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Old March 15th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm considering this phone. Currently on the GNex.
First smartphone was completely locked down and filled with carrier bloat. So having a Galaxy Nexus that's completely open and developer friendly, I don't ever want another locked down phone again.

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If you're talking about a Verizon phone, then probably in all likelihood it will be a locked bootloader. Remember, they were the only ones to request to have a locked bootloader when it came to the SGSIII and all the other carriers didn't care.

Verizon has always been a bit of a control freak when it comes to their devices. If you want some more freedom with your device, go to another carrier such as AT&T or T-Mobile.
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I want to. But AT&T would be like $10 cheaper and T-Mobile about the same. Pre-paid with those two doesn't include extended network. The only reason I stay with Verizon is because they have the best network and I travel a lot.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ting say they will be carrying it as soon as it is available their service runs on sprint but has free roaming on Verizon. Their phones basically are just sprint devices... might be worth looking at see if they suit your needs.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Verizon hasn't released a phone since the Gnex that didn't have an encrypted bootloader. Some have been unlocked via unlock tools, had leaks that lead to unlocks, or been cracked; but all have been initially encrypted. No doubt Adam Outler will probably take up the fight to unlock the Verizon S4 because he seems to enjoy sticking it to Verizon by cracking their bootloaders.
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Well its already a unlock for it but its a law that say we can't unlock but when it is lifted it will be exposed .how to unlock ..
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This wont be a prepaid on Verizon wireless for about 6to12 months after it is released
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Well its already a unlock for it but its a law that say we can't unlock but when it is lifted it will be exposed .how to unlock ..
The law is against sim unlocking a phone for use on another carrier other than what it is originally locked into. Bootloader unlocking is completely legal.
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AT&T version has a locked bootloader, so it would be almost guarantee that the Verizon version is locked.
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AT&T version has a locked bootloader, so it would be almost guarantee that the Verizon version is locked.
Yup, but it looks like the AT&T bootloader was unlocked/cracked!

Dan Rosenberg Appears to Have Hacked the Bootloader on the Galaxy S4 – Droid Life

Hopefully the same method works for the VZW variant when it's out.
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Yeah, let's just hope the Verizon version doesn't get patched to block which ever exploit he used. Something tells me Samsung locks these devices, but doesn't put their heart into it like Motorola does.
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Yeah, let's just hope the Verizon version doesn't get patched to block which ever exploit he used. Something tells me Samsung locks these devices, but doesn't put their heart into it like Motorola does.
Yeah, I get the same feeling. It's like they do a half-a**ed job so they can tell the carrier "see, we locked it" just to appease them.

I heard a rumor Dan isn't releasing the unlock method until after the VZW variant is out. Perhaps to prevent VZW from re-signing the BL or from changing how it's locked? I wouldn't put it past Verizon...
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Yeah, I get the same feeling. It's like they do a half-a**ed job so they can tell the carrier "see, we locked it" just to appease them.

I heard a rumor Dan isn't releasing the unlock method until after the VZW variant is out. Perhaps to prevent VZW from re-signing the BL or from changing how it's locked? I wouldn't put it past Verizon...

It's a good move IMO. I'm actually surprised he revealed that he succeeded because it still give Verizon the chance to change it. But at least they're flying blind as to what they need to change.
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It's a good move IMO. I'm actually surprised he revealed that he succeeded because it still give Verizon the chance to change it. But at least they're flying blind as to what they need to change.
Agreed, it's a great move. Hopefully the lack of details will keep VZW from compensating
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Dan reports that the VZW bootloader is locked, but his exploit on the other variants works on the VZW one!

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Tits!

