Will Motorola Make A Photon II LTE?General

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  1. simcha

    simcha Well-Known Member

    I just posted my question in the Motorola Support Forums in the Motorola Photon 4G Community. Let's see if any of the Motorola Support Forums moderators know anything, or if they'd be willing to leak something there.

    Thanks for all of the info Drex. I'm supposed to be working today but I'm busy googling to try to find out anything about a possible new Motorola LTE smart phone on Sprint. I'm coming up with nothing, no matter what search method I'm using. The stuff you're finding is really great stuff... Now if it translates into a Photon II LTE... :thrasher:

  2. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    As of right now, the speculation on the MB886 does look like ATT, since the benchmarks posted has ATT also.

    Nontheless, the "Electrify Icon" seems to be the closest to a Photon 2 that I've found. I'm just hoping Sprint's numbers for the Photon weren't so low that they decided not to continue putting out Motorola superphones. My experience with Motorola has just surprised me so much and the call quality can't be matched on any of my past HTC devices. As much as I liked HTC, there's something about Motorola that I just like better (aside from all the added accessories).
  3. simcha

    simcha Well-Known Member

    I know, that's why I'd be tempted to jump ship from Sprint if they don't come out with a Motorola LTE Smart Phone at the end off my Photon 4G contract. I really like Motorola now. I'm very tempted by HTC's latest offering but I really think that Motorola is top notch now. The radio is a #1 priority and call clarity is up there too. For me, these smart phones are first phones and second computers. They need to function excellently as phones or I could just get a computer or tablet. I really hope we hear some good news from Motorola/Sprint. I just don't know what I'll do if Motorola and Sprint are done. It might be the final straw that makes me end my 13 year relationship with Sprint.
  4. twospirits

    twospirits AF's janitor Moderator

    Actually it wasn't even Asus that came up with the idea. See AlwaysInnovating.

    While I know its tempting to jump ship due to a device that may be available on another carrier (myself as example with the Galaxy Note) I am quite certain that both Sprint and Motorola are not done yet. Sprint has a few rabbits in the hat to pull out and Motorola has only just begun. Google has plans for them and they will be coming out with something spectacular. My only hope is that it won't be so high priced as their previous devices.

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  5. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    I think you posted that company in the Photon forums before, TS. Just forgot.

    OMG, I want to buy one of those HDMI dongles! Talk about an easy way to connect your computer to the TV wirelessly. That would eliminate so many issues I have right now with my cpu connected to my TV.

    But to get back on topic, I hope these guys make up the 3-in-1 accessory for Googlrola. I really do.
  6. floorguy

    floorguy Well-Known Member

    yea i dont like the look of it...plus they kept the soft keys down below???
  7. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

  8. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    FINALLY! Some leaks that pertain to Sprint and Motorola and a possible Photon 2:

    Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE
    Motorola Photon 4G Sequel Tipped for Sprint

    Motorola Photon LTE tipped as coming soon | Android Community

    I like the speculation that it could be similarly as thin as the Droid Razr!...As long as it still has the kickstand, I may just choose this over the LTEvo!

    And to add to the speculation, I'm assuming they'll use similar or same specs as the Atrix 3

    Interestingly enough, in the Atrix 3 article, it talks about the model # being MB886 (one higher than the Photon). And music to my ears if they're going with a similar screen as the Galaxy Nexus, which means expanded screen size, but eliminating soft key buttons. : )
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  9. 26.2

    26.2 Member

    Thank you for the info drexappeal.
    The Photon is the sole reason that I have remained a Sprint customer.
    The signal strength on this phone is great (network being Sprint's weakness).
    I will be eager to learn more about the new phone upon it's release.
    One would think that Sprint would release two or three LTE phones initially and then wait until there are more LTE markets (what good is having an LTE phone, when you will have to use a poor 3g network) before releasing more devices to customers.
    However, with the current Photon due to receive an OS upgrade (in Q3, if I am correct) and very limited LTE markets by end of year (based on all reports) I will probably stick with my current phone (as I do not live in Texas).
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  10. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Unless you have a 1 year upgrade from the last remnants of the Gold premiere upgrade, there's really no reason to upgrade right now.

    Only reason I'm doing it is to take advantage of my last 1 year upgrade (and to have a LTE phone, since L.A. is going to be part of the 1st rollouts). Wimax has been live since the original EVO, but I've never had great connection with 4G w/ exception to close by my work, so I'm hoping LTE will be a whole different experience.

