Why is Windows Mobile considered bad?


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  1. Droidmaniac

    Droidmaniac Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    With heavy heart, I have to send my Droid back since, even though Verizon shows that I should get great service in my area, I don't.
    They sent a tech out to confirm. Even tried an extender.

    So I'm back in the market, considering trying Nexus One with TMobile.
    Coming from a Motorola Razr, these are my first "smartphones", so I'm learning a lot -- especially from you guys.

    I love the Android platform, but then again, I'm new and the Android platform is all I'm familiar with.

    In researching other phones, I always see how WinMo is talked down upon, as if it's inferior, BIG TIME.

    What about it causes so many to not like it?
     

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  2. brykins

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    Two main issues with WinMo phones:

    (a) the OS is always too heavy for the hardware. From the days of the earliest mobile Windows devices they were slow compared to rivals. That's still, I think, the case. Too much lag, too long to open apps.

    (b) they always need the stylus. There is (or at least used to be) two versions of WinMo - one for phones with keypads and didn't require touchscreens and one for touchscreen devices. The touchscreen ones never managed to do away with the stylus and you always had to resort to it for text input at least.

    In their defence, there's a lot of good software out there, they are generally pretty stable (they need a reboot once per day but then apart from an iPhone, I haven't yet had a smart phone that didn't - Palm, WinMo and Android all do), and they sync really well with Outlook either by cable or, in a lot of cases, OTA.

    I'm seriously considering looking for a WinMo device to replace my Hero is the 2.x upgrade isn't here by April/May.
     
  3. Droidmaniac

    Droidmaniac Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    Ok, makes sense... That big HTC HD2 caught my eye and rumors are that it might be Windows 7 by the time it hits, supposedly in March. It looks pretty good in the video reviews, but in many occassions I would hear the reviewer state "how much sweeter it would be if it were running Android".
    Now I see the "HTC Supersonic" right around the corner... a big phone, like the HD2, but running Android. Hopefully that won't be too long of a wait.
     
  4. TheBrit

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    I have come from using WinMo for several years to Android.

    To add to what has already been said, WinMo is very powerful but unfriendly with it. If you're techy that's not much of a problem.

    I love Android but I must admit I do miss the close integration with OutLook on the desktop. Still, the way the my Android HTC Hero syncs with OutLook via the cloud works very well for the calendar but does not support tasks.

    Android is getting better and better. We will have to see what M$ offer for WinMo 7 as that platform is long overdue a major overhaul.
     
  5. Unclebill

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    I've always had problems with WINMO ... constant reboots and my favorite was when the phone would freeze when I got an incoming call ... pull the battery ... boot up the phone ... find out who called ... return the call. What a PITA. Sorry, but this happened on two different WINMO phones, two different manufacturers over a period of three years.

    I've had my Droid for over a month ... haven't turned it off yet. (Why would it need a reboot anyway?)
     
  6. Crude

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    Conflicting software causing you to miss calls, having to run task manager everytime you are going to stick it in your pocket, incredibly laggy....The Droid is my first Android phone and it took me 25sec in a Verizon store to decide it was a better platform then the winmo I had used for 4 years. Now that I gave up WinMo I'm actually about ready to give up MS altogether. Linux is a better OS for computers as well as hand held machines.
    This week I got a late chirstmas present, a 7.1 headset for my xbox. Only problem is I cannot use it and HDMI at the same time because MS designed it so that you HAVE to purchase their HDMI cable. The most I've ever payed for HDMI was $6, their "special" cable is $50. They might as well slap an Apple label on that POS.

    Why is this significant? Because MS has been saying for 2 years now that winmo7 is right around the corner. For that matter 6.5 came out almost a full year after they said 7 was in the works. And it was late at that. I'm not sure what the deal is with MS. Their windows 7 platform isn't nearly as stable as they say, their xbox fail rate is around 80-90% in the first 2 years and winmo is at least a year behind everyone else and they HAD A HEAD START!?!?! The only reason I still have MS is because I'm too lazy to switch over....but I'll find time this year. I know I complain about apple overcharging but MS sells a new windows/office combination every 3-4 years. And it costs you $300-$600 PER computer.
     
