Would like an Archery Scoring App on Android


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  1. Angel_Shooter

    Angel_Shooter Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I would be interested if anyone is developing an Archery scoring application yet. I did see one guy (Chris??) working on a simple program for scoring but I'm more interested in one that would work similar to the AAPalm that used to be out a long time ago on Palm or even the Archer's Mark iPhone program. I'd use it for scoring target, and 3Ds with/without marked yardage, specifying bows/arrows if possible (hard to keep up with all the changing technology), and a way to perform a similar function as sight tapes.

    I hope someone is already on this but just in case I thought I would ask. :D
     

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    Ever get a response for this? I don't know much about archery, but I'd be glad to work on it. PM me with details on what features you'd really like to see in it.
     
  3. chris_uk

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    There's a chance that was me. I never did finish that app because my programming skills weren't up to scratch. I got a decent way with the layout and logic stuff but I know nothing about graphics.

    A bloke made something called TargetScheme TargetScheme - Android archery scoring which has an excellent interface but it a bit feature poor and crashes quite a lot. It is still in alpha phase though but it's not been updated for over a year now so I reckon he's given up on it.

    If I can find it I'd be happy to dig out my source code for what I called CASP (Chris' archery scoring program) and let someone who can make a better interface use it. My only proviso is that I get it for free when you've finished!
     
  4. marchold

    marchold Well-Known Member

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    I might be up to it. My programming skills should be up to the job, I would need some help from users to make the program really good, as I do not have a clear understanding of what exactly it should do.
    goblets@gmail.com
     
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    marchold Well-Known Member

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    I might be up to it. My programming skills should be up to the job, I would need some help from users to make the program really good, as I do not have a clear understanding of what exactly it should do. I checked out the Target Scheme app, and that was clear enough what it does. What kinds of other features should it have? I will give a free copy to anyone who helps me design it.
     
  6. Angel_Shooter

    Angel_Shooter Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I could get you a group of users to help test and design. There is a whole team of Android Archers over on ArcheryTalk's forum - hunters and target archers, including myself and my family. :D
     
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    I checked and I'm afraid that when I did a reinstall of my PC I forgot to back up my android based version of CASP and the source code is lost forever :(
    I do have a java version of it though, so the logic is intact, if a bit useless for implementing onto Android. I'd be happy to help design though if someone can code better than me.
     
  8. marchold

    marchold Well-Known Member

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    Send them to this thread. I am not going to start on this app until I am clear what the features are going to be. My goal is ultimately to make money, and I am not going to make any money at all if the app is not fantastic. Please have people start describing in great detail the features that want to see it have.
     
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    marchold Well-Known Member

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    I am a nerdy programer who does not know how to shoot a bow and arrow. You guys are going to need to be real detailed

    Right now this is the feature set as I understand it:
    1, scoring target
    - just like TargetScheme or should it be different?
    2, 3Ds with/without marked yardage
    - someone please explain what this means. What would he app actually do for this?
    3, specifying bows/arrows if possible
    - I assume that when you enter your score you want to enter the type of equipment you were using. How manny input boxes would describe this, 1 for bows and one for arrows?
    4, A way to perform a similar function as sight tapes.
    - Once again I need someone to explain what a sight tape is and how they would expect the app to do that. I googled it and I see that is is something you can print with some sort of measurements on it.
     
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    View attachment casp.zip

    View attachment V1-4.zip

    View attachment 1.2source.zip

    I've tried to attach my previous efforts to this thread, but I've never attached to a thread before so I don't know if it's going to work properly! Feel free to have a look. It was done for WinMo's JRE 3 years ago so it's a bit dated and need porting to Android quite heavily but it might give you an idea to work with.

    For me the app would need the following:

    1. A way to input scores. This can be done with drop down menus for pure score recording, but would be better if there were a target face you could touch which recorded your shot positions. There does need to be an easy way to get your shots precise though, like TargetScheme does, because fat fingers on a phone screen are not accurate enough.

    2. A way of saving all your shot positions on the target. This would be so you could figure out if you're consistently shooting to one direction, for purposes of fixing your technique or tuning your bow.

    3. An 'on the fly' scoresheet that adds up all your scores. This will be different for different types of round that the archer shoots (sometimes the scoring rings go 1-10, sometimes it's odd numbers only 1-9). This would mean you'd also have to be able to choose the type of round you're shooting first, see my source code for details. Of course you'd also want to be able to 'just shoot' and have the program record scores and shot positions if you're practising.

    4. Things that would need to be set for each shooting save file would be: distance to target and sight marking (which could just be a textbox into which you enter a string, it doesn't need to mean anything as sights differ in their markings and can be set up quite differently for different people). A 'notes' textbox would also be useful if people wanted to record bow details etc. I don't see this final box being used much by frequent archers though as they tend to keep their preferred setup.

    5. You'd want to be able to analyse your shot positions and scores based on distance to target and possibly sight position after you'd finished shooting.
     
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    Angel_Shooter Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    Marchold - OK I posted a message on Archery Talk regarding this thread and for them to come help explain what we want. Thanks for the help.
     
