UPDATE: Temp Adobe Flash workaround (WAS: Flash not enabled on Xoom at launch).Support

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  1. Proph

    Proph Well-Known Member

    really can't argue with anything else you said... however the xoom is on the verizon wireless page saying its available on thursday. i consider that an offical announcement, on the their website and not a leaked picture or anything.

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  2. Air Force One

    Air Force One Well-Known Member

    well if you use Google Chrome you can download Ad-Block and it blocks all Flash ads, while leaving Flash content in place.

    Well I hoped when I went to sleep that I would wake up and find that at least 10.1 would work. I guess not. I know others will differ with me on this, but I will not be getting the Xoom on Thursday. I don't trust Moto for ****...when I read that users here have downloaded 10.2 from the market and it is working, then I'll go buy it. In the meantime, I can see what other options come out and maybe the Xoom wifi only version will be announced....or maybe even the 3G Xoom price will be lowered. I WOULD call it the 4G Xoom, but I'm done giving Moto the benefit of the doubt. They have been shady in the whole ordeal and I don't trust them.

    I really know who to blame in all this imo and that is those lazy bums at Adobe. This is SO typical of them...I cannot believe us Android users are back to waiting for Flash compatibility...I thought that was over with! I just cannot believe Moto and Google have been touting a feature they were not sure they could deliver at launch. oh well
  3. BoozeRob

    BoozeRob Well-Known Member

    I'm not assuming anything, if flash takes two or three (or more) months I'm not going to burn down Motorola or Verizon over it. That's still two or three months faster than my iPad will ever see flash.
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  4. Don S

    Don S Well-Known Member

    Well, I see it now and it is now official I guess, thanks. I am not sure updating a web page constitutes an actual announcement, maybe so, but definitely not a good one anyway. Thanks for the tip on the site though. You'd think they's be touting this thing more ..
  5. melantus

    melantus Well-Known Member

    Heres my gripe as best i can put it into words. I didnt mind the price tag as long i was getting what i paid for. I dont beleive in the pay for it now ill give it to you later bull shit. Its an android os that has been blown up into this major deal and now were losing features for lets be real here who knows how long. So your telling me moto didnt know honeycomb would require 10.2. They only spill this crap 3 days before launch!? It stinks of bullshit and you know what i dont need this device i can wait. The way this has been handled is horrible. We wont get flash at launch, usb, or sd support then why push this thing out the damn door!? All it does is piss people off and leave bad taste in peoples mouths. So this is moto way of "offering a quality product" give me a break... With all these tablets coming ill get the xoom on the cheap this price wont last. Especially with this kinda shit going on to add more bad pub for this device.
  6. Don S

    Don S Well-Known Member

    If you don't use it much , that's cool. Nothing much to be concerned about, that's true.

    However, the fact that Flash will be coming in "Spring" is of little comfort to those of us (like me) who planned on using Flash out of the gate for several things on the XOOM. Flash is one of the distinguishing factors of the XOOM from the iPad. It has been advertised, and has been touted. And now it will be absent on launch. It is a fail.
  7. ckeegan

    ckeegan Well-Known Member

    Absent at launch, yet somehow demonstrated in at least a handful of videos. I'll believe the XOOM isn't capable of Flash initially, when I take mine out of the box Thursday morning.
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  8. BoozeRob

    BoozeRob Well-Known Member

    Look I planned on using flash out of the gate too, that's why I'm ditching the iPad for it. It sucks sure, but I'm not going to cancel my preorder over it. If I need flash in the mean time, I always have my laptop or even my Incredible.

    The way I look at it is Best Buy gives me 45 days to return the thing. If it turns out to be a massive fail of epic proportions, I can take it back and keep my iPad until something better comes out.
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  9. Don S

    Don S Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I saw your links, thanks. I hope this is all about nothing as well. I am really hoping what those videos showed was what we'll get. Then again, if THAT is true, then you have the FAIL of Moto not saying this now to stop these rumors .. Still a bad job either way ..
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  10. rushmore

    rushmore Well-Known Member

    Never thought of that. Would be handy for netbooks :)
  11. rushmore

    rushmore Well-Known Member

    Both Moto and VZW confirmed today no Flash at launch. Not sure what else to question here. Only known is Adobe stated Flash for Honeycomb would be released "early 2011", so May could even be the date in that case.
  12. Cincybearcatfan

    Cincybearcatfan Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else remember when the Nexus One was "Coming Spring 2010"? I don't think spring ever sprung for that device on Verizon's Network. Hopefully for Moto and the Xoom Spring actually comes this year.
  13. melantus

    melantus Well-Known Member

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  14. jonw757

    jonw757 Well-Known Member

    If it does not have flash... Would you rather them release it with some half ass flash implementation or a solid version after a few weeks? That being said I could not imagine how they could release it without flash.
  15. Don S

    Don S Well-Known Member

    It seems pretty clear that they will be releasing it without Flash unfortunately. And "Spring" is not necessarily a few weeks, Springs last until around June 20th or so. So it could be 3 months waiting on Adobe here. I am hoping for a few weeks, who knows though ..

