WTF is going on ?? (Calling for death of Nexus One))


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  1. ManMythLegend

    ManMythLegend Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Nexus 1 Death Possible – After the 3G screen problems on the Nexus One|News Trends Today


    Should Google Kill the Nexus One? - NYTimes.com


     

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  2. JSchu22

    JSchu22 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I was reading the same articles on my Nexus One too. I'm stumped as well. This "the sky is falling... kill the N1!" attitude has no basis what so ever. It's laughable actually.

    Of course, some will now feed off of this.

    This might be a bit thin but how about this reasoning-

    Two rather large groups, iPhone and to a degree Droid owners, feel somewhat threatened by the Nexus One. Of course that isn't all owners of these devices, just the self-centered blogging ones that unfortunately tend to be the loudest ones.

    Before anyone labels me as an N1 fanboy consider that I've owned both of those devices and hold them each in high regard.
     
  3. ManMythLegend

    ManMythLegend Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    I will say that xbox 1 DID have similar bashing...but about 6 months in.
    Not going into a history of it but even then it had MANY backers in the media despite people crying for MS to backout so Sony can just take full control of the gaming market...we all know how that story is turning out.

    Not saying that will happen...but 2 weeks ? already clamoring for its death ??.....

    Honestly...
    Is fanboyism that strong ?
    Are people THAT pissed at Google for not giving it away free and saving them from telecoms...or
    Are Apple/MS/Palm lining writers pockets ?


    I will not disregard this possibility..BUT perhaps Im giving people too much credit.

    How can you possibly follow technology in ANY capacity...and be shocked at any of these problems googles had ?
    Hell 360s were practically blowing up. You had to play PS1s sideways , Ipods almost had to recall because of hardrive issues.

    Smooth customer service , no HW/SW issues ,immediate fixes for all problems ?
    Was Google supposed to be the first electronics company in history to supply all of these the first 7-14 days of an item release ?
     
  4. JSchu22

    JSchu22 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Yes.





    If you believe everything you read.

    (Like you, I don't)
     
  5. thelucster

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    Agreed... It is just poor journalists trying to make some money. I love how they try and blame Google not releasing handsets in China on the poor sales of the N1. :p

    As for the 'poor sales', I don't think they are particularly bad considering they are through a single sales channel (online) and Google hasn't really promoted the phone. If Google wanted this to take off like an iPhone straight away they easily could have...
     
  6. daffyduck

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    My view:

    1. Bad news sells......

    2. If something/someone is successful, knock them down.....

    IMV, the Nexus is the best phone I have ever owned period, is just that these kind of comments are not as news-worthy as people's complaints.

    Had much fewer issues than I had with the Hero
     
  7. JSchu22

    JSchu22 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Its the sad state of the times. We call it journalism but in reality its often an opinion for hire hack or some jackass in his parents' basement. An unfortunate drawback of the internet- no accountability for what's said.
     
  8. cyberbob25

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    I read over and over in these forums how the N1 has had poor sales, especially compared to the droid. But I ask you...tell me one person outside of the wireless telecom industry and not a tech nerd who's ever even heard of the N1. Certainly none of my friends had. Droid has television ads and freaking billboards where I live.

    None of this really matters...my point just being, of course sales are going to be slow with no giant media campaign to push it. Personally, I think that this is all intentional...they are new to the retail game and knew that they wouldn't be able to handle supporting the numbers of droid units pushed immediately.

    But like the OP stated....I've been around the industry for quite some time now as well, and I can't comprehend how insiduous the media has been about this device. I guess, like Peter says, bad news sells, and big media just can't seem to get enough of the possibility that the almighty google has had a few stumbles.

    I bought a G1 when it first came out...as much as I loved it, I found it FAR inferior in comparison to other smart phones that were out AT THAT TIME, and it didn't sell terribly well either...yet, we didn't have near the hate that the nexus is getting in the press, which is a far better phone than most smartphones out there currently.
     
  9. Kierik

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    Well I have three theories.

    1st iPhones success has hidden some issues that every iPhone launch had. Remember those poor souls who had a phone they paid hundreds for but had no service(unable to activate) whatsoever for, that lasted for days? This was from a company that makes hardware and software for a living. A few months after launch apple went as far as brinking phones of users who jailbroke phones, even some reports of non-jailbroken phones being bricked. By the standards I would say so far Google's launch has been better than the initial iphone launch.

    2nd Google has been very ambitious the past few years moving into many markets and making a name for themselves. Chrome, Android, Chromium OS, the FCC with the analog TV market auction, people have come to expect alot out of products from google but forget that google is a software and IP company and assumed their first foray into hardware would be smooth/flawless.

    3rd the more malicious argument. Google stock is worth alot and by hyping the bad it will drive down the stock. A dubious journalist could short the stock write detrimental articles and buy the stock when it gets low enough.
     
  10. hmanxx

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    Judging from the phone functionality.I find it way better than all phones i ever used. .it is way better than most phones with same price range.

