Task Killer---Yes or No ?General


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  1. one11sgt

    one11sgt Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    I am trying to make an informed decision about whether or not to use a task killer with the Android OS.

    I have read bits and pieces of info in different threads from both sides but cannot find a central forum or thread discussing this, so its hard to figure out the majority opinion.

    I would prefer not to use one since its just an extra step every time I use the phone....but if it is beneficial to either processor or battery or both, I will.

    Any opinions and/or experiences are welcome. Thanks in advance!!!
     

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  2. adrynalyne

    adrynalyne Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts are if you need to ask, then the answer is no.

    A well managed TK is beneficial. A poorly managed one hurts far more than it helps.
     
  3. yojoe600

    yojoe600 Well-Known Member

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    no please do not use one... just use system panel to kill apps when needed
     
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    one11sgt Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    adrynalyne:

    Don't know what you mean by your first sentence......but thanks for your response anyway.
     
  5. sabrewings

    sabrewings Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
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  6. euph_22

    euph_22 Well-Known Member

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    You don't want a task killer. They have the potential of doing a lot more harm than good, and with how android manages multitasking and system resources are really unnecessary.

    You want to use a task manager, like System Panel. That lets you monitor running apps and identity problems, as well as shut down anything that hangs.
     
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  7. syntrix

    syntrix Well-Known Member

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    NO!

    Most noobs kill a process that leads to other problems. Then the complain here and it takes like 1000 posts to get it out of them that they installed ATK and killed some processes they shouldn't have.

    Bottom line, you don't need it.

    I'd only use it for troubleshooting, but even so, you should have a deep knowledge of how the system works.
     
  8. jayjay1122

    jayjay1122 Well-Known Member

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    IMO No, do not get a task killer...However, I would definitely recommend something like System Panel.

    Reason being is that it offers you the ability to manage your phone, keep track of resources, phone temp and system information and yes, possibly terminating apps.

    If you have a problem with your phone not sleeping, bad battery drain, etc, 99 times out of 100 its a rogue app.
     
  9. DroidINC10

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    No you do not need one. I used to use one when I first got my phone and was worried about my battery dying. But I recently I stopped using ATK a couple weeks ago and got System Panel to monitor everything. I have had the same battery life now that I had when I used ATK.
    Point is, task killers are not necessary.
     
  10. CarbineGuy

    CarbineGuy Well-Known Member

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    Is there a potential issue with advanced task killer free?
     
  11. HappyPants

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    All you need is system panel... my phone lasts over 2 days.
     
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  12. adrynalyne

    adrynalyne Well-Known Member

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    Ok, to explain my position, that goes counter to everyone else here!


    A lot (most) people blindly kill with a task killer, and many of these processes either restart on their own, or break other things due to other apps relying on those dependencies. This ends up slowing down the phone and hurting stability.

    Someone who has taken the time to watch these processes and apps, and know what restarts, and what depends on what, will kill apps that have no business idling in the background for various reasons. This takes a lot of time, patience, and trial and error to get down what can be safely nuked and what should be ignored.

    Most common processes for a phone:
    Email
    messaging
    clock
    alarm
    voice dialer
    Sense anything!
    phone!

    These should be ignored. They are usually well coded, and well behaved.

    Services should not be stopped.

    Why stop any app? Some don't idle correctly, hogging ram, and more importantly, cpu time. This WILL slow down the phone and cause the battery to drain at a breakneck speed. You have a choice. Uninstall said application, or end it.

    Apps that have done this to me:

    Browsers
    Streaming players
    Beautiful Widgets (hanging gps)

    These are just a couple off the top of my head that I recall.

    If you are using Sense, and have Launcher Pro installed (or Plus which I have), why does it need to be running in the background, even in idle? Answer: It doesn't. Tip: NEVER use an auto task killing app, or one that runs in the bakground. Its counterproductive.

    See why its not an easy answer? If you don't know what you are doing, its better to trust your resources to the Android gods.

    My advice:
    Get a simple app called Multi Task Manager.
    MultiTask Manager - Android app on AppBrain

    Change the god awful background, set the margin to 5, do NOT enable services, and map it to your search soft key. Simply long hold search and set it to multi task manager.

    Long press will end an app. Short Press will switch to it. Scroll by swiping.

    Learn what to ignore, as you can set it in the list.

    A good place to start:


    Most common processes for a phone:
    Email
    messaging
    clock
    alarm
    voice dialer
    Sense anything!
    phone!

    If you want to go further with this, purchase autostarts from the market. Root your phone and you can set what doesn't start on certain events. It also shows you what WILL startup during certain events, which is a good lesson.


    Signed,

    Me.

