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Old July 9th, 2012, 03:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Team Epic has tested and gotten kexec working on the SGSIII, which will chainload custom kernels. So undervolting/overclocking/JB/etc kernels CAN now be used.

DO NOT APPLY ANY OTA UPDATES, as they may break the exploit being used.

Kexec, and a Proof-of-Concept Source-Built Kernel (Bootloader Workaround) - xda-developers
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I can confirm, through the Samsung Galaxy Support Team (Level 2), that the request for the ENCRYPTED bootloader (not just locked) was made by Verizon themselves, and Verizon was the ONLY carrier to want this...

The bootloader status is also part of the OEM/Carrier agreement between Samsung and VZW, and because of said agreement, VZW is the only party with the ability to unlock the device...

i got the vibe from the tech that i spoke to, that VZW requested this and that they would have refused the carry the device without Samsung agreeing to the the modification

Edit: I've also read from someone who has spoken with a Level 3 Samsung Tech...that the phones left Samsung and Verizon THEMSELVES performed the software modifications...this person got the vibe from his tech that Samsung was resistant to the modification, but that VZW went ahead with it anyway
This is a good explanation of why Verizon was also the last carrier to release the S3. They would have to physically connect to each and every phone to reprogram it with their custom BS. That takes time.
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Verizon sucks... Really, Verizon? The only US carrier to lock down the SGIII bootloader.

What a crappy distinction for Verizon.

Just got off the phone with a Verizon CS rep. She had absolutely no idea what I was talking about when I told her the reason why I wanted to cancel my preorder for the 2 SGIII phones I preordered for two lines on our family plan, "what's a bootloader?"

The phones are in the process of being sent out today, so I can't cancel the order. Will have to ship the phones back unopened, or return the phones unopened to a Verizon corporate store for credit back to my account.

I'm going to wait for all the contracts on all lines on our family plan to expire, then I'll seriously think about switching to another carrier. Been with Verizon for ages now.
It doesn't say "bootloader" on any of the CS deadhead computer screens, so they can't compute.
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Considering donating to the bounty thread on XDA:

[BOUNTY] First to Unlock or Patch Bootloader on Verizon Galaxy S III - xda-developers

Hopefully if enough $$$ gets thrown at it, a brilliant dev will spend the time to crack the bootloader.
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The pot's already exceeding $1000.00 I jumped in too. If enough of us get behind this someone will surely work hard for a solution.

I wonder what it costs to 'turn' a VZW programmer?
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I like the way some people think:

]xda-developers - View Single Post - [BOOTLOADER] Locked bootloader research and news [Updated: 9/7/2012]

Hardware hacking, for the win

Hope they get something out of this. Though, I can't help but to wonder if the encryption does get cracked or bypassed, think it will not get anywhere due to a cease and desist letter?
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]xda-developers - View Single Post - [BOOTLOADER] Locked bootloader research and news [Updated: 9/7/2012]

Hardware hacking, for the win

Hope they get something out of this. Though, I can't help but to wonder if the encryption does get cracked or bypassed, think it will not get anywhere due to a cease and desist letter?
have been watching the threads over at xda very closely...this guy is legit, and seems VERY confident that he will have success going at this problem from the hardware level so i am very excited by the prospect...

though as a Droid X owner from day 1 i think some of my pessimism is justified
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have been watching the threads over at xda very closely...this guy is legit, and seems VERY confident that he will have success going at this problem from the hardware level so i am very excited by the prospect...

though as a Droid X owner from day 1 i think some of my pessimism is justified

It seems to be the case that if someone can figure out a way to make a lock, someone else can figure out how to pick it. So I think it will just be a matter of time. And with enough people supporting him, I hope he pulls through with flying crullers.
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not for nothing, but if you guys want to have a front row seat for the fireworks...

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Channel is #verizons3

notice the title of the chat...

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Wow, never used web chat. Im there now, same username as here...
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nothing is going to happen tonight, or probably tomorrow honestly...Adam Outler should be getting his phone Thursday and thats when the fun should begin
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Gotcha.