    The remarks has not been fair..but very damaging..most of my colleagues are sarcastic and repeating the same questions on Nexus one problem reported on paper..however they were shock and silent when i hand over the phone to them (all I-phone users) to try..

    The phone is fast, the LCD is sharp and larger...the browsing is great..the finishing design is good...

    Google should walk out from the online store..do some road show for people to actually feel the physical units..
     
  11. Fatal Exception

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    It's because newprint and media companies traditionally use Macs and thus tend to be a little biased towards Apple products. Even the BBC has this too.

    I say a little, sometimes it can be a LOT. All I can say is, Haters gonna hate.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. jbrinkley

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    The china thing has zero to do with the n1 issues, most of the reports spell this out.
     
  13. daffyduck

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    IMO, Google has done exactly the right thing in order to test its new business model of selling mobile phones....start off small, learn from what you experience and modify your approach for the next implementation.

    Just a shame they did not put a bit more thought into the customer service approach.
     
  14. mi_canuck

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    This is absolutely re-focking-cock-culous.... It's like a lynching... The Nexus One is the best Android device to date... I have ZERO 3G issues... it's been proven to be limited to a specific baseband (Pattern emerges for Nexus One 3G problems, points to baseband firmware | Wireless News - Betanews)... The touchscreen issue, is minor... it's being blown out of proportion, and is a software fix away...

    Holy fock man... Why is everyone hating so bad on the Nexus??? I guess everyone is just so bent on slamming Google these days... I guess it's the "in" thing to do... I've been a long time Apple fan, owned macs for years... well before it was the "in" thing to do... I like them... But I like Google too... I liked my 2 iphones (2G & 3GS) and like my Nexus One just as well... I'm open minded... I didn't set sky-high expectations when the Nexus came out... and guess what... I'm pleasantly surprised with it and it just gets better every day... I take the few minor annoyances... Trust me, there are far less issues with my Nexus One than I personally had with my iPhone 2G when it first hit the scene back in summer '07....

    In a twisted way, I hope the Nexus doesn't become too popular... one reason I sold my iphone 3GS was that I was SICK of seeing everyone including their brother and grandma have an iphone... they're all like: "Look I got an iphone too! Look at me!! I'm so cool..."
     
  15. MartinS

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    Reading between the lines, Google have pretty much stated themselves that this is designed to be a slow release to demonstrate (and help fix) the workings of the marketing, sales and distribution plan.

    We ARE Beta testing this sales method for them and it's clear that so far Google and HTC are not geared to supporting many more units that currently being sold.

    If this is true then expect that Google have found this learning experience to be a success. Obviously the media read that only 20,000 units (if true) have been sold and without thinking about it any more deeply compare this to sales of Droid and look at it as a failure - then regurgitate their drivel to the public. That's where the poor perception of this venture comes from.

    By the way, I have not had a problem with my N1 and haven't even had to calibrate it initially to get perfect working on the screen.
     
  16. mi_canuck

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    That's how I've been viewing... despite Google not selling these like they typically have with the "Dev Units" (G1 & myTouch)...

    Early adoption has its risks... I accepted this going in... So I'm not all up in arms like the media seems to be...

    It's obvious from both these links... the first one, comments are closed. Surprise surprise. The author would be getting SLAMMED right about now.

    The second link, NYT... they are so far up Apple's @$$ it's not even funny... They are rumoured to have a deal with the Apple Tablet to provide NYT on it... and look at all the links on the side of the article...

     
  17. sooper_droid12

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    I see several things at work here:

    First, I think it's laughable that someone would think that its iPhone and DROID fanboyism that is fueling these kinds of articles. Not only is that inane, but beyond the realm of what is deemed ridiculous.

    Second, here's what I think is really happening: a) Google has enjoyed a rocket leap into stardom. The company has had many successes and one could liken it to the King Midas, in that, everything it touches seems to turn to gold. A search-engine that rocks all other engines to count them as unusable; a web-mail carrier that has rendered all others as feature-less and how long was it in "beta"? Google docs has all but eliminated the need for an MS Office suite.

    b) Now that Google has turned its focus on mobile phone OS (Android) and mobile computing OS (Chrome), we're seeing an age of Android. CES was evidence of Android-fever. Again, another success. Google is poised to see dozens of phones on all carriers bearing the Google OS as its main functionality. No matter how much of it is still in its infancy, Google has succeeded to do something both Apple and Microsoft could not.

    As a result of both of these things, there are two things at work here:
    1) Google is due. If we know anything about the history of business, it is that when a company gets to be a certain size and experience a certain amount of success, inevitably, they believe that they can do just about anything. In a sense, they buy into their own hype. But we know that not every business decision made results in 100% success. Company's have missteps. They make a gaff. They have their one egg moment from which they learn and grow from. Google hasn't had one of those yet.

