Why does Apple have to be so mean and greedy?

Do you think Apple is greedy?

  1. Yes

    39 vote(s)
  2. No

    5 vote(s)
  3. Don't know

    2 vote(s)
  4. Other (post)

    2 vote(s)

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  1. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    The thread can continue as long as rude people stay out of it. I would be quite sad if it turns into a fight that solves nothing. Sure, Apple is disliked by some and some feel Android is heaven sent to crush Apple. Somewhere in the middle are logical arguments for either POV.

    I only ask for examples to support one's view that Apple or Android is bad.

  2. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Perhaps you can start hammering other corporations that say the same things? I agree with the commercial. Not an untrue word in it. They are here to promote Apple and like I said, nothing misleading in the entire spot. Android seems to say the same things, essentially.

    In the end all that matters is if you are happy with your purchase. The consumers decide the winners.
  3. Doit2it

    Doit2it Well-Known Member Contributor

    First, let me preface this post by saying I'm in no way an Apple fanboy. I have never owned any Apple products, and don't plan to in the future. At one time I wanted the iPhone, but the fact that it was only on AT&T kept me from purchasing. Once Android exploded (the Verizon DROID invasion) I never looked back.

    They are a company. I don't know any company that's goal is to NOT make money. And remember, Apple employs over 35,000 people worldwide. Part of the money they make goes to paying their employees and those people in turn contribute to the economic community.

    Kind of a vague statement, but I'll respond with: If they truly didn't care about the consumer, they would be out of business. While I agree some of Apple's business practices (yearly incremental upgrades, higher than market prices) appear that they don't care, the market still supports those practices.

    Quality product, good support, and the elitist factor. I personally think there is an elitist factor in owning an Apple product. That keeps people coming back, and paying the extra cash for that "privilege" of owning an Apple product. Whether Apple's marketing or the media and word of mouth factors influenced this, Apple is one of the lucky companies to have a product people continue to want.

    I've answered these for the most part. And Apple products are no way inferior. That's not to say they are superior, but they do produce products that the consumer market continues to support.

    The only thing Google develops that opposes Apple is the Android OS vs the Apple iOS. Nothing else. Google doesn't make phones. That being said, neither OS is necessarily better, just different. My opinion: Apple iOS is a simple, stable OS that anyone can use and has a short learning curve. Android OS is a more customizable OS which may require a deeper involvement by the owner to take full advantage of the options available.
    By the way, technically Apple's iOS is free too. Apple doesn't charge Apple money to put the iOS on the iPhone. Of course they won't let anyone put it on their phone, but that's Apple's choice to keep things "in house"
  4. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Apple is just doing what MS does. MS is taking Office to subscription and Adobe is doing the same with their products just to lock people in.

    The major thing I have against Apple is Quicktime. It grabs every media file to itself and then you have to go and reassociate files. (When you use professional audio editing in a business, this is really a pain)

    The major complaint about Windows - I couldn't get what the EU got. No IE.
    I can't get rid of stuff in XP like movie maker, scheduler, OE. I don't use them, don't even want to SEE them.

    What I hate about all companies is assuming. MS is trying with that stupid "good time to be a family", Apple assumes that everyone buys into their whole line of marketing, and Android, (either phone mfg or carrier) decides what kind of junk we get on the phone.

    I know it's demographics, but a lot of people are now lying as some stores are finding out with lack of sales. A new article will be touted, and it sounds good on paper, but when the article is actually marketed, there might be caveats that prevent people from buying, price may prevent. So the store loses.

    At least you can root Android. While you can Jailbreak an Iphone, you still have to go along if you want Apple's goodies.

    I never found using an Apple computer that difficult - Photoshop looks pretty much the same in both Windows and Apple. (Screen resolution was different at the time)
    But what drove me nuts was where Apple saved stuff, and no file extensions. I never could find a file that I lost, so all the files I ever had cross platformed were either obscene or profanely named so I could find them. Professors were warned. Most thought it funny.
  5. gallandof

    gallandof Well-Known Member

    my biggest issue with apple stems more so from steve job's personality and business practice, he is just an extremely aggresive person. (i know many other business men are but since it's apple he gets the most press about it). Also, and I think this makes me dislike the brand more, I can't stand the typical Apple fan. I think they are doing more harm to the apple name than anything else, So many people are completely brainwashed (apples just doing their job any other company would do the same thing) and refuse to even listen when something negative is mentioned about their device. It's almost as if technology is the new religious following and people take it as seriously too sometimes.
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  6. notme123

    notme123 Well-Known Member

    You're completely right about their fans. I call it "Appleitis". They become completely brainwashed. :mad:
    They're always so hard to work with because they're stuck up about Apple's products and don't want to hear anyone else's opinion.
  7. Roze

    Roze Hiding behind a mystery VIP Member

    It's not overprice if there are people willing to pay for it. It's all about supply and demand.

