stopping programs

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  1. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    is there an app that will make the tablet stop running programs? i have noticed it is hard to make programs stop they seem to run until you turn off the unit or work your way in the the app and force it to stop. i have not yet found the stop point for any of the programs. thanks bp

  2. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    what you are asking about is task killer apps. however, i do not recommend that you do it. android does a really good job at maintaining resources even though it seems that apps are running wild. most apps may seem to be running in the background, but it will only run when needed.

    here check this out:

    i have been an android user for 5 years now and never once used a task killer.

    edit: my asus transformer infinity runs great with no task killers....just saying:D
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  3. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    yes i see that after i asked the question i found a task killer on the system and tried it. i found it did not really stop the program. it said it did but then when i went back again the program was still running. being new to the devices and playing around with them i found getting new apps installed and running them made the tablet run slower that is why i wanted to stop them. and then once it asked me to updated the apps and i let it and that took forever, they just kept updating over and over. finally got them to stop by turning it off. so that is another reason i was looking for way to stop them with out going to the apps manager and forcing them. thanks
  4. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    one more thing to stopping programs is i have accuweather running and want to stop it. so far my only way is to remove the program but sometimes i need the program. that is another reason i want to stop them. but the built in task stopper program does not actually stop the programs. so is there an app i can get that will watch the running apps and then i can just tap the ones to quit until i restart them thanks
  5. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    you can have the app update at certain intervals. once it updates though it will not be running. like i said task killers are not needed. if you stop a program the android os will just run it again. by doing this the you will drain the battery faster.

    again accuweather will stop when it is not needed. it will only update as scheduled. you can change the setting within the app to only update when you launch it.
  6. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    thanks but i have seen that if anything is running even a bit the tablet seems to slow down. after i close out unused programs the tablet speeds up. so that is why i want unused programs to completely stop when no using them. keep the memory for what i use. if i had other items running i see it when i use netflix. netflix runs slow and want to buffer some if programs like accuweather or weatherbug or a scanner radio or even a radio program have been running before netflix. after i stop them things get faster.
    thanks bp.
  7. Mostly Harmless

    Mostly Harmless Well-Known Member Contributor

    What device and what version of android?
  8. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!! Moderator

    well my asus transformer infinity has a quad core processor and netflix has always been laggy. i think it has more to do with the app itself. everything else on my tablet works flawlessly.
  9. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    I am not with the majority who think Android does a great job at managing processes, I know lots of people say it, but I disagree.

    If Android was so great at managing processes, it wouldn't start processes that we rarely use, but it does. Someone tried to tell me that's just how Unix behaves, I couldn't help but laugh, then proved that it wasn't true.

    I have gotten into the habit of force closing apps that I don't use often because I've noticed that when you force close a user app, that app will never start again unless you start it yourself or another app calls it or something.

    For instance, I will force close all live wallpapers, seesmic, music players, etc. Those apps never run again until I start them.

    I don't see a problem with killing processes, though I do see a problem with killing tasks automatically, unless you know those are tasks that will not come back.
    For instance, google search will keep coming back, as well as Snote, contacts, nfc, allshare, etc.
    Therefore it doesn't make since to have an auto task killer kill those.
  10. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    Android *does* do an excellent job of handling processes and memory. I never have to give it a thought and my devices run great. What could be better than that? Killing them, whether manually or automatically, is a waste of time, power and counterproductive.

    And running processes is not a 'Unix thing'. All sophisticated OS run a lot of processes, many which apparently to all but expert users, are totally unnecessary. Check the running processes of any Windows machine. Lotsa strange stuff is running. How many users could explain why everything is running and what it's doing? So what - most Windows users never give processes a thought nor do they need to.

    Quit worrying about processes in Android, relax and enjoy your device.

