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  1. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's right. The Evo LTE / LTEvo / El TEvo Hasn't even been released yet, and I'm asking you, what do you predict will be the next EVOlution?

    Up to this point, there have been essentially three EVOlutionary devices
    -- The EVO 4G - The FIRST 4G Phone to hit the market. In addition to EVOlutionary specs that still compete in the market 2 years later.
    -- The EVO 3D - The FIRST 3D Phone. With both 3D display and 3D recording, it was an EVOlution that jumped on board the new 3D wave that seems to have proven to be more than just a fad. And again, packed with industry leading specs.
    -- The EVO LTE - The FIRST HD Call Quality Phone. I've been surprised that this hasn't been played up more! But then again, this is a feature that is completely subject to positive network externalities, so we won't see its benefits for the first few months unless we call fellow LTEvo owners. And of course, the LTEvo comes with mouthwatering specs.

    So I ask, what's next? EVO has set the standard for Speed, Camera Function, and Call Quality. In what ways can you imagine next year's EVOlution taking shape?

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  2. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Sorry, but I have to say that we cannot proceed without recognizing the real Evolution heritage.

    My phone can print money so I can buy a private island and then transform into a jet and fly me there.

    There. NOW we can proceed.

    The next Evo will be modular and allow us to buy it with various options and option bundles, just like a new car, so no one need complain about how they didn't want to pay for something.

    And it will be the Evo with a transreflective display, first phone ever.
  3. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Well, simplest upgrades I'd assume would be next = Quad-core processor, more RAM, more internal storage, no soft key buttons (just more screen to account for on-screen buttons), bigger battery (w/o sacrificing size).

    Other than that, not sure what else can be done, unless it's a completely different form factor.

    Like these
    ADmented Reality - Google Glasses Remixed with Google Ads - YouTube

    or this (although, it'd be cooler if it functioned like the glasses)
    Android Watch Phone - VEGA WiFi Android Watch A World's First, By 3gWatches.com - YouTube

    I personally would love phones to eventually be virtual in the same/similar concept as the Goggles, without actually needing the goggles. Something like Minority report cpu, but without needing gloves either...LOL:
    Minority Report - Precrime Intro - YouTube
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  4. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Like this?
    Iron Man 2 STARK PDA - YouTube
  5. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

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  6. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    That would be cool with three screens. A 2-screen attempt has been made already with the Kyocera Echo. From what I hear, it didn't fair too well...:eek: If Kyocera hadn't botched it already, I think that the 2-screen setup would have been a great venture for next year's Evo.

    Then again, does EVOlution really need to be something that is appearing for the first time? Just because evolution left us with an Ostrich that can't fly, doesn't mean that there can't be other birds that take flight. Both are results of evolution... Maybe it just takes HTC to get it right?:rolleyes:
  7. dan330

    dan330 Well-Known Member

    first flexible screen/phone..
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  8. Orion

    Orion Well-Known Member

    More likely Samsung will have the first flexible screens before HTC will.
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  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

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  10. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Holy crap! That's amazing!

    Building on the above, I want to see a modification of it...
    A 3"x5" phone (or smaller), that is actually two separate pieces dividable longways (inside one piece is the battery, and inside the other is the rolled up screen), and when the two pieces are connected the phone is solid and has a small screen to see caller info and other basic stuff. Then, you can disconnect the pieces, pull them apart, and the screen will pull out, extending to something around 8"x5" in size.

    The question is how to support the screen once it's rolled out? In any case, it wouldn't be just a phone or a tablet, it's the HTC Evo Scroll ;)
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  11. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Alternative to that (I'm recycling this one, apologies if you've seen it before) -

    There is no screen - only a normal phone keypad on the front and a few-lines LCD, like the old StarTac

    Turn the phone over - flip it open - now a pico projector displays onto the flipped-open screen and a laser keyboard and mouse appear on the lower surface.

    The screen itself could unwind like a movie projector, the flip part could be as little as a wire frame.

    Flip it all the way back, to cover the keypad - and the pico projector will now display onto any surface you've chosen and optionally the laser keyboard and mouse projects to the desk where you've propped the device.

