Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by Crude, Jun 23, 2010.
Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire - KansasCity.com
Whoever burned his trailer up only helped his argument. Some (most) peoples ignorance amazes me...
Apparently, the incendiary farmer is a recipient of government welfare, according to a local newspaper blog:
The Raytown farmer who posted a sign on a semi-truck trailer accusing Democrats of being the “Party of Parasites” received more than $1 million in federal crop subsidies since 1995.
But David Jungerman says the payouts don’t contradict the sign he put up in a corn field in Bates County along U.S. 71 Highway. “That’s just my money coming back to me,” Jungerman, 72, said Monday. “I pay a lot in taxes. I’m not a parasite.”
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Ayyyyup. Welfare stinks, unless you're rich and getting it, eh.
This man doesn't create the farm subsidies for his land and crops. That is done by the govt. and is for all farmers. It is ludicrous that some liberal journalist would try to discredit Mr. Jungerman that way. As a private business owner producing baby furniture and as a farmer he not only produces far more than most people do, he also creates jobs and benefits the community. The liberal parasites he spoke of must have felt guilt at being called out and let their tolerance turn to their more normal state of rage.
As a side note, I know of people whose cars have been vandalized because they had a "NOBAMA" bumper sticker or similar on their car. Even during the election some had their cars vandalized because of their McCain/Palin bumper stickers. The party of tolerance never fails to prove their tolerance only extends to those that agree with them and think just like they do.
Or unless you don't understand what a "crop subsidy" is... he isn't on welfare. He's not sitting at home with his thirteen kids, with a welfare cellphone, selling dope out of his living room.
Without subsidies, these farmers would go broke in times of price dips for their crops and would have to close shop.
Agricultural Subsidies are one of the few government handouts that I DON'T mind paying for...
Conservative economics is so confusing to me...conservatives favor the free market uber alles except when...they don't.
Thus, agricultural subsidies and, of course, all the other kinds of business welfare, through which we taxpayers do our best to assist our needy corporations.
Better than liberal economics... make everyone broke so we ALL have to live off of welfare.
See how I can go to the extreme as well.
Welfare can't be all that bad...what with all those corporations lining up at the public's trough.
Umm, if farmers didn't receive these subsidies, YOU would be paying $15 for a can of beans. This is something I fully support.
There is a difference between "welfare" and government subsidies.
Welfare is for an individual, subsidies are not. The idea of welfare was a great one until those on it decided that they don't ever want to get off of it and will go out of their way to ensure they never get off of it. A very large percentage of people on welfare have no intentions of ever providing society with anything whereas the companies that are taking government subsidies (welfare, if you like that word better) are providing society with something.
You can call them what you wish if that is what you need to suit your liberal agenda but they are not one in the same. Not even close... and I understand that government subsidies are sometimes abused but when a hardcore liberal such as Obama dumps millions of dollars into bailout plans and drops a 6 month moratoruim on deep water drilling in the Gulf... we really can't question conservative economics... can we?
Welfare as you think you know it is practically non-existent today. If you are seriously disabled, in addition to SSI, you might get a small payment from your state or local government.
There are still, of course, subsistence payments to help maintain the children of the impoverished. If you want to take these away, you'd best have a plan ready to go that will maintain these kids.
I can certain question "conservative economics." It's pretty much what has ruined this country and its middle class.
Now that... is a riot! Go talk to the 300 people that live in the section 8 housing down the highway from me. There are entire communities that are surviving on government checks. I don't know what part of the country YOU live in but across the river in New Orleans... it is apparent that welfare "as I think I know it" is there in full force.
The problem isn't the children, it is the parents that teach the children that they don't have to do anything and will receive a check at the beginning of each month. You are living in a magical little bubble if you don't see that this is still going on today. Just recently, there was a story in the paper about a man who was denied his welfare check for some reason and he stated in the newspaper "they can't take my check away, I've been on welfare for 43 years... and my mom has been on it for 80!". Yeah... it doesn't exist.
You can question it... you can also daydream about a pet unicorn... but it doesn't make your opinion any more real than that flying, horned equine!
For your information, unicorns don't fly. I resent that hate that people spew about these mythical creatures. You act as if daydreaming about them is a bad thing. Should I go back to my fantasies of kicking whoever designed the keyboard for the Droid in the junk?
Dream? Why would you dream about such a thing... this needs to be done... for real.
Wait what? Take a stroll through the Chicago Projects and I dare you to find someone who is NOT on welfare.
So I am rather uneducated on the history and laws surrounding welfare but I thought that the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act limited you to a total of 5 years that you can be on welfare in your lifetime.
lol @ five years...
Well thats what the law says...
Then you are probably familiar with the name Sharon Jasper! The welfare queen of all welfare queens. She can work but refuses to, gripes and whines that her Section 8 housing isn't good enough, and says she is being abused because her 60" HDTV isn't a plasma. Jasper says it is "pitiful what people give you."
Jasper also is proud of the "legacy" she is leaving her children, raising them that they don't need to work and they should live off of welfare, like her grown children are doing.
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Someone needs to repo that shiz and sell it on ebay for tax money
That's for federal welfare. The states do their own thing. If you want to understand welfare laws, ask someone who is on it for longer than that limit. It is a career for some and they know those laws better than anyone.
That makes me wonder, which is more profitable: putting that amount of effort into getting an education and working or scamming the system?
Yeah, and Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law is unconstitutional (because we all know illegals have rights man... and they are covered by the constitution...)
I know what the law says... but I also know what is really going on.
Actually the law says that states have the rights to shorten the amount of time that people receive welfare.
If its a state thing then I'm surprised that there is any extra welfare in the southeast...
Yeah, the states have a lot of latitude when it comes to social programs. That's how it should be for many things.
welfare that isnt limited to those in desperate times and nees and isnt limited in the amount of time people can get it just needs to go away... you refuse to make something out of yourself the go f*** yourself. its not our responsibility to fuel your laziness.
i've seen section 8 housing here in the phoenix areas. homes i couldnt afford myself being handed over to section 8 residents... those homes and neighborhoods have been completely wrecked.