    If they price it at $2000 and have X number of people buy it. We do see that there IS a market for Apple products. You and I might not be in the X number, but there are a lot of people that buy an Apple product just because of 1) the prestige and 2)the quality they perceive they are getting.

    The iPhone 4S and high end Android phones are priced pretty similarly around $650-700.
  8. dan330

    dan330 Well-Known Member

    yes.. totally .. supply vs demand .. if there is a demand..

    I also agree that some of apple's ethics are not cool with me.. and I choose to look elsewhere for my needs.

    But in the world of business... apple is a very good corporation doing a very good job of what is expected by the STAKE-holders.

    can you believe there are people out there that will pay $45k for a Rolex watch? or a $million sports car?
  9. SolidOrange

    SolidOrange Well-Known Member

    I am fully with you on live and let live. My personal opinion of Apple should not affect anyone else's decision to purchase one of their products.

    I totally agree that the iphone is the best device for some people and that Apple can put anything they want in their commercials, whether I think it is misleading or not. i am not trying to "hammer" them, just explaining the issues i, personally, have with their marketing practices. iphones are great for the "color by numbers" crowd who wants to be told exactly how to use their device. they are easy to understand, generally fool proof, and the learning curve is not nearly as steep as it is on an android device. i am happier being able to change nearly every aspect of my phone, but also understand that there are many consumers who would be just as happy to never change anything.

    also wanted to add, i do not think apple is more "greedy" than any other corporation. i don't think they are "evil" for wanting to make money, as that is why they exist. i am glad we have such stiff competition in the market place to keep innovation moving. without iOS, android would not be what it is today and without android, iOS would not be what it is today. in the end, buy what makes you happy, whether that be android, iOS, or even WinMo! :eek: ;)
  10. CharlzO

    CharlzO Well-Known Member

    My views on Apple, are mixed. I don't disagree with the quality of the product. One of the most trouble-free phones to date from a reliability standpoint, very big fan base, and does what it does very well. Is it slightly behind on some aspects and features? Sure, but it hasn't stopped it from selling well. However, I won't own one. I don't dislike it. But I am not a fan of iTunes. Never was from day one, when you had to have their proprietary file formats and junk. Left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I do believe their app store to be a little more junk-free, but that's because the developers have to pay to get their stuff there. It's not open for just anyone, which is kind of a shame. If you want to appeal to the masses of iPhone users (of which there are gazillions), you're gonna pay Apple to do it. Makes them money, and customers don't usually care how they get the app, but it does hurt a small percentage of devs, I'm sure.

    I also know Apple is very aggressive. I mean, it was just recently announced that they had gone to get patents on the slide-to-unlock features. Which basically read as "hmmm...what features are Android phones using that aren't patented, that we can go get one for to stop them from doing it again".

    Personally, I think it's a little brutish, but, they're a company, they're out to make the most that they can while providing a good service. And, being so aggressive hasn't yet hurt them in any capacity, so I don't expect it to change any time soon.

    But then again, I'm a pretty easy-going guy, who is more likely to get along with people than conflicts. So a lot of me says "Damn, Apple. Can't you just focus on putting out new products, make it the best you can, and just stop giving so much attention to what Google and others are doing?". But, it's a competitive market, and you don't stay on top of the heap by watching others climb by.

    I can't really agree with the statements made about their products being inferior and overpriced. I mean, I really don't. You look at the iPhone 4S, 32GB, and it's the same price point as the competitive Droid models out (RAZR, etc). And to be honest, if you were to hand someone each phone, and ask them to tell you which feels better built, I'm betting 95% of the time, they'll say the iPhone. Does it mean that the RAZR might not have better features in some way? (screen size...), no. But it doesn't mean the iPhone is inferior. It might have a smaller screen. But that also means it's more comfortable for most people, and easier to carry. Screen size isn't always everything to everyone. That's just the one example to use, but still..