    2) Obviously, when a company gets as big and as fast as Google did, ANYTHING they do will be scrutinized. If HTC releases a phone with this many bugs and problems, it's maybe tech news for a week and then it disappears into oblivion. Motorola and to a certain extent Verizon have endured some scrutiny over the DROID, but to a lesser extent. After all, where was Motorola before all of this? On the brink of closing up shop!

    BUT... when Google takes a stab at it. The Golden Company. And they make a misstep. You better bet your bottom that the media and press are going to jump all over every single glitch, bug, mistake, misstep that you make! And that's what I think is going on here. This is NEWS people! The problems are real. Maybe they're not as big as they're making it, but it's real. But just like the media (even tech-media), they'll take it and run with it.

    Should Google kill the Nexus? I don't think so. Should they kill the phone portal? Nah. But what I think they SHOULD do is reformulate their strategy. Obviously, they're going to walk slowly and carefully on the N2, make sure the bugs are all worked out and have a support infrastructure in place. But what they can ALSO do is think about how that can be accomplished by enlisting a distribution network that's already established and in place, e.g. enlisting Best Buy as a partner.

    Was the google.com/phone experiment a failure? No. Was it maybe too ahead of its time? Absolutely, yes. But Google is big enough and flexible enough to adapt its strategy without scrapping the whole thing. It's not fanboyism... that's ridiculousness that N1 fanboyism would make-up. Let's just call it what it is.

    That would be the case if Google themselves didn't state that their marketing scheme was more pervasive than the traditional brick and mortar/mega-ad campaigns. Google believed that the word would get out to more people through the internet and banner ads, for cheaper, than any Times Square marketing gimmick could. Unfortunately, I believe that Google was hoping for more positive and optimistic news to be going viral through the world wide web, instead of all these negative comments. Whether they're true or not, the fact is: The majority of American consumers (let's face it, that's they're largest consumer base) are as tech-savvy as the 12 of you posting (have you seen, it's the same 5 guys posting in support of the N1 on every thread, and...) on this thread. They're going to read these things (NYT, etc.) and BELIEVE IT. Again, whether they're wrong or right, what's more pervasive than banner ads?

    WORD OF MOUTH.

    There's just not enough of you in the N1 fan club to rectify the damage the media is making.
     
  18. JSchu22

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    I knew when I read "sooper_droid" as a responder that there was going to, in some way, be a support of articles such as this and likely a slam against what I said (its quite obvious to anyone being objective that your name could have been "sooper_pro_droid ").

    What's funny is that it took you 1000 words to somewhat agree with what all of us have been saying- that the idea of a Nexus One failure has been fabricated to a degree, by people that have an agenda.
     
  19. jbrinkley

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    you know what? if you're not a fan of the n1 I seriously suggest you go elsewhere.

    maybe I just got off and had a few beers, but really, you devote all these words and don't even have one?
    best buy, really?
    I was looking for a nexus home and this place isn't turning out to be it.
     
  20. sooper_droid12

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    Yeah, but the agenda isn't iPhone/DROID fanboyism; that doesn't seem the slightest bit ridiculous to you? It's just wanting to see Google make a misstep because they've been so successful at everything. You guys are really WAY too sensitive and reading WAY too much into these articles. I mean you're attacking me because of my user name? What AndroidForum law prevents me from posting in a forum that's NOT DROID specific?

    Bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out :) You can try the Nexus One forum: http://www.nexusoneforum.net/

    You'll get a nice support group over there!
     
  21. spartan141

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    One thing I learned along time ago is that this country used to have free press. Now its bought and sold as if it was an indoor swap meet.

    Don't believe everything u read in the papers. Those news articles were Bought and paid for by someone pushing an agenda. I don't have a nexus1 but some dudes paid opinion isn't going to stop me from getting one once Verizon gets them. As for the issues, they were expected. That's what happens when u launch a new piece of tech. I have yet to see a launch of a new product that was perfect.
     
  22. sooper_droid12

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    And it shouldn't! It's a good smartphone and worth it if you like that form factor and it delivers on service. But like any smartphone, don't pretend it's something that it's not. It's not perfect by any stretch and has both strengths and... get this... weaknesses! Sometimes, I think that N1 owners only see the strengths and blind themselves to the weaknesses.
     
  23. JSchu22

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    In being a former iPhone owner and witnessing the myriad of silly attacks against it, I do believe this can happen. It certainly is a ridiculous concept but that doesn't mean it isn't plausible. One unfortunate reality of intelligent people is that many are incapable of seeing how truly ignorant others can be.

    I can't speak for others but my commentary on this issue does not equate to me being oversensitive. Aside from a potential lack of support by 3rd parties, I couldn't care less if a phone I use is well liked by the blogging community.

    You're right, but let's amend this for accuracy-

    "Sometimes, I think that SOME [place ANY device name here] owners see the strengths and blind themselves to the weaknesses"
     
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    True.
     
  25. jbrinkley

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    fanboy, lol, far from it. I'm 40 years old. Contributions, if you can call them that, from someone that doesn't have one are worthless.
    If this phone was a POS I'd say so in a heartbeat.
     

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