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Old July 11th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Subsidized VZW or Samsung Dev model

I'm eagerly awaiting delivery of my GS3 today, on the truck for delivery, and I'm to scared to go mow my lawn, fearing I'll be in the back yard and the delivery guy wont come chase me down.

Of course this morning I read the Engadget article about Samsung directly selling unlocked developer models.

The only reason I even went in and pre-ordered a GS3 was to get one more subsidized phone and keep my unlimited data for another 2 years guaranteed. I was still 100% happy with my original Inc but now I'm all hyped up for the GS3.

Can't determine if I should sell (or return) my unopened VZW gs3 and buy a developer model and spend considerably more money, or wait in the hopes of a true unlocking of the VZW model. I've been trying to keep up with the attempts to fix VZW's mistake, but there's just to much stuff for me to sort through.

What are you all going to do? What do you realistically think the chances are of a developer cracking it?

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Old July 11th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Follow up question

I remember reading that when people were first getting their pre-orders, they were activating them and some people were losing their unlimited data. Did this issue get fixed? Or should I take it to my local store and activate if I decide to keep it?

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I am not sure what to do either.. If I return it thats fine but how long before the phone is launched.. I did pay full retail so it matters not with the price.
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Regarding the unlimited data, all reports of people losing unlimited was a mistake on Verizon's part, and they have made it clear that they will resolve the issue.

Regarding your situation, if it were me, I would keep the subsidized, put a case and screen protector, and use it. When the developer model comes out, re-assess the situation with the subsidized version, and if you aren't happy, sell it as a MINT used phone, and buy the developer version. Almost certainly you will get more than what you paid subsidized for the first GS3, so financially its the best option as well. Plus you are locked in for two years of unlimited, in case Verizon decided to end all unlimited once you are out of contract.
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one VERY large thing to remember...

the Developer Model will come sans warranty...if anything should happen to your device (even not of your doing) you may be SOL...VZW certainly isn't going to help you out...
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Regarding the unlimited data, all reports of people losing unlimited was a mistake on Verizon's part, and they have made it clear that they will resolve the issue.

Regarding your situation, if it were me, I would keep the subsidized, put a case and screen protector, and use it. When the developer model comes out, re-assess the situation with the subsidized version, and if you aren't happy, sell it as a MINT used phone, and buy the developer version. Almost certainly you will get more than what you paid subsidized for the first GS3, so financially its the best option as well. Plus you are locked in for two years of unlimited, in case Verizon decided to end all unlimited once you are out of contract.
That's what I would so as well. If I had a NE2, which I don't so for me the Samsung Developer phone is actually going to be cheaper. I stopped into the VZW store yesterday and asked what the full retail is going to be. The guy I talked to said it would be 650/16GB, 700/32GB. If that is is true then Samsung will be the cheaper option. AT&T however only charges $550 for full retail which seems odd since I would think all full retail phones would be the same price.
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one VERY large thing to remember...

the Developer Model will come sans warranty...if anything should happen to your device (even not of your doing) you may be SOL...VZW certainly isn't going to help you out...
From what I read this is not true. It comes with a warranty, you void it by unlocking the bootloader (just like any other phone).
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From what I read this is not true. It comes with a warranty, you void it by unlocking the bootloader (just like any other phone).
I thought I read that too. The cost to unlock the bootloader is your warranty. I am sure they keep it on file that you sold your warranty for the unlocked bootloader so even if you decide not to unlock and you handed in your warranty, well, start saving for a new phone.
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From what I read this is not true. It comes with a warranty, you void it by unlocking the bootloader (just like any other phone).
whats the point in buying the Dev Phone if youre not going to unlock the bootloader?
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Thanks all, I'm going to go with the use for now and potentially sell it later plan.

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Thanks all, I'm going to go with the use for now and potentially sell it later plan.

Still waiting for arrival.
This isn't a bad idea.
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I remember reading that when people were first getting their pre-orders, they were activating them and some people were losing their unlimited data. Did this issue get fixed? Or should I take it to my local store and activate if I decide to keep it?