    I mean, Apple makes a good product. They found a market with the iPod, and never looked back. They have the Tablet Market, and it's said that Windows 8 on tabs will be the only thing that might really have a shot at even seriously denting that market. The iPhones have a huge following, and when you look at the familiarity between the Apple lines, it's hard to argue. If you have Apple stuff, you're more inclined to stay with it. Personally I don't like the way some things work, but that's my choice to not like it. Doesn't mean it isn't good. Just means I don't like it myself.

    That's the beauty of choice, my friends. Choose not to like it, and move on, instead of bashing other peoples decisions.
  11. Chrome Cat

    Chrome Cat Active Member

    I'm on the fence with this.

    People are under the guise that they get what they pay for and American culture lives above it's means. If we're presented with "free" vs. "$1,000" then naturally the "$1,000" MUST be better! With that mentality, we become superior to those around us because we have the best and can afford it.

    On the other side I have dealt with iTunes, iStore, and iPod and I grew very accustomed to it. My husband bought the Zune when it came out and neither of us used it past a month. I still use my iPod/iTunes years later. I think they give customers ease of use and purchasing. I think Apple has a LOT of good ideas and seems to be the one to initiate.

    Bottom line: I think they're prices are too high. But also, I like and admire what they have to offer as well as their products.
  12. Roze

    Roze Hiding behind a mystery VIP Member

    I think my total dislike for Apple is iTune. I hate hate that software with a passion. It's so damn locked up that I can't access the contents on my otherwise computers without it resetting the iPad :/ I had to reformat my laptop with the iTune account that's associated with my iPod. Which means I am forced to reset my iTune account.
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  13. notme123

    notme123 Well-Known Member

    iTunes is the most annoying software on the glob. :mad:
  14. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    There are iTunes alternatives, just sayin'
  15. notme123

    notme123 Well-Known Member

  16. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    Sony used to be in this position not so long ago....new personal stereo, had to be Walkman...new TV, had to be a Trinitron...new computer, had to be Vaio...new games console, had to be a Playstation...and so on.
  17. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say they are greedy but they are a for-profit company, so yes, money is the main objective. Apple also have a sorta of cult following of users who will buy any and all things created by them. I assume it is enough followers to help maintain their profibility.

    I would say they do make some pretty good products but mostly for a niche market. I do own a first gen Mini Mac that I have setup with my 37" HDTV and it works great.
  18. Sak01

    Sak01 Well-Known Member

    Apple is no worse than most companies out there. I haven't seen any reasons in this thread (or the many other threads) which would make me dislike them in particular.
  19. onyx916

    onyx916 New Member

    LOL have you seen their commercials lately? They basically call their fan-base stupid. Plus, Apple invests NO time/money into consumer research. They don't care about the customer, just their wallets.
  20. ravenas

    ravenas Well-Known Member

    When I saw those Apple Genius ads I laughed so hard. It looked like they'd been punked by one of the nightly talk shows. Oh dear, what is Apple thinking these days? First they get themselves a ton of bad PR asking for injunctions against popular phones (which get over turned), then get slapped by judges for their lawsuits only to double down on the mother of all lawsuits against Samsung.

    Their next grand act is to bombard the Olympics with ads that make Apple users look like idiots who need to rely on the help of a sycophantic teenager?! (The soon-to-be-dad ad was the worst of the lot. Guy's wife is in labor and he wakes an Apple Genius, who sleeps in his uniform, to ask how to print a birth announcement instead of taking pregnant wife to hospital. HUH?!)

    Compare that to Samsung's Galaxy S3 commercials. The one with the relay athletes passing off photos with NFC are the best.

    If Apple's not careful they will lose their coolness factor quick. iPhone 5 better have one humdinger of an upgrade to dazzle the masses. Something Android has not already done.
  21. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    I voted yes, but I think every company that markets excessively the way Apple does is greedy. This includes most that sponsor TV commercials.
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  22. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    EVERY company does things for money. What do you expect Apple to do? Give stuff away? Development is costly and no guarantee they will have a successful product.

    If they make a million iPhones, they want to sell a million iPhones. And they do not want you to purchase Android devices any more than the makers of Android devices want you to purchase an iPad or iPhone. Why do you think this is so strange, greedy, evil or bad?

    It isn't, it is business as usual for Apple, Android, Kodak, 3M, Harley-Davidson, Wally-Mart and you, if you owned a business.

