Vaccines and Autism

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  1. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    Another side note there are companies that are way more evil than Apple and they're not oil companies. Oil prices are driven by speculators all this domestic drilling wouldn't be possible if the price drops too far. If you really want to look at evil try a pharm company. When you take your kid to get a vaccine and the doctors want to hit him with 5 or 6 vaccines at once because that's a bonus from the drug company and then your kid has a reaction like autism. You sue the pharm company but guess what? You don't get to go into a normal courtroom you get to go to 'Vaccine Court'. A court with different rules than the normal courtroom. Also these companies support university research yet to get these grants these doctors have to be willing to let the company take ownership of all their work. Yeah Apple and Big Oil are some evil companies compared to pharm.

  2. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Please . . . there is no proof that vaccines cause Autism. There are hysterical parents with kids that may not actually be autistic, claiming their little one's problem is autism without knowing because they are not doctors or researchers.

    Think of the problems we would have without vaccinations. Better yet, view this uber scientific report from the world famous Autism research team of Penn and Teller.

    Strong Penn and Tellerish language, so hide your kids:

    Penn and Teller on Vaccinations - YouTube
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  3. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    I don't think you fully understand what I'm posting; and that's sad.

    There is no proof that vaccines cause autism. But there is proof that mercury is bad for you. Thimerosal is half mercury being used a preservative in vaccines. Loading kids up on vaccines is ridiculous and unsafe. Any doctor that didn't graduate at the bottom of their class will tell you to space apart vaccines by 3 months to make sure there are no reactions.
  4. cmybliss

    cmybliss Well-Known Member

    I can't be silent on the subject of autism and vaccines. There is no factual link between the two, please stop spreading this false information. As for vaccines in general, I'd rather subject my child, and myself to them than the diseases they protect against. In this day an age there is no reason anyone should get polio, or the measles, or any of the other life threatening diseases covered by vaccinations. Again, this is just my opinion as a the parent of a child with autism.
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  5. lunatic59

    lunatic59 Moderati ergo sum Moderator

    Please remember that at Android Forums, we attack issues, not each other. Keep it civil, reasonable and interesting. Nothing is more boring than listening to other people bickering.
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  6. cjr72

    cjr72 Well-Known Member

    'On the Media' a while back had a segment discussing the rise of the vaccine and autism myth and why it persists. Here's the transcript.
  7. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I've done some research on my own and there is a very strong correlation between vaccines and immunity. My research even indicates that vaccines CAUSE immunity. Bizarre I know. Vaccinated people get sick less. Very weird.
  8. Mayhem

    Mayhem Well-Known Member Contributor

    Arguments on both sides of the fence.

    I have a son in the Autistic spectrum. I don't know if the vaccines were the cause.

    Personally, I'm more concerned about fluoridated water but that's a topic for another thread.

    /Not trying to threadjack.
  9. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Honestly, there really are no scientific arguments on the other side of the fence. The science is in. Based on our current knowledge there is no link between vaccines and autism.

    Also, I've never heard of "vaccine court". But I'm not a lawyer. Any links to sources about "vaccine court."
  10. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    Out of everything that's what you pick up on? Not that were injecting kids with mercury?

    Vaccine court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  11. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    They're not injecting kids with mercury. They are injecting kids with thimerosal. There is a difference in the two.
  12. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    The molecular formula for thimerosal is C9H9HgNaO2S. If you don't see mercury in there maybe you should stop talking.
  13. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    It's ethylmercury. You realize that right?
  14. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    You realize that the toxicity of ethyl mercury has not been studied right?

    Mercury is bad for you. That's a given. Vaccines are available without thimerosal.
  15. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    You are conflating mercury with ethylmercury. The two are not the same. Yes, mercury is bad for you. Saying that ethylmercury is bad for you because mercury is bad for you is not a logical conclusion. They are different chemical compounds.
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  16. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    I don't think you're qualified to speak on this. Do you know how compounds work?