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When I activated mine, I got bumped to a 2GB plan. It was written up in the package docs as well. Had to call in and complain about this to VZN customer service to get this changed back to unlimited. Also got a automated email from VZN that my data had gone over 175% of my allowed limit.
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When I activated mine, I got bumped to a 2GB plan. It was written up in the package docs as well. Had to call in and complain about this to VZN customer service to get this changed back to unlimited. Also got a automated email from VZN that my data had gone over 175% of my allowed limit.

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whats the point in buying the Dev Phone if youre not going to unlock the bootloader?
Haha, yeah, well there are a lot of people who will return to factory state for warranty claims, which is OK in my mind when it's something that obviously wasn't caused by unlocking it, rooting and ROMing.
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Maybe I'm being too optimistic about xda cracking the boot loader. With the bounty only going higher its bound to happen.
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If someone preordered a subsidized GS3 as an upgrade from a 3G smartphone, is it possible to sell the GS3 without activating it and basically not face any consequences? Not lose unlimited, no penalty for not activating new phone, etc.
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If someone preordered a subsidized GS3 as an upgrade from a 3G smartphone, is it possible to sell the GS3 without activating it and basically not face any consequences? Not lose unlimited, no penalty for not activating new phone, etc.
Why wouldn't you just activate it and then sell it?

I think you can do it, but you may have to activate it to make the contract valid. Not sure.
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If someone preordered a subsidized GS3 as an upgrade from a 3G smartphone, is it possible to sell the GS3 without activating it and basically not face any consequences? Not lose unlimited, no penalty for not activating new phone, etc.
You HAVE to activate the phone you receive, before you sell it, or the buyer will not be able to.

I have firsthand experience with this - I thought I was doing the buyer a favor, by immediately shipping off my unopened phone. Needless to say, I got a phone call, a couple days later
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I've had to return 2 different dx's for screen issues. I just returned my rom'ed phone to factory and gave it to them and got a new device, after paying that stupid $100 deductible. I've now found a verizon affiliate that charges a one time fee of $129 for an anything goes warranty that replaces your phone with a brand new in the unopened box device, not the certified like new models. On a side note, you gotta love the "certified like new" moniker. Anytime a rep has said that to me, I say to them "certified like new actually means used. thanks, have a nice day"
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Happened on 7/9 when I got the phone.
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Why wouldn't you just activate it and then sell it?

I think you can do it, but you may have to activate it to make the contract valid. Not sure.
So if I return to Verizon without activating, the contract won't be renewed for the line?

Or my second option is to activate the phone, then reactivate my old one and sell the GS3? And this way my contract is renewed, of course.

Hmm...make a profit or avoid a contract.
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Verizon's Galaxy S III Is Still Crap, But You Can Pay $600 to Fix It

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My question: would asurion still cover it? If so, they'd have to replace with another unlocked phone, so it could get messy.
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So, what do you gain with the Samsung version of VZW S3?
1) it's unencrypted?
2) no bloat? or bloat you can uninstall?
3) Faster updates?
4) easy to root and remove annoying Wifi messages (yes I believe).
5) Can you hack to make it brighter or is that a hardware limitation?
6) Ability to use other radio kernals (don't know what I'm really talking about) to make reception better?
7) Enable BT to work even with headphone jack plugged in?
Are these things that an unlocked version "could" do if someone wrote the code for it?

I returned my S3 for several reasons, but when the developer version comes from Samsung, will I be able to fix my issues? I might reconsider it or wait for the Droid Fighter.
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So, what do you gain with the Samsung version of VZW S3?
1) it's unencrypted?
2) no bloat? or bloat you can uninstall?
3) Faster updates?
4) easy to root and remove annoying Wifi messages (yes I believe).
5) Can you hack to make it brighter or is that a hardware limitation?
6) Ability to use other radio kernals (don't know what I'm really talking about) to make reception better?
7) Enable BT to work even with headphone jack plugged in?
Are these things that an unlocked version "could" do if someone wrote the code for it?