    Apple is quick to sue people for infringing. but that is their DUTY. They have a responsibility to go after infringers. They owe it to their stockholders and to the health of their corporation. Yes, I'll give you that perhaps Apple owns patents they perhaps should not have a "right" to own because on the surface they seem silly to the casual observer.

    Perhaps rather than bash Apple for suing, one should bash those that knowingly infringe. If you ever try to get something patented, you must do lots of research to make sure nothing in your design infringes on someone's IP.

    Still, Apple does own these patents they want to protect, and they are doing exactly what hundreds of other corporations do: they protect what is legally theirs.

    And they must do this. Do not blame Apple for their patent protection. Blame a patent system that should be looked at and perhaps changed.

    I want every reader to buy my books. I do not want them to purchase your books. That is perhaps greedy, but I hate that word. Do not confuse greed with desiring success. Sales is how a business grows.

    I never thought Apple was greedy; they are good at what they do. Apparently, the 150 billion or so they have earned proves the consumer is happy. Forget the Fanboy; Apple did not build their business catering just to rabid fans. They sell to average folks who happen to think Apple does tablets and phones better than everyone else.

    Hells Bells, their iPhones alone outsell everything Microsoft sells. We call this success, not greed. This speaks to marketing prowess and their ability to win the consumer's dollars. Just like EVERY other business in existence, marketing is a big part of how business succeeds.

    Apple does not create inferior products. Get over that idea. Better yet, cite a few examples to prove your case. The iPhone is no better or worse than an Android phone, just different. And ditto, Android.

    As for Google and their "free" products, they did not release Android as a free product. They see potential and their goal is to make money. Granted, the Android OS might be free, but Google sees profits from every Android device in existence, one way or another.

    If Apple released iOS to other phome makers, chances are good you would see lots of other phones running iOS. Especially if Google charged for the Android OS.

    Google is always looking for the next dollar. If you want to call Apple greedy, fine. but Google is just aware of the bottom line as any company, including Apple, the company you clearly hate, sans any logic or reason.

    When I bought my iPad, there was nothing out there in Google Land. In my opinion, there is still nothing on the Android side worth my attention. And I am not saying an Android tablet is inferior to an iPad. I'll soon purchase an iPad 3 because there is nothing I can see is as nice from my POV.

    As for prices, when you compare the cost of an iPhone to some Android phones, you might see less cost; in some cases, you can get a free Android phone. But it really is not free and the lower cost comes by way of a 2-year contract. You are paying for a costly phone. Android devices can be almost as expensive as Apple's iPhone.

    If you do not want to pay for the expensive devices, stop complaining about how expensive they are and simply avoid an iPhone or iPad. You sound like someone complaining about the high cost and "what a ripoff.." the Corvette is compared to a Volkswagen because the 'Vette is so costly.

    Vote with your dollars rather than call the iPhone a ripoff. I'll soon take delivery of a super cheap phone called an iPhone. the cost is lower because I am not tied to a contract.

    Seriously? You think advertising means you are greedy? There should there be a limit to how many ads a company should run in your view, right?

    Perhaps the AF should limit the number of ads any advertiser is allowed to run on the AF site. I see far more Android ads than Apple ads. So Android makers are greedy?

    Generally, manufacturers run as much advertising as they can afford. It is how they get the word out. Not greed, just business as usuall and how it has been done for more than a century.

    Apple will release something cool. It might not be a new iPhone or 7-inch tablet, but using history as a guide, (and assuming the Apple magic did not die with Steve) Apple might do something "insanely great."

    We do not know Apples future. We do not know much about the iPhone 5, and we do not even know if a $149.00 iPhone is in the works. What we can assume is Apple often changes the game.

    I look forward to Apple's next product.

    Apple is a success and therefore, a target. People complain about Apple and praise Android, yet they really do not know much about either device. They react and often parrot what they read on the web.

    I love Apple. They are a fabulously successful American company. They are well run, their products are first class and many on the Android side hate it without knowing why or being able to cite examples to bolster their mantra: Apple sucks, Android rules.

    They complain about the Fanboy, all the while forgetting that there are plenty of Android Fanboys, too. They complain about Apple's lawsuits without knowing why they should be upset. They only read that Apple is quick to sue without understanding why Apple sues.

    This is a discussion that will never die. People hate Apple and love Android. On an Apple forum, the opposite happens.

