we need to slap our governments down.


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  1. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    Here are a few rather interesting videos you should watch. Now keep in mind it is rather lengthy to watch them all, but it is more than worth it.

    Intro: I've been following this guy off and on for a while now. He brings up some very interesting points, and has the proof to back them I've done my own research to verify, and I suggest you do the same. Don't take my word, or his word for it. Look for yourself, and look hard. And before you let the fear of disbelief immediately dismiss this information, think deep down, and after doing your own research come to your own conclusion. I think this guy is on to something, and the word must be spread. We need to pread the word while we can. There may be a time where we wil have to stand up to our respective governments. Nonviolently if possible, but violently if we must. well, watch the vids.

    YouTube - The Anti Terrorist on H1N1 Part 1 of 4

    YouTube - The Anti Terrorist on H1N1 Part 2 of 4

    YouTube - The Anti Terrorist on H1N1 Part 3 of 4

    YouTube - The Anti Terrorist on H1N1 Part 4 of 4

    In closing, I suggest you look at his other videos. It reveals some pretty scary stuff, and most of it is verifiable. Good luck everyone. Buy your guns. Store your food.
     

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    Thanks man, I haven't laughed that hard in years!
     
  3. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    before dismissing it so quickly take some time and do the research.
    .your the type of person that is enabling the elitists to take totalitarian control over the population. Its ok though.you were raised that way. Break ffree of the mass media.
     
  4. Hangdog42

    Hangdog42 Well-Known Member

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    Bite me moron. I'm a biologist and have investigated this horseshit more thoroughly than you can possibly imagine. But instead of relying on masked men quoting from secret leaked documents that can't be verified, I rely on peer reviewed science published in open scientific journals rather than on propaganda spread by the lunatic fringe.

    When you go get your guns and ammo, don't forget a psychiatric appointment.
     
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    Out government is about to be slapped down big time...by being voted out of office on May 6 :D
     
  6. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    Obviously you haven't researched enough, or your common sense gene is missing. Pick one. How do you explain the ever increasing censorship iof the internet across the globe eh? Or the propaganda that is the global warming myth? You think governments do do this kind of research? To think otherwise is niave, at best.

    Do the research.
     
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    Global warming...I see it not so much as myth but more as "the jury is still out".
     
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    Depends upon which jury you listen to. Among climate scientists, there isn't so much debate. For everyone else, there seems to be this need to reach a 100% consensus, which isn't going to happen.


    I've done plenty of research to satisfy myself. I've also learned that getting critical information from masked men on the Intertubes is usually a sign of feeblemindedness. For most people, that stuff between their ears isn't there solely for structural purposes. For you, I'm not so sure.
     
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    Depends upon which jury you listen to. Among climate scientists, there isn't so much debate. For everyone else, there seems to be this need to reach a 100% consensus, which isn't going to happen.


    I've done plenty of research to satisfy myself. I've also learned that getting critical information from masked men on the Intertubes is usually a sign of feeblemindedness. For most people, that stuff between their ears isn't there solely for structural purposes. For you, I'm not so sure.
     
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    Slug Check six! Moderator

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    Enough of the cheap jibes and playground insults, please. Either debate/discuss like adults or not at all.
     
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    I'm more a believer in climate change than not but since a bunch of climate scientists in the UK got caught trying to stitch up and selectively release data I've tended to be a bit more skeptical.
     
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    Sure we have global warming, just like we go through global cooling...it's a natural cycle of the planet. That's not to say that human's are helping speed it up by our contribution to green house gases though.
     
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    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    True and untrue. Did you know revent volcanic activity has put more carbon in the air than man has in all of recorded history, by an exponential amount even?

    , or stop doing, is taking out the vegetation though.

    And I'm not telling you to believe this guy, or me. He doesn't even want you to believe him. He's just pointing in a general direction, and it does make sense.

    Do you really think labs haven't created and released frankenvirus'?

    And voting new puppets into the office isn't going to help. As long as they are all shaking hands, its like the same person is in office with a name change. This is also why I oppose digital voting. On paper, there is at least some way to ensure the vote is realy counted. Digitally however, how do me know the votes aren't just made up? Or even tampered by hackers?

    All it takes is a good look at the world around you. People are told what to buy, and they buy it. Most of them don't even know why they bought it. People blindly vote for a certain candidate running for office out of blind loyalty to a party. All this is conditioning, a subtle version of mind control.

    Scientific journals? Please. Most scientists are on who's payroll? Oh yeah, the governments, and big business.

    Do you guys want to know why I like google so much? They (seem) like an uninfluenced company. They are shaking things up. They even recently released a report about requests for search censor ship, against government "reccomendations". The scary part? The usa and uk, two of the most "free" nations in the world, requested censorship the most.

    And look at all this new legislation that is making more and more people dependant on government for survival. And the move for one world government. Does the thought of a world dictatorship not scare anyone else?

    And people are welcoming it like its are savior!

    Remember this, a government that can give us everything we need, and also take it away.
     
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    momoceio Well-Known Member

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    Actually, a good portion of research comes from universities. My wife is a biologist as well and I work at a university. I've done many research papers and 99% of the sources I find are from college research. I just don't buy into all of the conspiracy theory stuff.
     
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    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    That's the beauty of the whole thing. I'm not asking you to buy into it. It is good to question authority. Some of the brightest men in history questioned authority. All I'm asking is to look into it. Look past the surface. The "bot buying conspiracy theory" is exaclty how they want you to think. Its how you've been programmed to think by mass media, by portraying everyone who questions authority as insane and wearing a tin foil hat. Just like whenever someone thinks of"satan" or "the devil" they think a beast with horns.