  7. togakangaroo

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    I had a T-Mobile Wing with WinMo for over a year and while it worked great for the first two months it was downhill very rapidly after that.

    Lockups were certainly a problem, especially when receiving phone calls. It was nifty that they included a task manager but it would frequently fail to shut down applications. Also the built in internet explorer browser was ... well ... internet explorer. It would work ok when you ran Opera, but of course that has all sorts of other problems (for example links by default still open in IE no matter what).

    The stylus wasn't all that bad, but certainly a problem if you tend to lose such things (which I do).

    Honestly the operating system just felt horribly sluggish. I am currently on a blackberry curve and even though I gave up touch-screen support it's a huge step up in terms of usability. Still not ideal though. I plan to move to a Droid phone within a few weeks.

    As for WinMo 7. Windows 7 (regular) is great and I have some reason to think that the mobile version might actually be just around the corner. It will not necessarily be all that much better though, I'm certainly going to wait.
     
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    I used to own a WinMo PDA about 5 years ago. I used it for light couch web surfing, portable dictionary, and other small tasks. Having used it for about 2 years, I couldn't imagine having a phone with that OS on it. It works fine on a non-phone PDA, but I would never trust it with critical tasks like phone calls or SMS messages. It just feels like it's gonna crash sooner or later. It was almost like Safari on 1st gen iPhone - you never know which site will load and which site will crash. The fact that it's so unreliable and unstable is what kills it. I hope WinMo 7 is better, MS needs to come out and join the smartphone party.
     
  9. Shaygate

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    i think the real message here is try a phone with Windows mobile as the operating system and you will soon see we all love Android ! Mind you having owned a Nokia 5800 for a year which runs on Symbian if you really can;t get a Android phone that works well try a Symbian phone, (theres plenty out there).
     
  10. SamuraiBigEd

    SamuraiBigEd Under paid Sasquatch! Moderator

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    Having had both, I still say WinMo is a good platform if you are even slightly technically proficient. Here's a quick list of my experiences with it.

    With the Touch Pro I could do almost all touchscreen tasks with my finger, there were a few things that required a stylus. The OS is still not "finger friendly", but WinMo 7 is supposed to change that.

    It boots way faster than my Hero.

    I did have to reboot, not daily, but at least three times a week.

    Never had the phone lock up answering a call. Did have what I found out is a tower problem, not a WinMo problem as I was led to believe. The phone would ring, I would try and answer, it would disconnect, ring again, repeat till I rebooted the phone. I had numerous Android and iPhone users tell me it was a WinMo problem till my neighbor who has an iPhone said the same thing happens to him and ATT said it has something to do with the tower, and I talked to other Sprint customers who had the same problem with dumb phones.

    I did have lock ups, but mine tended to happen in the wee hours of the morning so that my alarm would not go off. I can probably count on two hands the number of lock ups I had during daytime use over a one year period.

    I heard plenty of complaints about slow opening apps, I did not experience this problem, and in fact, opened faster than my neighbors iPhone.

    Seamless integration with Outlook, contacts and calendar (what else would you expect since they are all MS apps). I can't get HTC Sync to install, much less play nice with anything.

    In a nutshell, I think a lot of the negatives you hear about WinMo are based on hatred for MS. I have a number of friends who have it and have no major complaints. I do love my Hero, but the Touch Pro was a more business oriented phone, which is what I use a phone for, I have no games installed on my Hero other than Solitaire and Ethereal Dial Pad (something to entertain my granddaughter), never will add more. My phone is a work tool, plain and simple.

    If WinMo 7 is the home run a lot of people are predicting, I may switch back. Till then, I am going to enjoy my Hero.
     