    And that's what would make it a true Evo - kickstands to do the propping. :)

    Otherwise - very '60s design thinking. :D
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  12. novox77

    novox77 Leeeroy Jennnkinnns! VIP Member

    While we're on this future-thinking thread, this is a MUST read:

    A Brief Rant on the Future of Interaction Design

    It's very enlightening (and to some extent is a criticism against Apple for painting a big picture of innovation when really they just made a pretty package around a human-unfriendly interface).

    for those too lazy to read: it basically says that the touchscreen is a transitional technology, something we should evolve away from quickly. Or hands are so capable that it's such a setback to think that the future of interacting with our technology is over a numbing piece of glass.
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  13. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    damn... good read, and i have to say i've been lecturing this to my non-geek friends for quiet sometime now. they always say stuff like man i can't wait till walls are tv's and windows too... that's great and all but i'd rather get past having to touch a "picture behind glass" to do something. i want to pick something up off my future phone, i want to grab it and lift it out of my phone and drop it onto my friends phone to share a file... why not, that's how the physical world works, if i'm reading an article and he says "what are you reading" i want to pinch it off my phone and toss it onto his so he can read too, this is the future i want, physical interaction beyond touchscreens.
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  14. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Sounds a lot like this groundbreaking technology
    Paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :p
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  15. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    it does, and that's the great thing about it! its not hidden behind a glass. if i'm reading an article on my phone, its ATTEMPTING to act like printed press, buts not, i can't throw it away, i can't pick it up, i cant hand it over to somebody else... its simply NOT what it is trying to be. and that is where technology needs to evolve.
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  16. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Very nice article. I'm wondering where it could go next though? The article seems to stress the incredible amount of versatility that we have with our hands, but there is little to discuss possible future options, or more importantly, other limitations.

    Covert_Death painted a very interesting picture of grabbing a file from the phone and throwing it across the room to a friend (reminds me of Iron Man again, where Tony Stark grabbed the digitized schematics of something, balled it up, and threw it in the trash/bullseye). This would be a great and fun technology, but practically speaking, why? We can already bump our phones together to share files, or send them via text, bluetooth or email. So as a method of sharing information, it doesn't seem especially beneficial. This leads me to think that the benefit - of interacting more 'in depth' with our technology - must be in our ability to increase efficiency in retrieving, sending, and sorting information.

    If someone suddenly did create a new technology that allowed us to interact with our hands in ways that were much more versatile than the current 'picture under glass,' that could be nice. However, we would still be severely hindered by our abilities to intake, output, and most importantly, process, information. When it comes to the digital materials, the input to our brains is always going to be through our eyes, no matter how much we try to incorporate our hands into the game (unless of course we go matrix-style, directly jacking-in our brains). Looking at the lines on the screen is quite a well organized and efficient way to observe information, and the 'picture under glass' is readily transportable and functional.

    As I see it, there's really only two stages remaining. Holographs replacing the glass, and direct "matrix" input. The former will not greatly increase our ability to intake or process information (IMO it will mainly improve organization). And the latter, I guess that would help with everything... but that's also a hands-free game.
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  17. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    when it comes to recieving information yes, it'll still be typed and "under glass" because thats just the way we work. even cave men did it this way, they drew on walls... there was no physical aspect to interact with, it was just your eyes and that's not a BAD thing... its when we do more like interacting with EACH OTHER or SHARE things that this becomes severely limited...

    have you ever wished you could kiss your loved one but couldn't because you were on a phone call? that sucks, thats the barrier that our current "idea" of technology creates. i'm not saying i want to make out with my phone but having a conversation that is meaningful is more than just words, its interaction, and people who are away on buisness trips or whatever should still be able to have meaningful conversations with those far away.

    another point you touched on was "why" because your right, we already have ways of sharing digital media, why add another?! because when you want to share something not digital, like a toy, you don't have to say to yourself "okay now how do i share my toy soldier with my brother? do i mail it to him even though he is only five feet away???" no, there is no thought even involved, you just simply hand it to him. we are intuitive like that, we just know how to do simple things without thinking, and sharing is a simply thing.

    when i previously mentioned picking it up off my phone and tossing it to my friend i'm also not thinking of my phone being like what we have today, i'm envisioning "holographic" 3d interaction. that's what makes it so tempting to just pick up and toss to someone, its physical (or seems physical because it has all three dimensions that "real" things have) and should therefor be able to work like physical things work, therefore breaking down that barrier that "digital" things have.

    the digital age is great, it truly is, but it is limiting... so so limiting. you can only see and hear them, and maybe use gestures to interact, but thats NOT the same as feeling. as the article mentions feeling is the forefront of our interaction with the world and therefor to make things better, we need to feel them, and as we feel them we should be able to manipulate them as we do other things we feel that AREN'T digital.