I returned my S3 for several reasons, but when the developer version comes from Samsung, will I be able to fix my issues? I might reconsider it or wait for the Droid Fighter.
1. Yes
2. will likely run the same OS as as the normal version so it will still have bloat...you can remove the bloat on the normal VZW version very easy if you root
3. faster only because you will be able to run AOSP straight from Google
4. the normal VZW version is as easy to root as about 3 clicks of a PC mouse...the annoying wifi popups are just as easy to get rid of
5. make the screen brighter? not sure why you would want it any brighter than it already as...
6. No
7. if this is a feature in AOSP ICS or JB then yes IF you flash those OS versions...

frankly most of the things you want are available now for the normal VZW version
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1. Yes
2. will likely run the same OS as as the normal version so it will still have bloat...you can remove the bloat on the normal VZW version very easy if you root
3. faster only because you will be able to run AOSP straight from Google
4. the normal VZW version is as easy to root as about 3 clicks of a PC mouse...the annoying wifi popups are just as easy to get rid of
5. make the screen brighter? not sure why you would want it any brighter than it already as...
6. No
7. if this is a feature in AOSP ICS or JB then yes IF you flash those OS versions...

frankly most of the things you want are available now for the normal VZW version
Also, there's no real guarantee the dev version will get love from devs. I'm kind of weary of a situation where the devs either:

a) give up on the VZW variants entirely because of this BS locked bootloader nonsense
b) support the locked bootloader version via kexec hacks/etc rather than the dev version simply due to more people with the non-dev version

It sure would be shame to shell out $600 for an unlocked VZW phone, only to not be able to run CM10 or AOKP, etc on it.
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Also, there's no real guarantee the dev version will get love from devs. I'm kind of weary of a situation where the devs either:

a) give up on the VZW variants entirely because of this BS locked bootloader nonsense
b) support the locked bootloader version via kexec hacks/etc rather than the dev version simply due to more people with the non-dev version

It sure would be shame to shell out $600 for an unlocked VZW phone, only to not be able to run CM10 or AOKP, etc on it.
probably irrelevant...once the bootloader is completely unlocked (as the dev model is) at least with AOSP based ROMS the vast majority of things will be completely interchangeable between the various versions of the S3
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I am completely torn on whether to keep the Verizon S3 or sell it and put the profit towards the Samsung variant.

My primary concern is whether the limited root access on the encrypted Verizon variant will prevent updates from coming as quickly to the developer version. As in, if the dev version gets JellyBean months before the Verizon variant, and we have to wait for an official OTA because Samsung/Verizon take way too long to issue updates anyways.

Thoughts?
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I am completely torn on whether to keep the Verizon S3 or sell it and put the profit towards the Samsung variant.

My primary concern is whether the limited root access on the encrypted Verizon variant will prevent updates from coming as quickly to the developer version. As in, if the dev version gets JellyBean months before the Verizon variant, and we have to wait for an official OTA because Samsung/Verizon take way too long to issue updates anyways.

Thoughts?
No version of the GS3 is going to get a Jellybean update from Samsung any time soon. Samsung will have to do a LOT of work to Touchwiz to incorporate it into Jellybean. I would not expect Samsung to have it ready until the end of this year at the earliest.

THEN, the dev device (and probably the international version) will get the Jellybean update from Samsung.

THEN, the rest of the carriers (minus Verizon) will get the Jellybean update (probably months after Samsung finishes it).

THEN, the VZW GS3 will get the Jellybean update some time next year after everyone else has it.

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Of course, I'm referring to official OTA updates. There will likely be leaks, and custom ROMs that incorporate Jellybean (like CM10) but only time will tell if we get them working good on the VZW GS3. The development version will make it easier, but we really don't know yet how much development time will be put into it, or if everything will be interchangeable between the dev version and subsidized version.

