a Zio running on Cricket. You would agree with my reasons if you are reasonable and not a bloody fanboy. You would disagree if I simply stated a Zio is the best phone made or an iPad is the best tablet out there.

    Take my Zio for example. Large screen, high-end (at the time, and for a no contract carrier) and no contract. The only reason I am considering an iPhone is because the IPhone 5 will arrive on Cricket in November, they say, and no contracts.

    My work phone will be a large screen Android device. It is the best choice because of the large screen. The only deciding factor, by the way.

    Therefore, anything smaller is not a good choice and my Galaxy will be the best phone available. For me. Probably the only phone on the market I will consider. Yes, the Note is larger but I do not want a mini-tablet.

    My unqualified statements would breed unqualified retorts and progress suddenly stagnates. I can tell you why my choices are better, clearly and logically. I can say my choices are better because I only have to deal with my needs.

    The problem is, some people make general statements, like Apple is better than Android or Linux is better than Windows. For them, perhaps. Some people posting to forums are clueless and reactionary. They source Wikepedia and that copy and paste becomes their expert opinion.

    I have preferences for many old things and my reasons are valid. For me and sometimes, for legitimate and demonstrable technical reasons. The problem is, some people disagree and that is sad. They confuse facts with ideas and that is never good. they have buyers remorse or they were clueless when they bought what they bought.

    There are things that are clearly superior, period.

    Take the old Hassleblad Superwide. The lens was theoretically perfect. No way to make a better optic. So that was my first choice for a WA 120 camera. It was a terrible choice if I could not afford to spend the money and an even worse choice for those looking for a 120 camera in the sub-$500.00 range.

    I cannot say an 8 x 10 camera is better than a digital camera without qualification. I can say it is better for technical reasons that likely mean very little to you or other AF members. Just my tripod alone weighs 40 pounds without the fluid head. It is made from oak and cast iron. Add a huge camera, a few heavy lenses in a huge shutters, a focusing cloth and a few dozen film holders, and I should probably rent a mule.

    Add to that, a darkroom, the need for large printing equipment, huge trays holding gallons of solutions, a big water bill, and careful working conditions . . . film and cameras of this size is the worst possible choice for most amateurs.

    The tripod was designed for holding professional 35mm motion picture cameras in a sound blimp. It was a monster and a terrible tripod for most people.

    When you need a picture of something for an eBay post, a film camera "sucks." For me, there are no other choices for some things like landscapes. Large format film is better for many quality related reasons, but it is the worse possible camera for other reasons I do not care about.

    Lots of things are better based upon my opinion, and many things are clearly better, period, by any standard you want to apply. You might not agree, but then, you would be wrong. The trouble starts when people disagree without knowing what they are talking about.

    Lots of that going around.

    Fortunately, I do not have to worry about others, just little old me.
  15. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    You can do many things via jailbreaking but there are some things you cannot do, too. But iOS was not designed to be Jailbroken and there are no custom ROMS. What you do have is the capability to do many--perhaps most--of the things a custom ROM provides without the need to change ROMS or worry about ROMS in the first place. Many that point to this lack of ROMS are largely clueless.

    If there were a need/demand for custom ROMS, we would probably have them. Or perhaps there are a few; I no longer look past Cydia because problems await you when dealing with apps from untrusted sources.

    Rooting or Jailbreaking is something most users could care less about until they hear about it and then they decide they need it. I jailbreak for one specific reason: the ability to access doc and text files on my iPad. I do use themes and a few tweaks, like adding more icons to the bottom of the screen; custom arranging my icons, adding screen widgets and other things.

    You should see the looks on people when I show them my themes. Some people have asked me about my Android Tablet . . ."Gee, that locks like an iPad" because it runs DreamBoard and an Android theme. It works exactly like an Android tablet, too.

    Trouble starts with the tech wonks arguing the minutia that might not even matter to those of us that are deep into Jailbreaking.

    Remember, sometimes, you can add all of the features you want from Cydia that duplicate some of the features offered by a custom ROM on the Android side.

    Jailbreaking adds lots of capability to iPads and iPhones. I never saw the need for a custom iOS ROM because everything I want to do is easy to do with a tweak or three.

    The lack of a custom iOS ROM is not a reason to not like iOS devices until you know for a fact that you cannot do something with a jailbroken iOS device. No offense, but from your post, it is clear you might not know what you can do with a jailbroken iOS device and a trip to Cydia or a repo.

    I might suggest that you can actually do more with a jailbroken iOS device than is possible with an Android device. The numbers of themes, mods, tweaks and other stuff available through Cydia and perhaps 500 plus repositories is astounding. If you want things for the Android side, you are "stuck" with whatever ROM(s) are available as well as the apps designed for rooted devices.

    There are tens of thousands of things available on Cydia and there are vast numbers of repos outside of Cydia, so we have tens of thousands of potential "markets" that let you do anything you want or need to do.
  16. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Well-Known Member

    Just curios, you have a prejudice against for profit companies... Without a company expecting to make a profit what other motivation is there to make a better OS than the competition? You try to make the best product and beat your competitors so that you can make more money.