    In the middle are millions of consumers that vote with their dollars and go Apple over BB or Android. Not every one of them is stupid and clueless idiot or a fanboy. When you say you prefer an iPhone, you are called names.

    Oddly, the biggest complaint I see is the Apple Fanboy. So we are criticizing Apple for loyal fans and their ability to create great products and their marketing ability? Other manufacturers should be so good at their jobs.

    I have tried several iTunes alternatives and I went back to iTunes. I am not sure how many iTunes alternatives let you download previously purchased apps, video and music like iTunes does, but I m happy iTunes/Apple allows it.

    Does anyone know if this feature is a part of any alternative "iTunes?"

    All I need to do is click a button and select the files I want to reinstall. I can do it from the iPad or my PC.

    Most users that experience iTunes problems likely need to read the help files. When you use it for awhile, everything becomes second nature.

    At last, a post I can largely agree with.

    I bought an iPad because at the time, all Android tablets were crap. That was some time ago and clearly, Android tablets are getting better. The iPad was the only choice, so it is/was not an opinion.

    I will soon go with an iPhone because I like the product, it is easy to use, the build quality is second to none, it is an American product, I am not tied to a costly contract, and I have lots of apps I paid for, so it is silly to go Android. And I love my Triumph, so I will not be bashing Android.

    The iPad screen is amazing and the device is fast. Besides, I am in love with Siri. She turns me on, but that is for another thread perhaps.

    People often look at the costs without running the numbers. You are correct when you ask people to consider the cost; lots of people with 700.00 + smartphones walking around. They think their phone was free, but no, it cost them as much or more than an iPhone.

    Many people would never be able to afford a smartphone if the cost was not subsidized. Clearly, most here would stop upgrading their phones or switch models if they paid for the phone upfront.

    My pending iPhone will be far cheaper than most smartphones owned by most AF users, I should think.

    Just look at the cost of most Android phones purchased without a contract. Not a no-contract device, but a device purchased without the "required" plan. The Samsung Galaxy Note from AT&T is $600.00 with their no commitment deal. Cheaper than my pending iPhone.

    And we need to define "overpriced," too.

    My iPhone will be cheaper than many Android smartphones, but also more costly, if I went with AT&T or Verizon or whoever else offers the iPhone. My preference for a no-contract phone makes it possible to save money by not being tied to an evil carrier contract, so over all, I save money.

    That said, if I went with Android sans a contract, I would also have a cheaper phone than many gathered here.

    Inferior is not a term I would use with ANY smartphone these days. On either the Android or Apple side. Just opinions often based on what someone reads on the web. Sometimes, haters will say either side is crap. Both sides offer great products, period.

    I can find plenty of reasons why Android stinks; I can find many reasons why Apple is better. If I were totally clueless, I might assume the Apple folks are right about Android and the Android folks are right about Apple.

    Then it is back to pagers and 10.00 dumb phones.

    Apple has always treated me right. How can you say what you say? Care to cite specific examples to prove Apple mistreats the consumer?
  23. pancho32392

    pancho32392 Well-Known Member

    Watch the movie of Steve jobs I don't know when is gonna come out but its gonna talk about him and the company all I know is that Steve jobs hate IBM and maybe MICROSOFT and other companys maybe and Steve jobs wanted to create something different and easy and that's what he did he innovate soo many things or make things better the iPhone was the first phone to be full touch screen and super easy to use soo all the people that have android should really thank TO STEVE JOBS AND HIS COMPANY think about it and tell me why do you hate apple you should really know of apple history

    And oh yeah apple is not mean and greedy look how Manny company suing apple ..? That's just mess up apple sue company back too because they have a reason its ether they copy there product or some other things
  24. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Not sure I understand you, sorry. Are you saying many are suing Apple and Apple decides to sue those who sue Apple because Apple holds a grudge?

    Apple likely sues because someone violates Apple's rights. Suing people is costly and I doubt Apple sues until they have a legitimate reason to do so.
  25. zapjb

    zapjb Well-Known Member

    You know you're old when without a doubt M$ used to be the evilest company. Now MS is a distant 3rd behind Apple & Google. And I never would have thought I'd say this but Bill Gates & his wife are funding wonderful charitable projects all over the world. To the tune of over 10 billion dollars USD at present & will eventually give away over 45 billion dollars USD. Now that's what I call making amends for harms done. How much has Apple & Jobs given away? Yeah I know he's dead.

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