So if you're looking to stay on the official upgrade path OTA, then I don't think either the subsidized version or the dev version will get Jellybean until the end of the year AT THE EARLIEST. The official version from Verizon probably not until next year. But if you're looking to stray from the official upgrade path, you can probably get custom roms for the dev version that incorporate JB a short time after the dev version is released. The subsidized version, we still don't know because the work is still being done.

Personally, I'm just going to stick with the subsidized version and enjoy it. I'm using it with Nova Launcher and there's not much I miss from AOKP or Jellybean. Google Now and the updated Voice Input are the only major things that i miss. The GS3 interface is already buttery fast, and Samsung has already added a lot of things to Touchwiz that are in custom roms (power menu, lock screen icons, etc).
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No version of the GS3 is going to get a Jellybean update from Samsung any time soon. Samsung will have to do a LOT of work to Touchwiz to incorporate it into Jellybean. I would not expect Samsung to have it ready until the end of this year at the earliest.
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THEN, the dev device (and probably the international version) will get the Jellybean update from Samsung.

THEN, the rest of the carriers (minus Verizon) will get the Jellybean update (probably months after Samsung finishes it).

THEN, the VZW GS3 will get the Jellybean update some time next year after everyone else has it.
i disagree here...all S3's should receive their update just about the same time...

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Of course, I'm referring to official OTA updates. There will likely be leaks, and custom ROMs that incorporate Jellybean (like CM10) but only time will tell if we get them working good on the VZW GS3. The development version will make it easier, but we really don't know yet how much development time will be put into it, or if everything will be interchangeable between the dev version and subsidized version.
as i posted JB is already available for our phones IF we were unlocked...
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the advantage with the Dev version is you dont have to wait for Samsung...for instance...here is a T-Mo Galaxy S3...you can read the version of Android for yourself...



i disagree here...all S3's should receive their update just about the same time...

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as i posted JB is already available for our phones IF we were unlocked...
I already differentiated between "official" and "custom" upgrade paths. I also mentioned being able to have JB earlier with a custom rom. But there's no way Samsung will be releasing official JB updates any time soon, which is why I differentiated in my comments.

And what does "about the same time" mean to you? There's no doubt in my mind that the VZW S3 will be the last US carrier to receive the JB update. Just look at the Galaxy Nexus updates. I'm sure Samsung will have JB ready for all of their devices at "about the same time", but remember that Verizon has to approve the update, and they are notoriously slow.

Those with a dev phone will likely get a leaked update earlier, or of course can install a custom rom. But from what I've read, CM10 is not working on the VZW variant yet (no data).
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From what I read on r/android, customer kernels are very close. It may not be the most "elegant" as someone said but its getting to the point where its not intrusive either.
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i disagree here...all S3's should receive their update just about the same time...
The difference of 4.0.4 update times on VZW and GSM Nexi tells me this is not true. I'm guessing a two month delay.
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I wasn't worried about unlimited data being lost due to how I was upgrading, but I went with the subsidized GS3 due to the fact that it was $400 cheaper. I personally don't mind locking myself into a contract and paying less for a phone as long as it's on my terms. While it's likely to be the last time this will be the case, upgrading to the GS3 made as much sense as any line I upgraded previously with Big Red.

I can't say I was pleased when it was announced that the bootloader was going to be locked. At the same time I wasn't all that worried about it, either. The Bionic was undernourished in the development department (mostly because of the bootloader, I'd imagine), but that didn't stop me from enjoying my very capable phone. I figured that if the development was at least as much for the Verizon GS3 as the Bionic (and really, how could it not), it'd be a great experience. That and the fact that Samsung and HTC have locked bootloaders in the past without impeding development, I was confident. I was further confident that after Samsung sent a GS2 to the CM team last year, that they wouldn't allow one carrier to ruin what appears to be a rep.