    Honestly I have no loyalty to an OS. When it comes to phones, Android has been the best since the original Droid (Android 2.1 released Nov 2009). I think Android is the best in tablets right now, but I own an iPad2 because when I bought it Apple had the best tablet OS. I am holding off on upgrading until the Microsoft Surface is released because I think it might be better than Android for a tablet.

    BTW, Google, Apple, and Microsoft are only making these products to make a profit.
  17. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    Android is open source...if some tweak/setting/feature isn't available, you're not "stuck" with/without anything, you simply make it yourself.

    I'd argue that you're stuck with options available to you on cydia.

    Open source>>>closed source

    5,000 theme choices isn't exactly what I'd consider robust development:rolleyes:

    Sent from my nexus 7
  18. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I could write all day for free. To help humanity and all that crap. I can write about green subjects, how much Apple sucks, why Android will fail, why one brand of vintage bike rules over the rest and other topics. All articles will find a ready market, but I'll have to find a soup kitchen.

    But I am a for profit kind of guy trying to keep up with the for profit apartment owners; the for profit grocery stores, the for profit gas stations, the for profit stores and the for profit phone company.

    When they stop insisting on making a profit, I will do the same and I'll have even more money because there wont be anything for sale. Until then, I'll embrace my profit side and hope to write the next Harry Potter and retire.
  19. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Well-Known Member

    This is the attitude I do not understand when it comes to Android. My wife has a Nexus S, had it for over 2 years since release day. It works great. She won't even let me root it. I had one on release day also and had it rooted a couple hours later, since me and Koush got ours at the same time and he posted a root guide so quickly (both live in Seattle). The argument that iOS is more stable or just works better is just BS. I have more apps crash on my iPad than I do on my GSII.

    A few years ago maybe, but now Android has passed Apple in every aspect imaginable on phones.

    My phone is a different story... I root, ROM, break, fix, crash, debug, test... I like it, to a certain extent. I won't own another non Nexus phone though. There are just too many issues (like a 3 hour battery life on JB on the GSII because Samsung won't release kernel source code)
  20. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    You perhaps, but not me. Are you a developer?

    You really think anyone can simply "make it yourself?" If you want to create apps for Jailbroken iOS, you can. Remember, iOS is closed source, but that DOES NOT prevent you from developing apps.

    I need a carb for a Chief. I prefer to order one rather than learn how to make it myself.

    Yes, Android is open source, but you must have some skills to begin with. And by the way, I am not talking just about just the 5,000 themes you mentioned, but the entire Cydia world with far more than just themes.

    Perhaps a better way to approach your post is by me asking you what you can do with Android I cannot do with iOS. If you cannot name anything specifically, then why bother arguing the issue? If you say custom ROMS, just reember to tell me what a custom ROM provides.

    Be aware . . .besides Cydia, there are the repositories with thousands of cool things to fiddle with, so the world of jailbreaking possibilities is vast.

    Until you become a developer, you are stuck with what the developers release and most of us are not developers, so it does not matter that Android is open source; we are stuck with what they give us for the most part. What is your point?

    There does not need to be a point, really. Go with what you prefer.
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  21. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    No, I'm no developer. That's the beauty of it. You don't need to be. A little time spent on google is all you need to make whatever changes you'd like to make.
  22. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    But why did your iOS apps crash? I will not doubt you, but there has to be a reason. Some users never have a problem and sometimes, it is because they try to run apps that are not compatible.

    I had a problem with the installed version of Pages after an upgrade to the next iOS. The problem was incompatibility. I need more information before I can take the point you are obviously trying to make at face value.

    I have had far more FC's on both the Zio and Triumph than I have had on my iPad. I have read horror stories from iPhone users complaining that Jailbreaking damaged their phone...bricked is the term they often use.

    The problem is they changed their baseband. I do know that it is impossible to brick an iPad; there is always a way to recover, so when they say they had to return their iPad to Apple for a repair, I know how they could have prevented their problems.

    I need more info before I could possibly agree with your assessment of iOS devices.
  23. carracerz14

    carracerz14 Well-Known Member

    There's always a way to recover your Android also. So that point is invalid.
  24. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Well-Known Member

    Apps like the WrangerForums app on ios have always crashed frequently on my iPad. That is just one example. Words with friends is another example of an app that crashes more or takes way longer to load on ios than android. I always get iPad apps, and ignore iPhone apps (I hate the way iPhone only apps look on the iPad).

    Other than the Slacker Radio app on Android I normally don't have problems with Android apps (other than all the ones I beta test) Android developers also seem to be more responsive and communicate and want feedback.

    Sometimes it is a longer wait (much longer if it deals with Xfinity), but when apps are released, they just seem to work better on Android IMO.
  25. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Well-Known Member

    Stock iOS or stock Android, recovery is about the same.

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