Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by Crude, Jul 22, 2010.
other ask us if we've gone mad.
YouTube - No mosque at Ground Zero
im surprised there are no replies to this yet
Why? Most of us believe in the constitution.
I stopped watching when the guy said the mosque was being built "a few yards" from ground zero. It is being built more than two blocks away.
Laugh out loud. I applaud his enthusiasm. Not sure about the mosque, though.
Ah, there is a vacant lot?
41 park place ny - Google Maps
Here you can see where it is being built in relation to Ground Zero.
Well, this reminds me of some nut who yelled at japanese tourists for visiting Pearl Harbor. Now if the people comissioning that mosque are fundamentalist nutjobs, I'm not too comfortable with the whole thing. If the folks building and using it are good citizens/visitors that have no hostile intentions, I am for it.
If the comissioners are decent people, it would be an even bigger FU to the folks who attacked the WTC. I like the irony of us being able to have a mosque there proving that we're able to rise above that stupid jihad nonsense they are hoping to have with us and have peaceful and constructive dealings with muslims in the very place they were hoping to end that.
In my area, mosques have been raided for supporting Cair and it's true that they were. There is an even larger number of muslims who denounce all of that and want to take part in what we have going here. That is what those jerks are attacking us for. The fact that some of their own people see that we can give them a better life and they are going for it.
They are scared. They know that one day, they won't be able to keep education from their people and they'll stand up and say "You know what? We can be muslims without killing people who don't agree with you." Those clerics' reign is over as information becomes exchanged more freely.
before i respond to you i want to make sure i am clear about my own intentions. i have no real opinion on this as i have not taken the time to research it, so i am not responding from my own thoughts, but clarifying a point of conversation.
the person in this video would say that you are decieved. and actually, it would apear that you missed the point. you are arguing "good muslims" vs. "bad muslims". he is stating that there are only "bad muslims". in fact, the supposition, as i understand it is that "good muslims" are only a public face designed specifically to lull non-muslims into a false confidence. now, you may think i am nit-picking your response, however, before we can have the "good muslim" vs "bad muslim" debate, everyone must be on the same page as to the distinction, otherwise, anything said on either side is meaningless.
so, the first thing to determine, and this is actually the toughest thing, is "is there such a thing as a good muslim" i say this is difficult because you have first break through a barrier of mistrust in order to even have any "evidence" accepted as anything other than an attempt at deception.
again, im not taking up either side, simply pointing out that there are two different conversations being had.
I'm in favor of any reasonable sort of commercial construction that puts Americans back to work. If there is money to build mosques, synagogues, churches, or massage parlors in our downtown areas, business districts, or appropriate places in the 'burbs, then we should go for it. Same with highways, bridges, hospitals, airports, dams, canals, railways...what we need are good paying jobs for out-of-work Americans.
I am a construction worker out of work for 8 months now, and would not hesitate to go build a mosque, if that was where the paying job was....
I purposefully ignored his comments about the deception as that hasn't been verified by anyone of real repute. I choose to ignore the commentary meant to stir everyone up in favor of the immediate issue. If it is being built by a group that plans it as another safehouse for Cair, it is my hope that the city acts accordingly. Barring all of the fear and speculation, what I said still stands.
If they are a bunch of infiltrators and people just want to build stuff because they need money, then hell stop whining about bankers, the RNC, CEOs and slavers who hire illegal immigrants. Just because someone else's blood money is distasteful to you, you are no better if you take it to the bank from a different source.
They do have the right to do it, thats for sure. But is it right to do it? I mean, honestly theres gonna be some violence. In my opinion, this is up to the people of NY and the families of the deceased.
If so the violence had damn sure better not be perpetrated by non-terrorists and if so, I hope the city throws the book at them. This BS is never going to end if we keep acting like children.
If it is not right to do it, is it right for white people to own cotton plantations in the South? How about for Japanese people to own businesses in Pearl Harbor? Is it right for white people to live throughout many of the states where the tribes have had their lands taken? Seriously?
But the thing is that if they knew that this was gonna cause all this commotion, then why'd they just choose to build it close to ground zero. That is asking for something. That you cannot deny.