    i like the picture he has of the piano app on the iPad... its great right? i mean you can actually play a piano! but you can't, you can't close your eyes and FEEL the keys like a real musician plays the piano... when i play the piano my eyes are shut %75 of the time if i have the piece memorized, i can't do that through glass, i have to feel the ridges as i slide my fingers across the board when i go up an octave, i have to feel my fingers rest between the black keys, INSTANTLY knowing what note my fingers rest on. you don't get ANY of this on that app and therefore becomes meaningless, you'll never actually PLAY the piano on the ipad, or any screen, you'll simply fool around with it for a minute or two pressing your finger on glass as it makes different notes. its good for giggles and thats it. typing is the same way... what can't i feel what key i'm pressing when i type out a text, why can't i feel the raised edge on the F and J keys? i certainty can't text with my eyes closed.

    the worst part of all this is that we leave the blind completely out, you HAVE to have your eyes to use today's technology... thats crap in my opinion. blind people should have every right to play angry birds that you and i do. they should be able to feel the slingshot and the stretch of the rubber band as they pull the bird back, feel the target so they know how far to pull. why can't they enjoy technology? is it only for us that have %100 function of all our bodies? they seem to have adapted to the rest of life pretty well without being able to see, they can walk down the street and do a million other "normal" things without their eyes.

    the best example i have i see every day.

    my girlfriend hates her phone, she has an inspire 4g (good android phone), but she is not tech savy at all (as MOST people are, she is quiet normal) and therefor gets frustrated with her phone when it doesn't do what she wants. she shouldn't have to understand her phone, her phone should understand her. she shouldn't have to learn to use a certain menu in an app to get something done, it should be obvious how to change something. when she wants to send me a picture she found while surfing the net on her phone she just hands me her phone, which works but she should be able to just flick it over to me so i can see it and then we both have it.

    the less we have to think about how to use our technology the better it becomes. for tech people like us its already easy, but tools (as mentioned in the article) are supposed to make things even easier. you shouldn't have to read a manual or have someone show you how to use a tool, it should be natural, even if its the first time you've ever seen it. in my head, i think the perfect technology is something that you could send back in time 500 years and they would know how to use it.

    /end essay on passionate topic haha
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  18. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    Gotcha. That is definitely something that I had not thought about. The interaction not being about increasing the amount of info received, sent, or processed. But rather, changing the interaction for the purpose of significantly reducing - or completely eliminating - the learning curve. No learning to swipe, text, navigate menus, or use preconfigured gestures. Just natural movement to interact. Nice. :)
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  19. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

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  20. novox77

    novox77 Leeeroy Jennnkinnns! VIP Member

    The author of the article I linked to did have a disclaimer that he didn't really have a viable alternative to propose. But rather, his point was to inspire us to think about something grander, rather than settling on a transitional technology.

    If he is able to reach out to a few creative, motivated individuals, we could see the evolution of technology take a leap, sparing us all from the stagnation of picture under glass, which as he points out is where all the current 'visionaries' are depicting. There are a few Corning videos showing the same thing. But of course they'd push glass :)

    Speaking of 'glass,' the google glasses would be one such leap in interaction... And it focuses on the eyes rather than the hands. That's real innovation.
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  21. simcha

    simcha Well-Known Member

    I could envision a tiny chip being implanted somewhere under the skin next to the skull that would emit brain waves that interact immediately with the brain and vice versa. The chip could communicate with the visual cortex, the auditory cortex, the cerebellum, etc. We would be able to see, hear, and physically interact with others miles away though the chip. We could read a book by walking to a virtual shelf, choosing a virtual book, removing it from the shelf, opening it, and even have the experience if holding it and turning the pages with our hands, actually feeling them, while hearing the page turn. It would be a truly virtual world we would experience fully with all of our senses. The phone, computer, radio, stereo, television, etc. would be replaced by a virtual experience of interacting with people and data. We could buy tickets to concerts and attend them virtually. You could virtually taste the items on a menu while experiencing the decor of a restaurant before choosing to go there.

    That's what I call an evolution.
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  22. Sauske

    Sauske Well-Known Member

    This here my friend is what I call master control! (Irobot) lol!
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  23. dan330

    dan330 Well-Known Member


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  24. simcha

    simcha Well-Known Member

    Yes, of course anyone can turn technology to any propose.

    And, yes, like the matrix but you are in complete control of your experience.
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  25. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    how you gonna guarantee that? i thought i was secure from companies like carrierIQ then out of nowhere i find out it's been on my phone all along...
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