  11. cdl

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    I have a Nokia E71 and I think it's pretty good. I sync my google calendar (not tasks, though) with google calendar using Nokia Mail for Exchange (free). I don't like the built in email client, but bought Profimail which is great: it connects via imap idle to my mailbox and I get true push email. Battery life is good, more than one day always using imap idle. The screen and the keyboard could be a bit bigger, but the phone is one of the smallest around. I hate the fact that contact groups are managed poorly and cannot be synced to almost anything.

    It is not true that all smartphones require constant rebooting: my Nokia doesn't.

    The main problem with synchronization is that different systems tend to have different fields, especially for contacts, and it isn't always clear what maps to what. I tried to find a mapping table for the different systems but I couldn't. If you sync between two "similar" systems (e.g. Android to google contacts, Outlook to Windows Mobile) there is a higher chance that (almost) everything will be synchronized correctly.

    Back to Windows Mobile. Two years ago my company replaced Blackberries with the Treo 750v running WinMo. Everyone, and I mean everyone in the company hated IT for that! Terrible battery life (less than a day), confusing menus, pretty buggy... Before that I owned a Motorola MPX 200 in 2003, and it was the worst ever: it hang constantly and it deleted all my data 3 times!

    Back to your point, my understanding is that WinMo made some progress since then, but not too much. Don't get one if battery life is important to you. However, it might be a good idea to get one if you want good sync with Outlook or Exchange and don't want to pay for a Blackberry enterprise server and the associated data plan.

    What are your priorities? If it's not for business use and you don't have hundreds of contacts to keep track of in groups, a Nokia could be a good alternative, too.
     
  12. miamicanes

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    I had two WinMo phones before my Hero (PPC6700 and Touch). Out of the box, few phones are more completely dysfunctional than a phone running Windows Mobile. HOWEVER, if you spend a few days installing the right thirdparty apps & extensions, and tweak it heavily, they can be decent.

    Like Android, most phones running Windows Mobile are about 2/3 as fast as you're likely to want them to be.

    The first app you install should... no, wait... MUST... be "S2U2". A Windows Mobile phone without S2U2 and touchscreen that can activate in your pocket is a disaster waiting to happen. If Microsoft had a picogram of common sense, they'd hunt down the guy who wrote S2U2 and make him the lead developer for WM7. That's how utterly essential S2U2 is.

    Another worthwhile app even though it's not free is "Winterface" by Vito Tech. If it doesn't come for free with your phone, spend the thirty bucks and buy Opera Mobile, too. It blows Internet Explorer away so badly, it's not even funny.

    It might sound funky, but if it has a resistive screen, discreetly shape the nail on your index finger into a flattened, blunted triangle. It doesn't have to be really obvious or anything, just a gentle bit of a tip on the end. Then you can forget the stylus for 98% of your tasks, and just use your fingernail. I did it for years, going all the way back to my Samsung SPH-i300 in 2001. Speaking of styli, though... spend the ~$20 or so and buy a 3-pack of Seidio telescoping styli with pens inside. Even if you don't need them as styli, it's always handy to have a pen available to sign checks with and stuff.

    Finally, check out xda-developers.com. If you get lucky, you might be able to have your cake & eat it too... a phone that comes with Windows Mobile that can be trivially booted into Android using HaRet. No commitment required... it literally boots Android from a zipfile on your microSD card without affecting a single byte of your phone's native flash. I don't think the TouchHD2 has a viable Android port yet... but I put the odds at at least 50% that it will by the end of the year :)

    That said, there's one scenario almost every WinMo user comes to hate that seems to happen once every few weeks:

    (ring)
    [press green button to answer]
    (ring)
    [press green button again]
    (ring)
    [press green button REALLY HARD, once or twice.]
    (ri--- silence)
    [violent profanity that can't be printed in a family-friendly forum]
    (voicemail indicator)
    [blood pressure spikes to potentially lethal levels... phone comes within ~40 milliseconds of being smashed onto the floor in rage...]