    Here is a helpful guide: [​IMG]
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Again, you realize there's a difference between organic and inorganic compounds right? You realize that mercury and ethylmercury are NOT the same thing right?

    But all of this is really irrelevant since no one has demonstrated a link between vaccines and anything other than increased immunity. Exploring the toxicity of ethylmercury may well be a worthwhile endeavor, but there's no evidence to date that vaccines are causing anything other than increased immunity.
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  18. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Well-Known Member

    I was only a chemical engineering student until switching to petroleum. So I probably know nothing. I'm sure you don't even believe the skyrocketing rise in autism. But I guess Marie Curie didn't think her work was dangerous.
  19. ApparitionXVII

    ApparitionXVII Active Member

    I thought they quit putting thimerosal in vaccines anyway... if the mercury argument is true then we should see a decrease in autism in a few short years, yes?
  20. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Correlation does not equal causation. Mercury != ethylmercury != methylmercury. You've got three different compounds with three different sets of properties. That's just chemistry 101. You bond a substance with something else, the properties of that substance will change. There are many elements and compounds that are completely inert until you bind them with something else. Then you get something highly unstable. You can't just say that anything bonded with mercury is bad. Also, you are dismissing the fact that the link between vaccines and autism has been proposed, studied and found to be wanting for evidence.
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  21. lunatic59

    lunatic59 Moderati ergo sum Moderator

    One more time ... DO NOT make assumptions about what another member knows and keep the sarcasm to a minimum. It does nothing to advance one's position or credibility, not to mention it flies in the face of forum policy.
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  22. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I think I agree, but I am not a chemist. From what I remember about chemistry 101, you seem quite accurate. Especially the whole binding thing. I think some nerve agents work that way. Until they bind with something in your system, they are "harmless."

    I also know DDT is safe but this general lack of chemical knowledge and fear mongering is why we cannot use DDT. And Carson's silly book, Silent Spring.

    I will never forget the piece in the old OMNI Magazine. A simple collection of fruits and vegetables and other edibles. Each image was over printed with a list of chemicals occurring naturally in the said item.

    Chocolate contais thousands of ingrediants that are bad for you. Like ethylene glycol and cyanide. Nature gives us additives manufacturers would never be allowed to add to their take on the natural item.

    As for vaccines and autism, I also agree. Both sides are trying to put their points across and one side is failing. Too bad.
  23. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    They have. FDA link here. It's been removed from all vaccines given to children six years and younger with the exception of the flu vaccine.

    Nevertheless, the mercury argument is pointless at this point. The link between vaccines and autism has been studied. The best evidence we've come up with shows that there is no link between vaccines and autism. Our best research has failed to come up with anything indicating a link. If it were true that an organomercurial substance was a contributing factor to autism rates one would think the research would indicate some link between autism and vaccines. That link has, to date, not been demonstrated. In fact, the research indcates that the link simply isn't there at all. Autism rates in un-vaccinated children are the same as autism rates in vaccinated children. This was in a study that followed half a million children. Not sure how the evidence can be clearer.
  24. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Apparently you are correct. I took a look on the FDA web site and in some cases, the consentration is about 0.003% or so. The FDA requires that all vaccines reccomended for childred 6 year of age or younger and marketed in this country contain no thimerosal or only in trace amounts of 1 micro-gram or less of mercury per dose.

    I prefer to trust the CDC and FDA rather than the web.
  25. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    What about the apparent lack of autism in us old farts with mercury fillings in our teeth? I grew up in a time when the metal was used in dental fillings. Perhaps it still is used. More mercury in my mouth than was ever in my vaccinations.

    Or perhaps if there is a link might it be due to other components in the preservatives, not the mercury? My theory is many kids do not have autism. the parents only think they do.

    Or perhaps the naturally occurring mercury in some of the foods we eat? Apparently, soda, ketchup, shell fish, regular fish and bread contains mercury in trace amounts. Perhaps those oyster sandwiches with ketchup and the cola drinks parents serve their kids is why they are "autistic?"

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