I hope he cracks the tar out of that thing.
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nothing is going to happen tonight, or probably tomorrow honestly...Adam Outler should be getting his phone Thursday and thats when the fun should begin
Go Adam Go !!!



Here's an interesting article to read while we wait.

Why Verizon Shouldn’t Be Locking Some Bootloaders And What You Can Do To Help | TalkAndroid.com
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Just filed the complaint form to the FCC on the 2 GS3s I ordered. Maybe if enough of us do, Verizon will get some heat from the FCC.
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Just filed the complaint form to the FCC on the 2 GS3s I ordered. Maybe if enough of us do, Verizon will get some heat from the FCC.
I'll bet if enough of us do this something will happen. Maybe even before we upgrade again. I'll do it tonight from home.
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I filled out and sent the FCC form, we should get this on the main board because it sounds like locking the boot loader isn't the only infraction. To me it sounds like Verizon should not be able to remove the Samsung apps that they have on the international version, and lets not forget the WiFi popup.
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Now there is talk of a $600 unsubsidized "Developer Edition" being released through the Samsung Developer Portal...

total BS...
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Now there is talk of a $600 unsubsidized "Developer Edition" being released through the Samsung Developer Portal...

total BS...
I was going to buy full retail. So this is great (for me).
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I was going to buy full retail. So this is great (for me).
its happening...no word on availability/sizes/colors, but its going to happen...
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I still say that it will be unlocked shortly. I say it will be unlocked by the end of this weekend. The more people that get the phone the better chance that it will become unlocked.
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I still say that it will be unlocked shortly. I say it will be unlocked by the end of this weekend. The more people that get the phone the better chance that it will become unlocked.
love your optimism...the two years ive spent with my Droid X have taught me otherwise...but i like that you still have the spirit!
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I think this made the entire community upset. I think that most all Devs no matter what carrier has taken this personnelly. I know I would have. They are determined and hopefully it will prove to be waste of Samsung time and money and in future won't lock them.
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I think this made the entire community upset. I think that most all Devs no matter what carrier has taken this personnelly. I know I would have. They are determined and hopefully it will prove to be waste of Samsung time and money and in future won't lock them.
Samsung only locked the bootloader because Verizon insisted on it. Don't blame Samsung for this fiasco.
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Samsung only locked the bootloader because Verizon insisted on it. Don't blame Samsung for this fiasco.
I will hold Samsung equally responsible. They could have told Verizon to shove it when Verizon asked for a locked bootloader. Instead, Samsung agreed to sell people locked phones then announce a couple weeks later than an unlocked version would be sold separately for Verizon customers.

The public perception of Samsung being shackled by Verizon, then doing everyone a favor by selling them unlocked phones, plays right into the business strategy that benefits both Samsung and Verizon.
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I will hold Samsung equally responsible. They could have told Verizon to shove it when Verizon asked for a locked bootloader. Instead, Samsung agreed to sell people locked phones then announce a couple weeks later than an unlocked version would be sold separately for Verizon customers.

The public perception of Samsung being shackled by Verizon, then doing everyone a favor by selling them unlocked phones, plays right into the business strategy that benefits both Samsung and Verizon.
right...there are two ways to look at Samsung here...

1. The White Knight: The "Developer" phone was their way of throwing us a bone to help offset the practices of VZW
- however if this is the case then VZW are complete scum because if this phone is allowed, why cant we just unlock the ones we have now?
2. The Willing Participant: VZW requests the lock...Samsung goes along with it in exchange for being able to sell an unlocked "Developer" phone later on
- VZW is still scum
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Hmmm. Nice bone they tossed us, huh? Still not sure if I would get it.

Going to be some upset devs out there and pre orders being returned over this thing. They should have just announced it at the same time as the "Consumer" version.

Samsung brings out Galaxy S III Developer Edition for Verizon, answers the call for an unlockable bootloader -- Engadget
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Hmmm. Nice bone they tossed us, huh? Still not sure if I would get it.