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
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  11. TurtleRunner

    TurtleRunner Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the read, I guess I should get rid of my task killers now...
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  12. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    my uniden utab71 has 5 things running now and is using 298 mb of 512 over half. settings,wifi hacker,anti virus (avg),goggle services,android keyboard. now i will force stop wifi, anti virus and Google and this is what is being use still 281mb of 512 so with stopping 3 services of the 5 running i got back 20mb of ram.

    wifi had a few thing along with it anti virus (avg) had a few thing with it and goggle had a few things with it. i can't stop settings or android keyboard. it will not let me.
  13. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

  14. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    RAM usage is *supposed* to be high. In the Android/Linux world unused RAM is wasted RAM. Let Android handle RAM and don't worry about it.

    You can uninstall the antivirus. There are no viruses that affect Android.

    You can't stop them because they're necessary for the device to operate.

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
  15. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    How is terminating a process that you rarely use, knowing that it won't restart until you start it, a waste of time, power, and counterproductive?

    As to the large number of processes, yes, that is an OS thing with regard to the OS processes, not apps.
  16. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    Since it is totally, utterly unnecessary, and does not affect performance, how is it not?

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
  17. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    Instead of having apps in memory that I am not going to use, I'll have apps in memory that I will use.
    To me that's a much more efficient use of my system resources because the OS won't be swapping apps I won't use out for apps I want to use.
  18. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    Android handles all that seamlessly and far more efficiently than you can ever hope to.

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
  19. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    LOL. I love it when people like you make statements like that when you have no idea what skills people have or what they do for a living, it's really amusing.

    On my lpars, apps run only when we start them manually, from inittab, an rc script, or a job scheduler. They don't start just because the OS thinks they should.
    I decide how much memory, paging space, and virtual processors are given, and which lpar has a higher priorty to use shared resources, and all of my servers run efficiently with me having complete control.

    I don't understand why so many android users refuse to admit that having the OS randomly start apps makes no sense.
  20. corvairbob

    corvairbob Active Member

    well i took the avg out. tonight i have the unit on and i have the running processes page open. the only thing i have going is the tunein radio app running and for some reason the settings is running. when i go to the manage apps page under items running i have settings,scanner radio which i did not start i know because i just rebooted it. appstore, google services, tunein radio, android keyboard. i'm using 30- of 512 ram. now why would appstore be running and the scanner radio being i did not start them. it seems i should not have the scanner and appstore going if i did not start them. and the built in task stopper will not actually stop them. and now that app is not even loading. error launcher is not running. thanks for the help.
  21. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    Cool you have Unix admin skills. I have a little bit too. But what does the above have to do with ordinary daily use of Android devices?

    And I don't understand why so many Android users worry and obsess about processes so much when it's completely pointless to do so. It may somehow be satisfying to control every detail of Android operations, but it serves no practical purpose.

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
  22. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    You said it handles memory/processing better than I could ever hope to, yet I handle it every day on a much larger scale, on many servers, for many users. Therefore handling it better than I could ever hope to was an ignorant statement.

    I don't worry or obsess about the Android memory handling. My point is simple. People have repeatedly stated that Android is so great at handling memory and processing, and other people read it and regurgitate the same info.

    But the truth is that it makes no sense for the OS to start apps that will not be used by the user. That is the waste.
    It will take more resources for the OS to swap out the unused processes for new ones than it would if it didn't start the processes to begin with.

    As I stated, I force stop the apps that it starts on my behalf if it's an app that I know I won't use anytime soon. That app will never restart ever again unless I restart it.
    You and others like you keep saying doing that makes no sense, yet you think it makes since for the OS to start apps for me when I won't use them.
    That's ridiculous!
  23. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Well-Known Member

    We could argue this endlessly, get into long technical details, etc. Technically, I could make a case but I'm just not motivated. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. The only other thing I'll say is this: I never give processes a thought and everything works perfectly. For most people that's all they want.

    Linux user #266351. Android since v1.0
  24. pool_shark

    pool_shark Well-Known Member

    It makes total sense for the OS to start apps that I won't use for 5 weeks, and waste system resources, but that damn Verizon logo on the home button...I tell ya, that's just F'N dumb!

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