  12. Angel_Shooter

    Angel_Shooter Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I'll apologize up front that I don't know all of the exact science behind all of the factors that affect an archer's shot but I'll try to answer some of your questions in a general way to give you a broad overview and hope that some archers out there can chime in and help you out. There is a lot of info and background on archer on wiki Archery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia also and they go into the various types of tournaments.

    1, scoring target
    - just like TargetScheme or should it be different?

    *This is a good start. There are several types of targets with different scoring depending on that target. I.E. Vegas face targets have 3 targets on one sheet and you shoot 3 arrows (1 at each face) within 90 seconds. Then there's a target called a 5-Spot which has a different scoring technique than the Vegas target. We'll have to get you a lot of detail on these different faces and scoring so that your app will have all of these options for the user. I will try to attached a copy of these 2 faces so you can see their differences.


    2, 3Ds with/without marked yardage
    - someone please explain what this means. What would he app actually do for this?

    *3D tournaments are when you are shooting at a 3D animal decoy (deer, bear, lion, etc) and you have to shoot in the "kill spot" to get your scoring. The tournaments are typically outdoors and depending on the tournament you will either be told what yardage it is from your shooting stance to the target (aka marked yardage) or there are tournaments where they don't tell you and you have to visually determine how far away the target/decoy is (aka unmarked yardage)

    3, specifying bows/arrows if possible
    - I assume that when you enter your score you want to enter the type of equipment you were using. How many input boxes would describe this, 1 for bows and one for arrows?

    *There are different bows and equipment for every type of tournament (hunting, 3D, Target).

    4, A way to perform a similar function as sight tapes.
    - Once again I need someone to explain what a sight tape is and how they would expect the app to do that. I googled it and I see that is is something you can print with some sort of measurements on it.

    *Sight Tapes are a visual reference that you can look at that will tell you the impact of your arrow at different yardages. I.E. If I am shooting at 40 yards I would need to set my sight for that yardage so that when I shoot the arrow it will hit the X (center) of the target. If I move to 60 yards I will need to adjust my shot accordingly and a sight tape helps you determine where to set your sight in order to adjust your shot to reach the X at 60 yards...80 yards...100 yards...etc.

    I believe most of the apps out there perform some type of mathematical equation that takes into account the type of bow, pounds on the limb, arrow shaft length, size, and weight, etc. I'm not sure exactly what goes into this calculation so I'm hoping some more experienced archers can help us out.
     

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    This actually all sounds doable. I will store all the data in a SQLite database and then making all the reports will be easy.
     
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    ddd
     
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    That's what I did when I ported and lost it!

    I think there are going to be two types of archer talking to you on this thread: UK Target archers like myself who want one thing, and US hunting archers who do a lot of field and 3d shoots who want something a bit different (bow hunting is illegal in the uk and 3rd targets cost a ton toimport from the us so it hasn't really caught on). it would be great if the program could cater for both but with an easy distinction so Target archers don't get bogged down with equipment and yardage stuff and vice versa.
     
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    So target archers would not want to enter equipment at all, correct?
     
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    Personally not very often. It'd be nice to have it as an option, but only a single textfield (or whatever android calls them) for 'equipment notes'.

    I also don't think sight tapes would be too useful to target archers, but they would need somewhere to record what their sight was set at for various distances so they could find the optimum position.

    Other target archers may have different ideas, I'm speaking from personal experience.
     
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    Hi. Just stumbled upon this. Great idea and much needed. Add in my comps are at Indoor 18 meters - 3 arrows for 10 rounds BREAK 3 arrows for 10 rounds = 60 arrows. Olympic 70 meters - 6 arrows for 6 rounds BREAK 6 arrows for 6 rounds = 72 arrows. Its cool to know which arrow of your series went where since when you get your scorecards back after a comp the hits are marked highest to lowest so to find out that you are dropping the 3rd arrow each time requires extra concentration. Also, rules state you must number your arrows so if the program can show that numbered arrow hitting a certain zone on all rounds then you can maybe see that the arrow is damaged... before you can actually see with your eyes. Thanks and good luck
     
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    Just to say I would also really like an archery scoring app for Android. I'm a UK target archer (longbow) and it would be great for me. We'd need all the standard rounds inputted for selection, and ideally the handicap classifications, although I know this has been a problem due to the copyright of the handicap calculations.

    I hope that this app is in development and will keep an eye on this thread.
     
  20. marchold

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    I am still considering writing it, but have not started anything.
     
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    If you need any help about archery, then pm me. I have huge knowledges about archery. I have also idea what you should add to app - arrow counter. It might work like using the volume buttons and every press to button grows the count by 1, like i shoot 6 arrows in series and if i go to target to get mine arrows i press 6 time the volume button and the end of the day i can see the final count. Its very useful for archers if they can see how many arrows day shoot by day. The second idea what you should also add to application is - archery notes. Its place where you can note your sights and important information about bow (like bow settings and so on). I have many many ideas so if you start writing the application then please contact me by pm
     
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    I have a team that is in the process of negotiating requirements gathering and will be developing a beta. We should have one on the market by June 2011
     
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    any new information about project?
     

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