    Fortunately, that hasn't happened with my Hero. Yet. ;)
     
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    I just didn't feel like there were many useful apps. The ones that did cost more than I thought they were worth, although I'm not an expert. And I had a terrible phone that many were not compatible with anyway (my fault, I bought a Blackjack II... I just wanted something simple). The nice parts are the Outlook sync and compatibility. But I wasn't using the phone for business so this is not as important. I can manage my personal contacts just fine via Google and it all syncs nicely on my N1. And then it syncs with my Facebook contacts and it's just a much nicer system I feel. How open and free you are to customize and trick out your Android phone helps seal the deal. The multimedia usage is the icing on the cake. I could go on, Android just dominates WM in almost every way.
     
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    Well, as much as I hated WinMo, I'd add that you should consider posting to Windows Mobile specific forums. It will be easier to find people who still like the OS, or who moved from other systems to Win Mo. While I'd never get WinMo again, it's always interesting to hear the other side of the story
     
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    Haha yes, both of my treo phones did this once every 10 calls. One was palm, one was Winmo. Oh god the frustration.
     
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    Obviously did not read my post, this problem has nothing to do with WinMo, I have seen it on iPhones, Palms, Blackberrys, and even a few dumb phones. This has something to do with the tower apparently, not the OS.
     
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    I think that MinMo sees itself as a BB competitor, a system for business devices ... for people whose phones are bought by IT departments. For the rest of us, the platform just means too much system overhead and a less-than-intuitive interface.

    And it's market share and mind share are both dropping. There are actually people expecting the MinMo platform to disappear in the next few years.
     
  18. IOWA

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    That just shows you didn't bother to learn about winmo. Android is still a far cry from dominating winmo. Winmo has 10x the customizability than android, and no rooting required. Winmo even has widgets etc. Multimedia? Winmo programs have had flash capability for over a year. Everything android has winmo has. Now winmo7 is going to ne interesting. If they make it a bit easier for the layman, I feel it will be a solid competitor. Also outside the recent hd2, mnftrs haven't made decent hardware, and just blah. Now I like android, and it has potentional. But as an os it still needs much work to be done. Honestly id be running winmo still if they made an updated device, or even webos if the pre wasn't garbage.
     
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    ill make it easy, WiMo, is a PC os PORTED to a PHONE, android is a PHONE OS. it is like games made for consoles ported to PC, they always suck compared to the console, they just never feel right and don't work correctly
     
  20. cdl

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    For example, what can you do with WinMo that you can't do with Android?

    And how about stability and battery usage? A Motorola MPX I had in 2003 crashed almost every day, and even deleted all my data as many as 3 times! If 2003 is too long ago, let me consider the Palm treo 750v with WinMo my company replaced Blackberrys with about 2 years ago: we all, and I mean really all of us, got very very mad at the IT department because the battery lasted less than half compared to Blackberrys, the phone froze very frequently and usability was almost non existent.

    Has WinMo really improved that much since then?

     
  21. IOWA

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    Wow... just wow. The misinformation is mind boggling. The above quote should be disregarded. Winmo is not a windows pc os port. Its based on windows ce, a MOBILE OPERATING SYSTEM.

    Now as for stability, maybe you should have gotten an htc device, I dunno. I had to reboot every day yes, but the same goes for android. I've had my moment lock up several times, it happens. Now it seems you were using older versions of winmo... I started with 6... so I'm not sure if you had experience with that or not. Now on both my mogul and tp, my battery would generally last the whole day. But once again, more misconceptions here, you can't really blame battery life wholey on the os, it mostly has to do with the hardware, which microsoft has nothing to do with.