    Edit: looks like a few weeks.
  16. faith4more

    faith4more Well-Known Member

    I can live without flash for a while as I did on my ipad.

    But come on Moto this must be the worse pre-launch I have ever seen. There has been negative press and confusion at every corner on what looks to be a great os and device.

    You called Apple out in the Super Bowl and this is the best you can do.

    Makes me have second thoughts about buying a Xoom.
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  17. dwboston

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  18. p8ntballah21

    p8ntballah21 Well-Known Member

  19. melantus

    melantus Well-Known Member

    Wow moto thank adobe they just saved you a sale lol. Ill buy one at launch since it only be flash less for few weeks.
  20. Air Force One

    Air Force One Well-Known Member

    Thank Adobe? Ha, that's a laugh....I'd be willing to bet money that Adobe has been promising Motorola and Google for months that they'd have a working Flash player on the Xoom in time for launch. I only fault Moto and Google for believing Adobe and not warning us earlier that this might happen. Personally, had I known that 10.1 would not be Honeycomb compatible and that we would be depending on Adobe to get 10.2 working on the Xoom in time for launch, I would have assumed it would not happen, just based on Adobe's track record.

    I have never agreed with much Steve jobs has ever said, but when he called Adobe LAZY, he was straight up telling the truth.

    Steve Jobs: Adobe Is Lazy, Blu-Ray Is Mess and Google Wants to Kill iPhone - X-bit labs

    Mark my words: this will not be the last time Adobe lets the Android community down.
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  21. rushmore

    rushmore Well-Known Member

    Adobe's problem is hardware and software fragmentation and not as much being lazy. With more powerful laptops and desktops, Flash can be more generic and chipsets do all the overlap work though gpu and cpu force. With passive cooled devices, you do not have the brute force of power, so have to be very specific on what you use to get smooth playback. The gpu code needs to be very specific and also needs focus on the actual OS and what hardware access is being allowed (with Android, there is 2.2, 2.3, etc).

    Net result is it takes time to balance new OS versions and hardware and then all of the legacy requirements.

    Not simple and requires cooperation from HTC, Motorola, TI, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Google, etc.

    Money and time are the main components.
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  22. Don S

    Don S Well-Known Member

    Amen brother. Funny thing is I was thinking EXACTLY all of this last night, I mean right down to Steve Jobs. I couldn't agree more.

    Come on now... December 7th Andy Rubin was showing a prototype of the XOOM at All things D. We know it's been almost 2-1/2 months MINIMUM that Adobe has had to tweak their software with this hardware and chipset. I know the OS has been tweaked since then, but Adobe has a long track record of being way too slow to update. And here we are again ...
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  23. rushmore

    rushmore Well-Known Member

    Agreed, but the point is the time to execute takes longer with more specific OS versions- Honeycomb is brand new and in beta a few months ago (still really is).

    A good litmus will be if the current Flash version works that does on the Gtablet. If it works, YES, they are dragging their feet. If it does not, this suggests Flash and Honeycomb must be on par for rev levels to work correctly.

    Fragmentation is the real killa' here, IMO.
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  24. maddigital

    maddigital Member

    Heres my take on it....
    Hardware was done last year.. Honeycomb availablity delayed the launch.
    Xoom is launching only 2 weeks after Honeycomb Final was provided to them by Google.
    Xoom 4G modem hardware finalized a month ago but all Xooms have 3G cards anticipating a 2010 release so rather delay the launch.. ship and sell all devices with 3G.. let some more 4G cities lite up.. offer a free upgrade in a couple months then offer 4G standard in all newly built devices.
    Adobe 10.1 player doesnt work on pre release honeycomb xoom software versions.. ( I have one) Yes, while it is in the market.. it doesnt install at least on mine.
    Adobe controls the availablity of their Flash Player.. not google, not motorola. I think they were trying to make the aggressive launch but since Honeycomb final is only 2 weeks old, there is some internal testing that has to happen before its certified.. most likely why the Playbook isnt out yet either.. flash player is not final yet...

    This is my opinion based on the info available to me.. :)

  25. rushmore

    rushmore Well-Known Member

    Fits. Also, Honeycomb is the reason the microsd does not work. Another example of fragmentation, since Moto will have to patch and map the slot. This same premise is why the Android roms that float around for different tablets will be a clusterflock for modders, since some hardware funtions will work and some not, depending on the device and rom mix.
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