Going to be some upset devs out there and pre orders being returned over this thing. They should have just announced it at the same time as the "Consumer" version.

Samsung brings out Galaxy S III Developer Edition for Verizon, answers the call for an unlockable bootloader -- Engadget
I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
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I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
I don't think so. One would need the encryption key(s) to do so, I believe.
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I am not sure if I am wording this right but can someone somehow take the kernel from the developer edition phone and use that to unlock all the other phones?
its not the kernel thats the problem...hell, at this point its not really even the bootloader that is the problem with the SGS3...its the security checks that the phone does to verify that everything is kosher before booting...

all that is REALLY needed is to figure out how to either A. bypass the security checks or B. spoof it
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return your phone for a Nexus...or change carriers to AT&T, TMo or Sprint...as of right now that is the only way youre going to run JB on the GS3
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File Complaint | FCC.gov

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Just sent a complaint we'll see if anything comes of it
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Can't wait for "Thorsday" (see xda thread)... sounds like he's already gotten some data/info from people that have the phone, and is already getting prepared for his device.
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Hopefully he can find something... And hopefully Thorsday will result in him bringing the hammer down, so to speak...

EDIT: I realize it's unlikely that he is going to find anything in the first 24 hours... but I had to make that joke somehow...
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OK, so what path does one take to file the locked bootloader complaint on this FCC site? I don't see anything pertinent to the locked bootloader issue in the initial menu? I also searched the site for locked bootloader and found no results.
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OK, so what path does one take to file the locked bootloader complaint on this FCC site? I don't see anything pertinent to the locked bootloader issue in the initial menu? I also searched the site for locked bootloader and found no results.
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Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5, tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked and still is, even though it uses Block C (reag) frequencies.
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i have to re-read the Block C nonsense again...but im pretty sure if i remember it right that everyone using that as an excuse to get a bootloader unlocked is an idiot (no offense) as they deal with completely different issues
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i have to re-read the Block C nonsense again...but im pretty sure if i remember it right that everyone using that as an excuse to get a bootloader unlocked is an idiot (no offense) as they deal with completely different issues
Yeah, the way I see it is if a carrier locks a device down so it can't access the network or features of the network, then this applies. The locked bootloader doesn't prevent users from accessing and using the network and other services, so I think the FCC won't do anything.
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It was my understanding that they've ready found a method of flashing a custom kernel. Am I wrong?
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Yeah, the way I see it is if a carrier locks a device down so it can't access the network or features of the network, then this applies. The locked bootloader doesn't prevent users from accessing and using the network and other services, so I think the FCC won't do anything.
exactly...thats how my understanding of the Block C restrictions works...

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It was my understanding that they've ready found a method of flashing a custom kernel. Am I wrong?
yes but its not elegant, and its very much not ideal for a daily driver
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[QUOTE=yes but its not elegant, and its very much not ideal for a daily driver[/QUOTE]


Why's that?
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Why's that?
requires a script to be run every time the phone boots
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So is it safe to say well have this thing completely unlocked or should I take it back?
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So is it safe to say well have this thing completely unlocked or should I take it back?

Honestly the safe thing would be to take it back. But I think it will be unlocked.

Now that I have it in my hands though I don't think it will be going back my first impression of this phone is great.
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Honestly the safe thing would be to take it back. But I think it will be unlocked.

Now that I have it in my hands though I don't think it will be going back my first impression of this phone is great.

I was really pissed when the first thing I did with the phone was check to see if the boot loader was locked and it was. But I didnt pay anything for the phone only cost me 30 bucks and so far I really like it so I can live with it until we get it unlocked. The 2gb of ram really helps with the verizon bloatware and the other apps.
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Default Interesting find about the bootloader on r/android.

Found this on r/android. Interesting. This isn't me but figured it was worth sharing. Supposedly a Samsung patch is on the way to remove the bootlocker.

Verizon SGS3 bootloader patch? : Android

Also a screenshot in the email.


I am not convinced and I will not be holding my breath on it. I personally think the rep is referring to the developers edition rather than a patch. Who knows though!
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