    Never crashes, never has battery issues, never has slowdowns.

    Your mileage may vary, and I am more than certain most will disagree with me.

    PS--If Android was so perfect at all that it does, then we would never need OS bugfixes.

    No OS is perfect, and therefore, amendments must be made to statements like, Android does a superior job of managing resources. True, but NOT always true.
     
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    coming from an eris a task killer is debatable, on the incredible, not debatable, none needed
     
  14. gmaellex01

    gmaellex01 Well-Known Member

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    I currently have Advanced Task Killer set up to kill everything except:

    -Google Voice
    -Calender
    -Footprints
    -Pure calender widget
    -Voice Dialer
    -City ID
    -Skype mobile
    -iTag

    Am I a bad guy? At least I have the guts to be who I wanna be.

    I've tried going without ATK a couple of times before, and I'll probably try it again. For now I'm happy using it. It makes it easy to manage what's going on with my phone. It's difficult to judge how my battery life is because I play games a lot these days (Robo Defense is a battery destroyer).
     
  15. Adamx

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    read the topics, the long ones, about incredibles that won't sleep. It may not be necessary on a moto droid, but on an htc phone it is because some of their stuff is buggy and keeps the phone awake constantly.
     
  16. jayjay1122

    jayjay1122 Well-Known Member

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    Could not agree more!!
     
  17. Wickiup

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    I totally agree. I, also, use ATK and will continue to do so. There is absolutely NO reason to leave City ID, PdaNet, Maps and other apps running that I rarely or never use. If I want to use them, I will turn them on myself. If they use more battery or not, doesn't matter. I won't let them run needlessly.

    FYI, I have never had even problem #1 with my DI. No resets, no freezes, no battery drains (as long as I don't forget to turn off the GPS when I'm not using it :eek: ), no glitches. Nothing. And... my battery will last longer than a full day. With medium to heavy use I will normally have about 30% or more left by the time I turn it off at 11:30ish to charge. I usually turn it on at 6:30 AM.
     
  18. Terabethia

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    The Short Answer? No. :rolleyes:

    The Long Answer? What adrynalyne said.

    This is basically the best answer you got. What it means is this... if you don't know enough about the OS to know if you should use a TS, then you shouldn't be using one. Expecially if you are not having any preformance or major battery issues.

    IF you are seeing preformance or battery issues, your first step should be to get System Panel (or something similar) to figure out what's causing it. Then just remove the offending app. If for some reason it's an app that you just can't live without, then... and ONLY then... get a task killer that allows you to specify what you want killed and ONLY kill that one app. Assuming of course that one program isn't something that you shouldn't be killing... ;)
     
  19. PearlRose

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    I used to use ATK until I heard mentions of killing the wrong apps. A few days ago I replaced ATK and Cleanoid with System Panel. I learned that my apps have been closing themselves or doing inactive properly. Very rarely do I need to force close a game. Usually only happens when I get a call that kicks me off data and locks up the game.

    Battery life inc by approx 2 hours. Not a lot but it told me I was killing the wrong apps with ATK that when they kept restarting, pulled more battery power than leaving them running and allowing it to go inactive until needed.
     
  20. kyle1745

    kyle1745 Well-Known Member

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    I vote no, but use system panel to check to see if any apps run away from time to time.

    I have not noticed a increase in battery life since I stopped using ATK, but I also had it setup correctly with it ignoring key apps.
     
  21. jbdan

    jbdan Well-Known Member

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    Unless you have a rogue app and your not familiar (or want to be) with Android I vote for a big fat



    NO :D
     
  22. NightAngel79

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    While i feel those are valid points i must add that if you kill city id it will just restart itself every time, i.e. couterproductive. There are apps that HAVE no buisness running (inactive though) but in some cases (like city id) they will only start themselves up again. As adrynalyne said, it is a process, determining what apps you can kill without adverse effects(like battery drain from closing apps only to have android start them up again)
     
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  23. sontaikle

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    I don't understand the big argument against task killers. If you make sure you aren't killing necessary processes (ATK lets you "ignore" some open programs) then you're really fine.

    I haven't noticed any battery drain because I don't let ATK run in the background (whenever I open it up to kill tasks, ATK also kills itself). I barely use it, but it's nice to be able to just close programs when I know I have a bunch of them running at once.
     
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    FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android Geek For Me – Sprint Evo 4g & CDMA Hero
     
  25. EntropyMu

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    I used one for about two weeks, then after reading some threads I decided I'd try without it. I didn't notice any big differences at all. I think things run smoother, as my task killer would occasionally reset my background/home profile. I'd suggest not using one, unless you know you are using a memory leaking app.
     

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