Syrians attempting to overthrow al-Assad

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  1. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  2. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    Wonder if we will get involved directly?

    It will just end up an other Nation where the Muslim Brotherhood will step in to fill the power vacuum.

    This whole Arab Spring is their doing any way and is the fault of the West.

    In the 1920-30 when every country in the Mid East banned this and similar groups guess where they weren't banned? In the democracies of the West. So we gave them safe haven topractice and plot their hate of us and a strategy for conquering the Med East. At the rally on the 1st day of freedom in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood physically removed the moderates and secularists who were the face of the revolution from the victory celebration stage and took control. Their Chant? "1 Nation for a new Holocaust!"

    Logic shows the current regime to be less of a threat to the stability (balance of power) in the region.
  3. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member


    Syria basically funds terrorists in Palestine and Lebanon.

    Muslim brotherhood =/= evil. Look at Morsi, I mean technically he increased freedoms by allowing women to wear headscarves on TV. And he wants peace with Israel.

    In 1920-30 the middle east was under the control of Europe. It was after independence most Arab countries went to Socialist pan-Arabism.
  4. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  5. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    If the regime falls it will be replaced by something worse. Evry country touched by the Arab Spring has went the same way.

    Egypt is the perfect example. Yes we were propping up a dictator. It was the lesser of 2 evils that had been keeping peace between Egypt and Israel for decades.

    I was all about the Arab Spring when it was a youth movement demanding liberty.

    What you have now is thousands of Egyptians packing stadiums chanting 1 Nation under a new Halocaust and not surprisingly fanatical Islam right in the middle of it.

    But oh wait we are supposed to be pc about all that. We most certainly don't want to offend the fanatics.
  6. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Their Chant? "1 Nation for a new Holocaust!" phase has been used twice, any source to provide support. We have the KKK in the US, doesn't mean it has broad support.
  7. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Apparently it was used twice. When you consider that Arabs have actual legitimate reasons for hating Jews, their attitudes averaged out are probably better than many Europeans.
  8. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    What legitimate reason? I mean other than a hateful religion. Do we need to go into Right of Conquest again?
  9. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    My source is Walid Shoebat. I'm not going to link you to him because I don't want to send traffic to his channel.
    Memri TV was his source. They translate Arabic media broadcasts into English.

    Shoebat and Memri are very biased Zionists and I often take shots at picking apart their BS.But once in a while they do show something worth looking into.
    I don't really trust their translations because of their bias. In this case it was obvious they are making a true claim because the video shows a banner that looks to be over 50' long
    That says "one Nation for new Holocaust" in English. I'm a skeptic and wicked good with video manipulation so I downloaded the video and examined it to make sure it was not fake.
    Wasn't hard it was shot with a low quality cam, most likely a phone.
    I cropped sections from the video and enlargered them until it was completely pixelated and looked for a seam in the pixelation that would give away pasting multiple layers. I also tweaked the light values with avisynth script and looked for inconsistentcies. The vid is authentic so I feel safe assuming the audio translation is accurate on this one.
    The video was shot in a soccer stadium with thousands chanting. Whether it was during a game or at a rally of some kind is unclear. Since then the phrase is also popping up in Jihad videos.
    Here is a youtube link from an other guy who upped it. YouTube - "ONE NATION FOR NEW HOLOCAUST" ANTI-SEMITIC BANNER & CHANTS AT SOCCER GAME IN EGYPT like I said I won't give Shoebat traffic.
    In the vid it looks like its getting dark real fast like its time elapsed.That is the camera adjusting its self to compensate for the brightness of the light at center focus.

    It is ignorant to keep trying to minmize this crap and I wish liberals would get a clue. There is no comparison to be made here withe the KKK. This is not a fringe. In the Arab Spring countries this is what's filling the power vacuum.

    This is not a case of fanatics Hijacking a religion, they are practicing the Koran to the letter. Islam was a barbaric belief that came about in Barbaric times. Stop blaming this on radicals, Islam is the real problem.
  10. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Well, you know, stealing Arab land and expelling Arabs...
  11. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    What part of Right of Conquest do you not get. The. Fact you don't like it doesn't change the facts. They didn't steal anything or expel any one. Under Right of Conquest which was the accepted rule of war at that time those were no longer Arab lands. But hell what do I know, being half Native American gives me absolutely zero perspective on this.

    You never hear me saying how the Europeans stole our lands you do hear me
    chastise my own people for living in the past.

    Not attacking you personally but the antisemetic view you hold pisses me off.

    The only reason Arabs hate Jews is because of their bullshit rubbish backward medievil religion.
  12. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    I'm antisemetic? oh dear.

    Anyway, right now, Israel is colonizing and stealing from the Palestinian territories.

    They have not integrated the Occupied Palestinian Territories into their state. They cannot get Israeli healthcare, education, roads, welfare, wages. They are being colonized in the most unjust fashion.
    Because much of Israel does not want these Palestinians to continue living there.
  13. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    So now you are talking about teritory they took when they were attacked multiple times by their Neighbors. Once again right of conquest. The position Israel finds its self in has everything to do with outside interference in their own domestic matters. Not to menion it still comes back to Islam, if they were not muslims the rest of the Arab world would not care at all what happened to them.
    I call it an antisemetic view because you only consider the actions of the Jews to be wrong and basically condone the actions of the Muslims by saying the have a right.
  14. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Israel has initiated apartheid in the Occupied territories though.

    Oh the irony.

    Arab is a nationality as such. You'll find Turks or Bosniaks dont or French Maghrebis dont care half as much.
    Obviously religion tends to be a uniting factor, however.

    By your definition: A Jew rapes someone. Prosecutor gets Jew convicted. Prosecutor = antisemetic.
    Judaism is a dumb religion but really, idgaf.

    As for the Muslims, I'ma presume you are referring to Arabs here, and well, I don't condone violence where possible, and I certainly don't appreciate rocket attacks.
    I have relations in Israel, so the idea of rockets capable of reaching Tel-Aviv or Ashdod is fairly scary... but yeah.
  15. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    Oh the Irony? you will find I am not of like mind with many Americans. I believe in military Isolationism. I don't think we have any business preemptively attacking any one or being the world police.
    I also don't condone much about the actions of the Israelis but am sick to death of hearing that they don't have a right to their country.
    I was in the one instance speaking of people from the Arabian Peninsula and their close relatives across a small river when I said Arabs and was in fact speaking about all muslims in the other instance.

    I only personally care for Judaism slightly more than Islam and Christianity because it is actually hard to become a Jew not an open invitation or a threat of force to convert you.
    Pushing their Ideology on to every one else all the time is the biggest problem I have with Muslims and Christians.

    Sorry if it sounds cold hearted but I think we should stay out of the Business of other countries. For 1 it would solve almost completely the problem with other people wishing us ill and 2 what ever excuse we use to interfere in an other countries business will turn around and bite us in the ass like it always does and opens the door for them to meddle in our country which yeah not going to go well.

    Israel is a bit of a special case that we are stuck with like it or not. Just like we are stuck with the messes in several countries right now. When you interfere you own the mess created. We are responsible for what happens in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya and about to muck it up in Syria and own that mess to.
    We interfered in Europe almost 70 years ago and are still paying for it today.

    Trust me when I say I am not a fan of this sort of foreign policy.
  16. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

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