    Here's another article from our home base:
    Rumor: Sprint to introduce Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE this year

    Even though the long form name isn't great, I still love the nickname MoPhoQ
  11. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Hmmm...To add more speculation, maybe Qwerty is back in the equation?

    Motorola Photon 4G successor leaked for SprintAndroidGuys

    I don't need the Qwerty anymore, but I know many of my family members would be fine with it. As long as it keeps a thin form factor (like the Droid 4), I'm okay with that also. I'd personally prefer a thinner non-qwerty phone, but if they came out with a candybar and qwerty version, that'd be ideal because I'd be getting 1 of each for 2 different lines!
  12. twospirits

    twospirits AF's janitor Moderator

    Told you not to count out Moto yet. lol

    The Q part is very interesting. Making it a querty keyboard doesn't make sense if its the replacement for the current Photon. (Thats not to say that a querty version of the Photon can happen) But I think Quad core may be it, but I would love for it to be Pixel Qi for even better outdoor readability. But I doubt that will happen. So its back to the Quad core theory. :D

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  13. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    LOL...I was a little skeptical, especially because of the lack of marketing support Sprint put into the Photon. I'm just hoping that they put a little 'bit more into the marketing this year, so that SGP makes a screen protector. If they managed to make it as thin or close to as thin as the Razr, while also keeping the kickstand (like the LTEvo), and also have the quad-core working nicely with LTE...it's going to be hard for me not to pick it up over the LTEvo.

    My question is, if it is quad-core, how reliable will it be with all the reports of Quad-core not meshing well with LTE?

    I'd still love to see Motorola putting out one with a qwerty and one without. That would all but secure my purchasing one of each!...LOL. With HTC coming out with the statement that they're moving away from having phones with qwerty keyboards, and Samsung not having released a Qwerty version of the SGS 2 (and not likely to come out with a qwerty SGS 3), I think it'd be a good opportunity for Motorola to swoop up those that still are in demand of a Qwerty keyboard phone.

    Well, hopefully there'll be more leaks at the beginning of June. I'm actually excited to see all the comparisons now.
  14. KOLIO

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    Let the celebration begin.....:dancing2::party:

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  15. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    So, I was reading the CNET talk about the MoPhoQ (...seriously...such a great nickname) and it shed some light on it really potentially being the first Tegra 3 Quad Core LTE phone:

    Sprint could have Motorola Photon 4G successor | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews

    In the CNET article, it sites the PCWorld article where Ray Mayfield (NVIDIA gm) says,
    Nvidia: 'Tegra 3+' and 'Tegra+LTE' Coming Soon | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    So, if we're looking at approximately when the MoPhoQ is going to be released, it'll be at least the end of July (1 year from when the original MoPho) and that just so happens to be in 3Q 2012! :dancing2:

    Although the benchmarks don't really show all that much significance (even though I rarely put much credence into benchmarks), having a Quad-core phone would certainly add to my "justification" of taking advantage of my final 1 year upgrade.
  16. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    Some of the folks here know me from xda and know how unforgiving I've been with Moto's (and the industry's) lack of vision. With the pending removal of the unjustifiably crippled webtop I don't know if I'll even consider the new Photon. At this point, there's not a single device in the works or rumored that I would even waste my time with. The up side to this is those that stay with their Photon will have support and development from me til my Photon dies and cannot be replaced with another one.
  17. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Loki, can you explain a 'bit? Not sure I understand what you mean about the "removal of the crippled webtop..."

    And just wondering why none of the new rumored devices aren't anything you'd even sniff at? Is that coming form a rooted vs. non-rooted perspective or the abundant amount of time you've invested into supporting and developing for the customizations on the Photon?