Yeah, it's asking for America to heal and show that we're above that.
And were do you think the 100million dollars are coming from, certainly not from donations, At first, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf insisted the funds would be raised entirely from the Muslim-American community, then he said it was mostly coming from outside of the US, from Saudi Arabia. Anyways, you still don't understand my point, this Is a slap to the face for all those who died on 9-11.
So If I open a Bacon/Pork shop right next to them, its ok? I mean, it is my right.
Who cares if you did? If your logo was a pig with a turban, that would be tacky, but whatever. You still didn't answer my question about the Japanese businesses in Pearl Harbor.
UPDATE: Actually, it is a slap in the face to them if we become a bunch of scared little weenies and fear people because of their religion.
I understand your point perfectly, I just think that there isn't enough hard evidence to justify your fears.
Fears? I don't think so. More like disrespect, when you build a thirteen story building 60' away from Ground Zero, and that building Is a mosque, which teaches the same religion that the terrorists praise, and the fact that it overlooks Ground Zero, its disrespect. And of all the places to build a mosque they chose the one that overlooks the WTC site, that's no coincidence. I'm pretty sure that the Saudi Arabians who are funding this are only funding it because it overlooks Ground Zero, its not a fact, because no one knows exactly where the 100million is coming from, but Its obvious. And about the Japanese businesses in Pearl Harbor. It's a business, It would be diffrent if it was some kamakazi place over looking the place where the Arizona sank. BTW, you should know the difference between a business and a church. And I'm pretty sure that there were no Japanese businesses In Pearl Harbor at the time of war.
1. Not everyone who practices that religon is a terrorist.
2. The difference between a business and a church is that one of them pays taxes. I could point out the similarities, but that would be an entirely different discussion.
The Germans keep the history of the holocaust alive as a lesson. Is it so far out of the realm of possibility that these shadow people you say are raining money on this project might see it as a lesson about what happens when religious extremism goes too far? Nah, other cultures couldn't possibly be that rational. They are all out to crap all over everything we do. I bet they will draw the shades when Freedom Tower is finished.
You are right, they are not all terrorists, but if they had a sense of respect they wouldn't be building that Mosque over GZ. Even some of my Muslim friends (only have one actually) say its disrespectful.
I know that. I said that to, BTW, did you find any Japanese business in Pearl Harbor at the time that the US and Japan were at war?
No, I'm pretty sure in the minds of many who are swayed by the most radical interpretations of Islam it will be celebrated as a Muslim monument erected on the site of a great Muslim monument erected on the site of a great Muslim 'military' victory. And the funny thing is that Rauf's father was the long-time director of the Islamic Center of New York, which built the mosque on Third Avenue and 96th Street -- a project funded primarily by the governments of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations.
Now, the Saudis openly fund mosques abroad, spreading the radical Wahhabi strain of Islam, as a means of pacifying their own home-grown radicals.So it would be particularly troubling if Rauf's funding comes from abroad -- particularly from Riyadh.That's pretty rich, coming from an organization that in 2007 was named an unindicted co-conspirator in connection with a plot to support the terrorists of Hamas -- and that has seen several of its former officials and staffers convicted on terror-related charges.
Nope, we were too busy rounding up everyone who looked remotely asian and putting them in detention camps in CA until the war was over. Should we be doing that now?
If they want to send that money to this country so that their mosque will have a nice view of the larger and more impressive facility that we're going to put there, it's fine by me. It is even better for those who have perished as that dominating monument will be right in front of them every day showing that they couldn't keep us down. If they want a front row seat to that, I'm good with it. I only wish it were between the mosque and mecca so that they would have to face it everytime they pray.
Well I hope Im wrong about them and your right. BTW, we didn't put all Japanese in detention camps, just the ones we suspected as a threat.
You mean, the 110,000 West Coast Japanese we imprisoned, a figure that represents all the Japanese living on the West Coast, were all suspected as a threat?
Well, that was b.s. then and it is now. Recall that we did not imprison the 150,000 Japanese living in Hawaii.