    Now for winmo functionality. First off, a major argument against iphone, and for android, is customizability. Well, winmo is extremely customizable. They have every ui you can think of. It can look like android, iphone, blackberry, and 100's of original ui layouts. You can even change the color of the notification bar. Second, cloud AND local sync options. Local sync is invaluable!(tmobile sidekick anyone?) Full exchange support, great task managing solutions, office mobile, flash support,(skyfire etc), better copy and paste, better file management, ability to run apps on the sd, ability to store files on the on board memory, better email management/sync, better IM clients(the windows live is simply amazing, nimbuzz ain't bad either), 100s of thousands of programs, (yes they exist, you just need to find them), not to mention the xda dev team. The list goes on.

    Did you happen to read that post? You can even turn your winmo phone into a wifi hotspot. And once again, your confusing hardware with software. Wifi is hardware! Both my htc winmo devices had wifi. Winmo also has skype etc so I'm not sure why you call nokia more advanced. Winmo has almost the power of a full fledged pc os, vs the limited phonne os.now it seems your personal experience is with palm, and the just don't make good phones. Look at tge pre, great os, terrible phone. And if u had att or verizon its even worse, as they horrible mutitlate and cripple winmo, as they do all their devices.go take the hd2 for a test drive at tmobile and you'll see what I'm talking about.
     
  22. cdl

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    My treo had WinMo 5.something, so, no, I never tried 6 myself. But, having had such bad experiences with all previous versions of WinMo, I'm really not inclinded to take the risk and spend my hard earned money on a new version of the same OS.

    Oh, and did I mention that the Treo couldn't be swicthed off? You had to take the battery out! Great when you fly! I'd like to meet the genius who designed it!

    As for battery life, my point was simply that WinMo devices tend to have a shorter battery life than Blackberrys and Nokias, and I'm not basing my statement on the Treo only. To be honest, I don't care to what extent it's due to the os and to what extent to the hardware, as the final outcome is the same.

    I know preferences are subjective, but if in a whole company not a single person liked the Treo, and they were all mad at IT for replacing the Blackberrys, it must mean something! I'm sure there are better WinMo devices than the Treo, but still...
     
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    For me, what WinMo gave that Android does not (without rooting anyway) is Wifi tethering. The OutLook intergation was better too via USB.

    The thing that Android does better is the Cloud. My outlook calendar syncs with my phone OTA and this is just brilliant!

    Android is more stable but I still reboot most days out of habit more than anything.
     
  24. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

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    Well the battery issue nokia/bb vs winmo/android etc is apples and oranges. I really don't consider bb a true snartphone by todays standards. More of an advanced messenging phone. With more features,(touchscreen, more powerful hardware etc) comes more power usage ergo less battery life. Its like comparing the fuel mileage of 90's cars v8 vs 4 cylinder... one has great power, but sucks up gas, other sips gas, but feels like driving a golf car.
     
  25. cdl

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    Let me rephrase that to be more specific, then. All WinMo devices I know of have a shorter battery life than similar devices used in similar conditions but running different operating systems. This is my experience, that of the people I know, and what I read on all forums, reviews etc.

    My Motorola MPX200 used to last less than 20 hours in standby. I mean, in standby, no call, no data connections at all! Too old a mobile? Then let's consider the Treo 750v. It used to last less than 24 hours in standby, with only a data connection on. If I turned it on on a Saturday morning and left it on a table without ever using it, and without receiving a single text call or email, it would be dead Sunday morning, lunchtime max. By contrast, my Nokia E61 with Blackberry functionality would last 2-3 days with heavy email usage and moderate phone usage. My Nokia E71 lasts about 1.5 days with moderate email usage and moderate web browsing.

    Now, unless someone can explain to me that the two WinMo phones I had had very poor hardware and that short battery life was due to hardware and not WinMo, and that WinMo made sooooo much progress since I last used it, I'm still inclined to think it is a very poor operating system.

    I appreciate that, for example, the Motorola Droid/Milestone, with a much larger screen that my Nokia E71, will tend to have a short battery life. But the Treo 750v and the E61 had similar functionalities and screen size, yet the difference in the battery life was just incredible.

    I hope I made my point clearer now. I was not comparing apples to oranges.
     

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