Team Epic has tested and gotten kexec working on the SGSIII, which will chainload custom kernels. So undervolting/overclocking/JB/etc kernels CAN now be used.
DO NOT APPLY ANY OTA UPDATES, as they may break the exploit being used.
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S III , Acer Iconia A500 Tablet, Wife's Kindle Fire, Moto Droid X - Retired
Carrier: Verizon Wireless
Thanks: 246
Thanked 178 Times in 155 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metfanant
I can confirm, through the Samsung Galaxy Support Team (Level 2), that the request for the ENCRYPTED bootloader (not just locked) was made by Verizon themselves, and Verizon was the ONLY carrier to want this...
The bootloader status is also part of the OEM/Carrier agreement between Samsung and VZW, and because of said agreement, VZW is the only party with the ability to unlock the device...
i got the vibe from the tech that i spoke to, that VZW requested this and that they would have refused the carry the device without Samsung agreeing to the the modification
Edit: I've also read from someone who has spoken with a Level 3 Samsung Tech...that the phones left Samsung and Verizon THEMSELVES performed the software modifications...this person got the vibe from his tech that Samsung was resistant to the modification, but that VZW went ahead with it anyway
This is a good explanation of why Verizon was also the last carrier to release the S3. They would have to physically connect to each and every phone to reprogram it with their custom BS. That takes time.
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S III , Acer Iconia A500 Tablet, Wife's Kindle Fire, Moto Droid X - Retired
Carrier: Verizon Wireless
Thanks: 246
Thanked 178 Times in 155 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by xliderider
Verizon sucks... Really, Verizon? The only US carrier to lock down the SGIII bootloader.
What a crappy distinction for Verizon.
Just got off the phone with a Verizon CS rep. She had absolutely no idea what I was talking about when I told her the reason why I wanted to cancel my preorder for the 2 SGIII phones I preordered for two lines on our family plan, "what's a bootloader?"
The phones are in the process of being sent out today, so I can't cancel the order. Will have to ship the phones back unopened, or return the phones unopened to a Verizon corporate store for credit back to my account.
I'm going to wait for all the contracts on all lines on our family plan to expire, then I'll seriously think about switching to another carrier. Been with Verizon for ages now.
It doesn't say "bootloader" on any of the CS deadhead computer screens, so they can't compute.
Hope they get something out of this. Though, I can't help but to wonder if the encryption does get cracked or bypassed, think it will not get anywhere due to a cease and desist letter?
__________________
Anything that can happen, will happen. - The Laws of Quantum Mechanics.
Most people run from tornadoes, I run to them (back by popular request ) Flickr Gallery || Rooted? Join the Root Club!
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ajdroidx For This Useful Post:
Hope they get something out of this. Though, I can't help but to wonder if the encryption does get cracked or bypassed, think it will not get anywhere due to a cease and desist letter?
have been watching the threads over at xda very closely...this guy is legit, and seems VERY confident that he will have success going at this problem from the hardware level so i am very excited by the prospect...
though as a Droid X owner from day 1 i think some of my pessimism is justified
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S III , Acer Iconia A500 Tablet, Wife's Kindle Fire, Moto Droid X - Retired
Carrier: Verizon Wireless
Thanks: 246
Thanked 178 Times in 155 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metfanant
have been watching the threads over at xda very closely...this guy is legit, and seems VERY confident that he will have success going at this problem from the hardware level so i am very excited by the prospect...
though as a Droid X owner from day 1 i think some of my pessimism is justified
It seems to be the case that if someone can figure out a way to make a lock, someone else can figure out how to pick it. So I think it will just be a matter of time. And with enough people supporting him, I hope he pulls through with flying crullers.
nothing is going to happen tonight, or probably tomorrow honestly...Adam Outler should be getting his phone Thursday and thats when the fun should begin
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S III , Acer Iconia A500 Tablet, Wife's Kindle Fire, Moto Droid X - Retired
Carrier: Verizon Wireless
Thanks: 246
Thanked 178 Times in 155 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metfanant
nothing is going to happen tonight, or probably tomorrow honestly...Adam Outler should be getting his phone Thursday and thats when the fun should begin
Go Adam Go !!!
Here's an interesting article to read while we wait.
I filled out and sent the FCC form, we should get this on the main board because it sounds like locking the boot loader isn't the only infraction. To me it sounds like Verizon should not be able to remove the Samsung apps that they have on the international version, and lets not forget the WiFi popup.
I still say that it will be unlocked shortly. I say it will be unlocked by the end of this weekend. The more people that get the phone the better chance that it will become unlocked.
The Following User Says Thank You to fbm111 For This Useful Post:
I still say that it will be unlocked shortly. I say it will be unlocked by the end of this weekend. The more people that get the phone the better chance that it will become unlocked.
love your optimism...the two years ive spent with my Droid X have taught me otherwise...but i like that you still have the spirit!
I think this made the entire community upset. I think that most all Devs no matter what carrier has taken this personnelly. I know I would have. They are determined and hopefully it will prove to be waste of Samsung time and money and in future won't lock them.
