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US Federal Elections 2012


  1. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Except when they don't support your military excursions?
  2. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Correction, A.Nonoymous gives what he *thinks* is what Americans care about.

    Doesn't mean what he thinks has any basis with reality.

    There are many that believe that if you are extremely wealthy, (drug lords, Private Equity Locust, etc) it's divine intervention, therefore, you mere humans have no right to question, while the want-to-be overseers of their masters, attempt to ingrain themselves with the masters of the universe (five time felony criminal convictions) Koch industries. They call it personal responsibility.
  3. ylexot

    ylexot Well-Known Member

  4. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    That may well be true. Still the point remains that he was criticizing the way Obama pulled the troops out and how fast he pulled the troops out. He was not saying Obama shouldn't have pulled the troops out at all. The article is pretty clear on that and cites other quotes from Romney clarifying his statement. These quotes and the article in general are ignored for convenience sake. The point is that when Obama takes a quote out of context in order to misrepresent his opponent's stance it's a "reasonable interpretation." When Ryan does the same thing (like he did with the plant closing thing) it's a bald faced lie and he should be ashamed of himself. Obama said the plant wouldn't close. It closed. Obviously Obama had nothing to do with the plant closing. It's a complete misrepresentation of a quote. But Ryan doing it is reprehensible. Obama doing it is ok.

    This is the problem with politics. It's turned into a religion. Anyone who opposes you is demonized regardless what they say. Anyone who agrees with you is a saint no matter what they say. We've got to the point where a candidate could sacrifice a child to a goat god live on TV and half the country would defend it. We've got a country that has some serious problems. The economy is still in the crapper. The healthcare system is flawed. Medicare and Social Security are going to run out of money. We're in debt up to our eyeballs and the only thing both candidates seem to agree on is that we need to go further into debt. But rather than focus on solving these problems it's more important that we defeat the political infidels. If you criticize a Democratic plan, you must be stopped. If you criticize a Republican plan, you must be stopped. We should be sitting down and looking at the good and the bad and picking the best ideas. Instead we want to dismiss every single idea from the other party and belittle them for even opposing us in the first place, then ram our agenda down everyone's throat. It's a religion to us. Both parties do the same thing but it's ok when we do it, but evil if the other party does. I'm growing to despise politics. But a disinterested voting populace isn't an answer either.
  5. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Actually, opinion has risen markedly. Obama has helped, if we think you are nuts its because of your federal legislature and general populace.

    Doesnt stop people watching your films and shows.
  6. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Well without a source your claim is just hyperbole at best.
  7. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    And with a source his claim would just be dismissed out of hand. :)
  8. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Poll: Obama policies weaken support for America – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

    "Opinions about the president really shape opinions about the country. When President Bush was unpopular, the United States was largely unpopular," he said. "President Obama is largely popular, albeit not quite as popular as he was in 2009, and the United States is more popular than it was. So, the face, the leadership, matters to the world."

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2012/03/10/nat-baghdad-open-mic.cnn

    Do these people seem full of hate for your Union?
  9. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    People in the US don't really care what the rest of the world thinks. That's the general attitude.
  10. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    That's an awful shame.

    EDIT: Hope you enjoyed my sources...
  11. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Sources are good, but the world liking us or disliking us doesn't affect us one bit as far as the average American is concerned. We don't see that we benefit a whole lot from our relationships with Europe. Sure you want to get along with everyone, but if there's no benefit for you, why go out of your way?

    I would bet money that the average American couldn't name half a dozen foreign leaders. By and large we just don't care.
  12. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    A legend in our own mind, no reason for data, just believe what I told you to believe.
  13. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  14. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I never claimed to be neutral. That site claims I am 93% Romney which is ridiculous since I disagree with him on so many things. His healthcare solution is jacked. His plan to add more debt is even more jacked. He's not a solution at all and I would never ever ever vote for him, but the site says I match with him. If I was forced to vote I would vote for Gary Johnson without thinking twice. The site says I have more in common with Obama than Johnson though.

    I see the hypocrisy on both sides. That's the difference between you and I. You see the Dems and see them as doing the work of the angels. Whatever they say is gospel truth. Whatever they do is righteous. The GOP are not the same. They are evil to the core. All they do is wrong. Anything they propose should be dismissed out of hand. They may do the same thing the Dems are doing, but it's wrong when the GOP does it. That's the difference between us. Is there anything about the GOP you actually like? Is there anything about the Dems you don't like? I would guess no and no.
  15. NYCHitman1

    NYCHitman1 Gun for Hire Guide

    What's Romney going to do for American students? Last time I checked, he said that the government wasn't going to help alleviate any pressure from the acquisition of debt due to student loans. That alone makes me not want to vote for him.
  16. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Not withdrawing the troops would have violated the agreement which ended the U.S. involvement. Romney wanted to keep troops in Iraq in violation of the agreement. Romney may have couched it as just a disagreement on the timing of the withdrawal, but he didn't specify when they should have been withdrawn. The withdrawing of the troops effectively ended the U.S. participation in the war. When Romney stated this withdrawal was "tragic", he is effectively stating ending the U.S. involvement, i.e. end of the war, was tragic.

    Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All US Forces were mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement signed in 2008 by President Bush.
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member


    It's not the government's responsibility to help with student loans.
  18. NYCHitman1

    NYCHitman1 Gun for Hire Guide

    I daresay that it is. Students (and youth in general) are the future of the country. The cost of affordable education is already out of reach for many. We have some of the best colleges/universities in the world here, yet those who come from affluent families are the only ones who get to attend? I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in that.

    I don't see a reason why the gov't can't step in and put a hold on interest %, so students can at least recoup some money. There needs to be some kind of reform to this area, whether you agree to it or not.
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  19. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Frankly I think its nuts that once you go the third level, education costs pretty much square themselves in the US. Over here we find it ridiculous that its $13K for a year in an English college, I mean, that is IMO the very upper limit for what anyone should have to pay.
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  20. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    I wonder if you think the same about myself.

    I'm sorry, but one can never truly find that two sides are equally bad if they are looking at things from a logical point of view.

    I mean, in the Cold War, the Soviets ****ed up, the US ****ed up, but ultimately, the US was by far the best of the two.

    Conservatives may have had some unfair economic policies. But Communists would have made everyone poor and take away freedom. etc etc.
  21. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    This is the position of extreme right wing.

    Isn't having educated citizens providing for the General Welfare of the nation ?

    I think the method of providing the means to pursue higher education has faults, but not the purpose or responsibility of the government.

    The main weakness of the extreme right wing is their view of government as evil, when in fact the government is us and neither is perfect.
  22. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Anyone want to share info on their states House and/or Senate elections ?
  23. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Government is not evil in and of itself. When it oversteps it self to the point that citizens are not being served, but instead being kept it becomes evil. If you choose to bury yourself in debt, it is not the government's job to bail you out. The feds already back student loans. What more do you want? You want them to guarantee student loans so you can get them in the first place then you want them to pay them off for you too?
  24. NYCHitman1

    NYCHitman1 Gun for Hire Guide

    Who said anything about them paying it off? I know that I didn't. I only asked to keep the interests rates what they are or attempt to lower them. That's not unreasonable.

    Either way, it needs to be easier for EVERYONE to go to college. Not just myself or those who are more affluent than me.
    DMajor239 likes this.
  25. Stinky Stinky

    Stinky Stinky Well-Known Member

    Wow I really couldn't agree with this any more! :)

    Well said duuuude :)

    You and I think alike!

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