    I'm only asking so that any people that come on here and read your statements can actually understand what your reasoning is and where it's coming from, so they can make an informed decision for themselves. There are a lot of folks that come on here that aren't quite "versed" in tech as people would be on XDA, so it helps to breakdown info like this from people who do have the experience and knowledge. TIA

    As for me, I'm likely to upgrade my device this summer (just to take advantage of the last 1 year upgrade), but I'm also planning on keeping the Photon (likely rooting it...finally...hahaha), so I don't intend to abandon the Photon completely (which I still love).
  18. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

    Please Loki can you explain why you would not waste your time with any of the devices coming up or rumored at? I am also looking to upgrade this summer. I am really trying to decide on the HTC EVO 4G LTE or the new Photon. Waiting to see what the Photon has to offer. Either way I am going to keep my current Photon and 3D to play with and maybe finally root as well.
  19. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Does anybody know if Motorola has a "exclusivity" clause in their contract with Verizon when it comes to designs? I'm just wondering because w/ all of the early leaks about the "Droid Razr HD," part of me wants to speculate that it's actually what the MoPhoQ will look like. Of course, that's only if there isn't an exclusivity clause for design w/ Verizon. Just looking at this leaked pic of the "Droid Razr HD" (or what bloggers are speculating is just that), the shape isn't that far off from the Photon:


    Or maybe the leaks of the "Atrix 3" will be the same form factor as the MoPhoQ?


    I really am anxious to see what the next MoPho is going to look like and the specs of the phone.
  20. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    Not a problem. It will be long but very informative so please don't TL|DR.

    If you have used Ubuntop and found you don't need/use the expanded capability, then that new QuadCore monster phone is a good choice. If you have only used Webtop and found it lacking, ICS/Webtop3.0 and the new phones will be a disappointment.

    Let's start with Webtop, technology convergence and other factors. At the end I'll give my reasoning for not moving to a different device or ICS on the Photon (for now).

    Webtop in it's different forms.

    Original WebTop:
    Webtop in it's original form is a locked down version of Ubuntu with Firefox preinstalled. It lacks the ability to install addition applications and is completely dependent on Motorola and OTA's for updates. It is also cloud dependent, which means that to edit documents you are required to have a data connection and use cloud services like Google Docs. Want to edit photos/images, same thing. If any of you have had to use 3G to browse the web you know how slow this connection can be.

    Now imagine trying to use use Google Docs or other cloud services with nothing more than a slow 3G connection. You're not, unless you're desperate. Now lets say you don't have a data connection. No data connection=No Webtop (well it's still there but you can't really do anything with it). This is a very limited solution or feature that only benefits those that live in a 4G area with good speeds. Lets move on to the supposed new Webtop.

    Webtop 3.0: (very bitter about this one and you'll see why)
    There have been a number of leak videos showing the NEW and IMPROVED Webtop 3.0. Awesome, the stock browser is more like Chrome than ever! My phone has a tablet UI built in, take that insert any none Motorola phone here! So your first thought is "This is so cool!" until you start to examine it in detail.

    The phone to tablet UI switching in the stock Android browser is truly wonderful. Granted I screamed for this over a year ago and was told it was a stupid idea by all the major development houses including Google. So now after a year we have a browser in our phone that has a "Desktop UI" mode. Mission accomplished lets move on.

    The new Webtop removes Ubuntu and replaces it with the table mode switch built into ICS. This gives a more uniform appearance and with how limited the original Webtop was you are not missing much. Where it falls apart is the user UI. Unless an app has the tablet switch all you get is a blown up version of the app like Evo PC had. If you have your phone hooked up to a TV, you don't want that. You want to be able to see more which you will not get in most cases. This is one of main reasons why the Evo PC was abandoned. Now lets look at an alternative solution next.

    Ubuntop is essentially Webtop realizing it's true potential. It doesn't require a data connection to edit and create documents as it has OpenOffice preinstalled. The same goes for image editing, it gives you GIMP. To give you an idea of how crippled Webtop really is take a look at the attached image. This is Ubuntop running GIMP, OpenOffice and Google Music while writing this post. You may ask "Well if Webtop can do all that then why doesn't it?" According to Motorola, our phone can't handle it. Both Ubuntu and I disagree.
    Some may have a concern about rooting and unlocking and here's some things to consider. Sprint services rooted/unlocked phones, period. Rooting is very easy and with the number of good guides available, it as easy as shutting off your brain and following the guides to the letter. Failure rates for rooting outside of user error are very low. Having Ubuntop AND 4G is possible but takes a little bit of work which I will gladly assist folks with.

    Technology Convergence:
    What this means is that tech from different fields eventually reaching a meeting point at which, in this case, your PC, game console and cellphone become one. This has been attempted to some degree for almost ten years now. A early example is the Toshiba E740. This was a PDA that with an accessory dock had VGA out and USB KB/Mouse support. Considering the logical progression of tech the Atrix and Photon should have been old news but they were not. (I forgot my point here so I'll move along.)