    How are we to know what "satan" looks like? Want to know why we portray him as such? Propaganda. Let me explain. During the rise of christianity, paganism was the leading religion of the day. Well the king, decides he wants to be christian, so everyone had to be christian, that's just how it was back then.

    So, witchcraft has to be replaced with chrisitianity, but we don't want people to riot? Right? So what to do. I know! Let's paint it like witchcraft is this terrible terrible thing, and we are saving the people from it! Yes! So what's the first thing we do? Let's take the main pagean god/deity, and turn him into a bad guy. But we have to give him a different name. And guess what the head honcho of pageanism looks like? You guessed it. A beast, with horns no less. So they hire artist to transform and make this thing look soo soo terrible. Which is a bit ironic, because in the bible itself, it says lucifer (satan) is abeautiful creature, being an angel and all that. So back to the story.

    Now the kings men who are enlightened, are saving the people from this horned beast! They are doing everyone a favor! Let us protect you! And the image of the devil is born.

    This very kind of propoganda is spread every single day. And if they were able to accomplish what they did with the portrayal of the devil with just word of mouth and some hand painted parchments, imagine the damage being done by mass media, able to immediately influence everyone at the same time....

    Now like I said. Do the research for yourself. don't take my word for it, and certainly don't take big business's or governments word for it.

    -Regards.
     
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    An angel who rebelled against God because he though he could do better...or something like that. </off topic>
     
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    Most of the politicians I know are in it for exactly the reasons they put on their manifestos; usually wanting to make the world a better, fairer place for their constituencies, and often for everybody else too.



    Now replace
     
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    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    Uh...no. This is completely wrong. For someone who keeps telling people to do research I suggest you take your own advice before posting more incorrect, and infact absurd, statements.
     
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    Prove it. One instance where a laboratory created and deliberately released a virus into the general population. And no, masked men with unsubstantiated accusations from the Internet don't count.

    Actually, if you know anything at all about science, or how it is practiced, very little he says makes sense and it is obvious most of it is either completely fabricated or is taken so out of context as to constitute a lie.

    Which goes to show exactly how little contact and understanding you have of science and scientists. On average, scientists are some of the most cantankerous people there are, largely because they have been trained in critical thinking and relying on reproducible facts. Both those traits are almost entirely missing in the general population.

    Please, somebody, anybody, explain to me how making health care more generally available and affordable is making people more dependent on the government. And as for one world government, puuuuuhhhhleeezze, that is the biggest fiction there is. There have been conspiracy theories about some group or another taking over the world for centuries, and in all those centuries, they haven't managed to pull it off. Which leads to two possible explanations:

    1) There is no shadowy group trying to take over the world
    2)There is a shadowy group trying to take over the world but they are completely and totally incompetent

    Either way, we don't have much to worry about.
     
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    I guess it depends on the mind as to what may boggle it, but while your's may be boggled, I assure mine is not.

    Yes an amount of politicians get caught doing something they shouldn't, but exactly what amount is it? as a percentage I'd say pretty small, do you disagree?

    And of those getting caught taking 'kickbacks'; how many are doing so as part of the grand global conspiracy?

    Basically these are the same people that'd be stealing CD-Rs from the office stationery cupboard, or getting dined by sales reps offering 2nd rate prices to the company they work for, they're human, but they're in the spotlight because of Public office.


    You mean the ones doing nothing wrong? Yeah, must be loads.
     
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    Wow there are just so many wrong things here that I wont even get into this debate. By the way, don't mistake "research" for "study". Researching is like doing the whole scientific method, and studying is looking and analyzing other people's works. Too many people of the general public get those two words mixed up. Be very careful where you get your material also. You can easily go onto a website that looks very scientific, but actually isn't at all... or they're an organization or institution that is heavily funded by a certain group of people. As an environmental science & management student at SPEA (School of Public and Environmental Affairs), let me just tell you to ummm... be careful with your... "research".

    Well I guess I will say one thing... why is it that when there's a big breakthrough for skeptics with the whole Climategate scandal, everyone knows about it... but when there has been many, many instances of scientific dishonesty from sources such as Exxon Mobil, no one in the general public even blinks an eye? There are just so many similarities between this whole climate change debate [which is really just a debate amongst the general public (not saying that there is a tiny group of skeptics who are scientists)] and the debate whether or not smoking causes cancer. There were doctors and scientists from the awful industry that came out back then that swore that it did NOT cause cancer... boy how deceptive they were.

    If you have ever actually studied any scientific field (and not like Biology in high school), you would immediately know that there are so many problems, but I am assuming that you haven't, so you don't really have been "trained in the art of scientific thought".
     
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    Vihzel Destroying Balls Everyday VIP Member

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    Thank you. Yes there have been conspiracy theories since FOREVER. Now when will one of them actually turn out to be true? Will there by a "shadowy" group that takes over the world during our time? By 2100? By 2200? The Masons were thought to be one of those groups and we know that not to be true... or is it... dun dun dun. As for healthcare, I still have my healthcare insurance and umm... am not threatened by the government to change.
     
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    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator This Topic's Starter

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    It's amazing how quickly you guys dismiss the matter without a second thought. Oh well. Your loss, really. Looks like they have the sheep trained well.

    Whats the word for it? Oh yeah. Naive.

    I said, "Look into it"

    You say, "No, the government doesn't lie! Thats absurd!" :rolleyes:

    Ever stop and think why these politicians spend millions on one campaign to be a senator? No, it is not for the greater good.
     
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    Same thing can just as easily be said about you...lol. It has nothing to do with us being naive...rather we've chosen to look at facts. Topics like these aren't really easy to research because all the info comes from whack jobs.
     

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