But I might hold off for the Motorola X Phone
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But I might hold off for the Motorola X Phone
Yeah I'm torn between replacing this nexus with a phone with a decent radio (big assumption there is that it has a better signal than the GNex) now or waiting to see if a ROM'able Moto or HTC phone comes to Verizon. I may just jump ship to *gasp* AT&T when the next Nexus comes out...decisions decisions!
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Yeah, I'm hoping the Motorola X Phone is something special, but from what I'm reading in the rumor mill is that it'll not be anything special.
The Motorola bootloader for the Razr HD has been cracked, so hopefully future Motorola phones will be unlockable.
I'm thinking the S4 might be my next phone. I'm not going to be one of the first to buy. I kinda want to wait and see how this holds up on Verizon, and then I'll either stay on Verizon and get it, or ditch Verizon
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Yeah, I'm hoping the Motorola X Phone is something special, but from what I'm reading in the rumor mill is that it'll not be anything special.
The Motorola bootloader for the Razr HD has been cracked, so hopefully future Motorola phones will be unlockable.
I'm thinking the S4 might be my next phone. I'm not going to be one of the first to buy. I kinda want to wait and see how this holds up on Verizon, and then I'll either stay on Verizon and get it, or ditch Verizon
Yeah I'm kind of in the same situation. My contract is up (on 2nd line, 1st line is done w/contract) in January, but I'm pondering waiting for the next Nexus and if it's LTE capable I'll probably switch to AT&T and get that. But I'm not sure how much longer I can live with the Nexus' piss-poor radio. It's beginning to really get annoying dropping to 3g constantly or having to toggle airplane mode and getting a terrible signal indoors.
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Yeah I'm kind of in the same situation. My contract is up (on 2nd line, 1st line is done w/contract) in January, but I'm pondering waiting for the next Nexus and if it's LTE capable I'll probably switch to AT&T and get that. But I'm not sure how much longer I can live with the Nexus' piss-poor radio. It's beginning to really get annoying dropping to 3g constantly or having to toggle airplane mode and getting a terrible signal indoors.
If you have decent T-Mobile signal, and there's LTE in your area, the Nexus 4 will pick it up with some mild hacking. Nothing too stressful for a nexus though.
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If you have decent T-Mobile signal, and there's LTE in your area, the Nexus 4 will pick it up with some mild hacking. Nothing too stressful for a nexus though.
Unfortunately the t-mo coverage here is pretty bad
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Unfortunately the t-mo coverage here is pretty bad
Yeah, is pretty hit or miss. It's decent here, but we don't have hspa+42, let alone lte.
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Yeah, is pretty hit or miss. It's decent here, but we don't have hspa+42, let alone lte.
So basically, my house is in the dead center of a crappy signal for T-Mobile. You can't make this stuff up! LOL! The definition of "satisfactory" is basically "usually gets a signal outside, sometimes gets a signal in a car, rarely gets one in a building" or something like that...same for voice coverage in this location. I'm at the center of a T-Mobile black hole!

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does the locked bootloader on the S4 mean its not safe to root?
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does the locked bootloader on the S4 mean its not safe to root?
Doesn't mean it's not safe, but usually means that it's more difficult than say a nexus device where it's incredibly simple. What it truly means is that flashing custom roms or kernels is impossible until it's unlocked, an exploit, or a workaround is found.
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Doesn't mean it's not safe, but usually means that it's more difficult than say a nexus device where it's incredibly simple. What it truly means is that flashing custom roms or kernels is impossible until it's unlocked, an exploit, or a workaround is found.

Is that why this method of rooting of works because the prerelease and stock kernels are considered "official"?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2290798
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Is that why this method of rooting of works because the prerelease and stock kernels are considered "official"?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2290798
Yes. Because the kernel they have you downgrade to is official, it passes the signature checks necessary for the device to boot up. Then since it had the security hole necessary for the motochopper exploit to work.
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So they got the bootloader unlocked? Sweet!
This is potentially my next phone. The only thing I'm waiting for is a 32GB internal memory version on Verizon.
Edit: this is what I would've said if they had the bootloader unlocked
I feel your phone should be like your PC. You pay money for your computer, you can put whatever operating system you want on it, you can tweak it out however you want, and you pay for whatever internet provider you want.
You pay for your cell phone, you should be able to run whatever OS you want, you should be able to tweak it to perform how you want it to, and you should pay for your phone/data service and not have your provider dictate what you use your phone or service for.
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Was the unlocking method released yet for Verizon?
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I think so. I haven't bothered with getting one do to the lack of a 32GB version.
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It's not an unlocking method, it's a work-around. Essentially roms and kernels with have to be patched, and the aboot modified so as to allow the device to boot the modified roms and kernels. It will not boot roms and kernels that aren't modified because it's still locked.
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So... Revisiting this because of the possibility of a 32GB version.
Is there an unlocked bootloader?
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Not unlocked, but a suitable workaround.


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It's not an unlocking method, it's a work-around. Essentially roms and kernels with have to be patched, and the aboot modified so as to allow the device to boot the modified roms and kernels. It will not boot roms and kernels that aren't modified because it's still locked.
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But without an unlocked bootloader will it get official support from ROMs like CM and AOKP?
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But without an unlocked bootloader will it get official support from ROMs like CM and AOKP?
CM is already building nightlies for it, so I think it's official there.

AOKP is still up in the air as the maintainer doesn't have a device. You can donate to get him one here:

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I get the feeling that until he has one, it will not be officially supported by the AOKP team.
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I have unlimited data on Verizon now, but I really really want a Nexus phone or maybe the Moto X. I dunno, the S4 with AOSP and 32GB sounds nice.
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