    The Failure of Webtop:
    Lets look at where Webtop enabled devices are versus where they are going and where they went wrong. Webtop initially had a big wow factor that was short lived. After the purchase of very expensive accessories, Webtop users quickly realized that other than Firefox, Webtop really had nothing to offer. Back to the store go the accessories and Webtop goes unused and wasting 1.2GB of space. It was not long after that Motorola realized that except for a very few people, Webtop was a flop.

    The solution was not to make Webtop more functional but to make it less functional a la Webtop 3.0. With the Webtop3.0 leak, the tech news is again all over Webtop and singing it's praises. Having developed Evo PC I know that Webtop3.0 is a major step backwards. It order for it to be even remotely acceptable in everyday use, almost every app developer will have to add a tablet/desktop UI switch to their apps. Major development houses may do so but I would expect to see most developers pass on this. What the end product will be is another limited and unused feature. The other main issues is that apps like Docs2Go are nowhere close OpenOffice and the same is the case with many other apps that try to give you desktop features. So again, Webtop3.0 is a step backwards.

    My position on all this:

    I use a customized version of Ubuntop on a daily basis. I maintain and edit my website, create ROMs, edit images, play games (emulators are a big part of this), watch movies and Netflix...you get the idea. If the Webtop3.0 leak is legit, I will loose almost every one of those things or will be very limited in what I can do. Again, this goes back to the Evo Desktop, I abandon it for a reason and at it's core that's what Webtop3.0 is. For me to move to ICS or any other phone, I would have to purchase a netbook as well to have the same functionality as I do now. There's no logic in that. Faster, newer stuff is always cool but when its at the cost of functionality it's not.

    If you have used Ubuntop and found you don't need/use the expanded capability, then that new QuadCore monster phone is a good choice. If you have only used Webtop and found it lacking, ICS/Webtop3.0 and the new phones will be a disappointment.

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  21. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much for this description, Loki. I completely understand why it would be less beneficial for you to upgrade. In essence, your take on it is more-so from a functionality perspective with regards to a lot of the "extra" functions you get out of the Photon, as a user that is way beyond the "average consumer."

    To a certain extent, with respect to your videos alone, I'd have to consider myself an "average" consumer compared to the things that you accomplish in use of your mobile device. I only wish I could do what you do with ease.

    Bottom line is for those that would be in the same boat as Loki, an upgrade to a "new" device may not necessarily be an upgrade. For joe schmoes like myself, it'd be best to carefully examine all your basic needs from the phone and if getting that "new" device would enhance your day-to-day use.
  22. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    I'm throwing it out there to see if one of these blog sites picks it up and calls it a "source," but I think the "Q" in the Motorola Photon Q LTE stands for Qualcomm. The more I think about the reports of the Tegra 3 not playing nice with LTE radios, the more I think that "Q" represents Qualcomm...since many of the manufacturers are choosing that processor for their LTE devices. I won't mind the Qualcomm S4 prcoessor, as it seems to be getting good reviews. This might also be a reason that there's all the talk of there being a "shortage" of those processors.
  23. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    If they go with the MSM8960 (think HTC One X, HTC EVO 4G LTE) over the 8260 and use more than generic drivers, it would be a beast device (almost 2X faster than any current device). Granted it will be going up against the Evo LTE so it will be down to whether or not Moto optimizes the drivers and the UI. I hope they do because as much as I gripe about Moto I do like their products.
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  24. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    I'm hoping Google has enough influence (even if the merger is not completely finalized yet) to have Motorola keep the UI completely vanilla and thrown any past Motoblur influence away.

    I'm still on the fence on which device I'll be choosing, but my 1st experience with Motorola Android has been 10X's better than HTC (and I loved the original EVO). There's just something about the functionality behind Moto devices, as well as the build quality, that I just felt suited my needs so much more than HTC ever did. The LTEvo really has me looking to move back, but only if the MoPhoQ doesn't have comparable stats.

    I'm glad I have some time to do some saving because I'll need the extra cash to accessorize...again...LOL.
  25. busted bones

    busted bones Well-Known Member

    I can't stand qwerty keyboard phones and would pass if the next Moto isn't just touch screen. I don't see myself going to HTC after the bad taste the EVOs GB update gave me. I loved that phone but it turned to hate at the end after that update. My only experience with Samsung phones has been feature phones and those were terrible.
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