The fact that I'm now running Jellybean on my Verizon GS3 seems to suggest that, at least for now, I've made the right choice.
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I wasn't worried about unlimited data being lost due to how I was upgrading, but I went with the subsidized GS3 due to the fact that it was $400 cheaper. I personally don't mind locking myself into a contract and paying less for a phone as long as it's on my terms. While it's likely to be the last time this will be the case, upgrading to the GS3 made as much sense as any line I upgraded previously with Big Red.

I can't say I was pleased when it was announced that the bootloader was going to be locked. At the same time I wasn't all that worried about it, either. The Bionic was undernourished in the development department (mostly because of the bootloader, I'd imagine), but that didn't stop me from enjoying my very capable phone. I figured that if the development was at least as much for the Verizon GS3 as the Bionic (and really, how could it not), it'd be a great experience. That and the fact that Samsung and HTC have locked bootloaders in the past without impeding development, I was confident. I was further confident that after Samsung sent a GS2 to the CM team last year, that they wouldn't allow one carrier to ruin what appears to be a rep.

The fact that I'm now running Jellybean on my Verizon GS3 seems to suggest that, at least for now, I've made the right choice.
But wait, isn't this the first time Samsung has ever encrypted the bootloader?
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Good thread. So from what I understand the bootloader is locked, yet the S3 has been rooted? What's the difference? My only experience has been the Droid Eris. Basically rooting meant I could install roms. Can the S3 when rooted not do this? Not seeing the difference between dev model vs subsidized vzw if the latter can be rooted anyway. Unless rooting and loading a custom rom aren't really synonymous.
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Good thread. So from what I understand the bootloader is locked, yet the S3 has been rooted? What's the difference? My only experience has been the Droid Eris. Basically rooting meant I could install roms. Can the S3 when rooted not do this? Not seeing the difference between dev model vs subsidized vzw if the latter can be rooted anyway. Unless rooting and loading a custom rom aren't really synonymous.
They are not the same which is a common misconception. Verizon has gone all in on locking boot loaders in order to prevent people from getting free tethering(though that is now worthless thanks to the FCC ruling), reduce the amount of refurbs being issued to inexperienced people who brick their phone, and because their staff isn't equipped to offer customer support for every ROM on every phone. With the encrypted boot loader, it makes direct flashing of custom kernels, ROMs, and recoveries impossible. Obtaining root is thus harder, though exploits found can help you get root. An exploit was found to get root on the gs3, and later one that allows custom ROMs by bypassing the boot loader and booting straight into recovery each time. You will probably never see another subsidized phone or possibly any new phone with an unencrypted boot loader on Verizon ever again unless they somehow allow another nexus phone, and I doubt they will.
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with out abilty to now flash custom kernels...the developer model is almost worthless...the only advantage the developer model gives you right now is a slightly cleaner, more elegant path to custom kernels...
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with out abilty to now flash custom kernels...the developer model is almost worthless...the only advantage the developer model gives you right now is a slightly cleaner, more elegant path to custom kernels...
The developer models does exactly what you think it doesn't.
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With the encrypted boot loader, it makes direct flashing of custom kernels, ROMs, and recoveries impossible.
The locked bootloader only prevents flashing a custom kernel over the stock kernel. It does not prevent flashing custom ROMs and/or custom recoveries and has nothing to do with rooting the phone.

There is a workaround that puts a custom kernel in the recovery image and one boots into recovery to instead get a custom kernel. Again, this has nothing to do with rooting (root is Windows Administrator account counterpart).
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The locked bootloader only prevents flashing a custom kernel over the stock kernel. It does not prevent flashing custom ROMs and/or custom recoveries and has nothing to do with rooting the phone.

There is a workaround that puts a custom kernel in the recovery image and one boots into recovery to instead get a custom kernel. Again, this has nothing to do with rooting (root is Windows Administrator account counterpart).
Flashing custom ROMs and recoveries on this phone is an anomaly because on most Motorola devices with the encrypted boot loader, that is not possible without exploits. Unlike Motorola, they did not make it so that recovery.img has to be signed.
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