I think this made the entire community upset. I think that most all Devs no matter what carrier has taken this personnelly. I know I would have. They are determined and hopefully it will prove to be waste of Samsung time and money and in future won't lock them.
Samsung only locked the bootloader because Verizon insisted on it. Don't blame Samsung for this fiasco.
Samsung only locked the bootloader because Verizon insisted on it. Don't blame Samsung for this fiasco.
I will hold Samsung equally responsible. They could have told Verizon to shove it when Verizon asked for a locked bootloader. Instead, Samsung agreed to sell people locked phones then announce a couple weeks later than an unlocked version would be sold separately for Verizon customers.
The public perception of Samsung being shackled by Verizon, then doing everyone a favor by selling them unlocked phones, plays right into the business strategy that benefits both Samsung and Verizon.
I will hold Samsung equally responsible. They could have told Verizon to shove it when Verizon asked for a locked bootloader. Instead, Samsung agreed to sell people locked phones then announce a couple weeks later than an unlocked version would be sold separately for Verizon customers.
The public perception of Samsung being shackled by Verizon, then doing everyone a favor by selling them unlocked phones, plays right into the business strategy that benefits both Samsung and Verizon.
right...there are two ways to look at Samsung here...
1. The White Knight: The "Developer" phone was their way of throwing us a bone to help offset the practices of VZW
- however if this is the case then VZW are complete scum because if this phone is allowed, why cant we just unlock the ones we have now?
2. The Willing Participant: VZW requests the lock...Samsung goes along with it in exchange for being able to sell an unlocked "Developer" phone later on
Hmmm. Nice bone they tossed us, huh? Still not sure if I would get it.
Going to be some upset devs out there and pre orders being returned over this thing. They should have just announced it at the same time as the "Consumer" version.
Hmmm. Nice bone they tossed us, huh? Still not sure if I would get it.
Going to be some upset devs out there and pre orders being returned over this thing. They should have just announced it at the same time as the "Consumer" version.
I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
I don't think so. One would need the encryption key(s) to do so, I believe.
I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
its not the kernel thats the problem...hell, at this point its not really even the bootloader that is the problem with the SGS3...its the security checks that the phone does to verify that everything is kosher before booting...
all that is REALLY needed is to figure out how to either A. bypass the security checks or B. spoof it
nothing is going to happen tonight, or probably tomorrow honestly...Adam Outler should be getting his phone Thursday and thats when the fun should begin
Can't wait for "Thorsday" (see xda thread)... sounds like he's already gotten some data/info from people that have the phone, and is already getting prepared for his device.
Can't wait for "Thorsday" (see xda thread)... sounds like he's already gotten some data/info from people that have the phone, and is already getting prepared for his device.
OK, so what path does one take to file the locked bootloader complaint on this FCC site? I don't see anything pertinent to the locked bootloader issue in the initial menu? I also searched the site for locked bootloader and found no results.
OK, so what path does one take to file the locked bootloader complaint on this FCC site? I don't see anything pertinent to the locked bootloader issue in the initial menu? I also searched the site for locked bootloader and found no results.
From the TalkAndroid article posted above
Quote:
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5, tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked and still is, even though it uses Block C (reag) frequencies.
i have to re-read the Block C nonsense again...but im pretty sure if i remember it right that everyone using that as an excuse to get a bootloader unlocked is an idiot (no offense) as they deal with completely different issues
i have to re-read the Block C nonsense again...but im pretty sure if i remember it right that everyone using that as an excuse to get a bootloader unlocked is an idiot (no offense) as they deal with completely different issues
Yeah, the way I see it is if a carrier locks a device down so it can't access the network or features of the network, then this applies. The locked bootloader doesn't prevent users from accessing and using the network and other services, so I think the FCC won't do anything.
Yeah, the way I see it is if a carrier locks a device down so it can't access the network or features of the network, then this applies. The locked bootloader doesn't prevent users from accessing and using the network and other services, so I think the FCC won't do anything.
exactly...thats how my understanding of the Block C restrictions works...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nateap87
It was my understanding that they've ready found a method of flashing a custom kernel. Am I wrong?
yes but its not elegant, and its very much not ideal for a daily driver
Honestly the safe thing would be to take it back. But I think it will be unlocked.
Now that I have it in my hands though I don't think it will be going back my first impression of this phone is great.
I was really pissed when the first thing I did with the phone was check to see if the boot loader was locked and it was. But I didnt pay anything for the phone only cost me 30 bucks and so far I really like it so I can live with it until we get it unlocked. The 2gb of ram really helps with the verizon bloatware and the other apps.
Interesting find about the bootloader on r/android.
Found this on r/android. Interesting. This isn't me but figured it was worth sharing. Supposedly a Samsung patch is on the way to remove the bootlocker.
I am not convinced and I will not be holding my breath on it. I personally think the rep is referring to the developers edition rather than a patch. Who knows though!
7Likes
