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Default The Facts about VZW's Share Everything Plans

Due to the overwhelming response in this forum regarding the new Share Everything Plans, I have decided to do some research, and prepare a guide with everything that you might want to know regarding the plan, and what your options are going forward. This information comes from the Verizon Training Guide.

Plan Basics:

Monthly Line Access Fee – This is what you pay for each device on your plan. Included in this fee is access to unlimited minutes, unlimited texts, and free hotspot usage for any eligible devices (uses your data allotment however).

Smartphones: $40
Basic Phones: $30
Jetpacks/Netbooks/Notebooks/USB Modem cards: $20
Tablets: $10

Monthly Account Access Fee – This is basically what I refer to as your Data bucket. Its how much data you will be allotted per month that you share among all your devices.

300 MB: $40 (One Device)
1 GB: $50
2 GB: $60
4 GB: $70
6 GB: $80
8 GB: $90

This continues on up to 30GB, adding $10 for every 2 GB more you want. If you want 20GB, $150, 30GB, it is $200.

If you go over your data allowance, you are subject to a $15 per GB charge. Let me make a recommendation. Verizon provides free text messages with data usage warnings when you hit 50, 75, and 100% of your usage for the month. If you are on track to use more than your allowance, and don’t have the ability to cut back, call Verizon, and bump your plan for that month. You can always call back the next month and have it reduced if it was just a fluke, but this simple action will save you $5.

**Special Plan Pricing: There seems to be one special plan included under the Share Everything plan structure, for extremely low data users with a smartphone. This still requires unlimited minutes and texts, but has only 300MB of data added for $40. So for a single smartphone user, the total plan cost would be $80. But I am not 100% clear on this plan, so please contact Verizon CSR if you are interested. This plan is only valid for a single line.

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Here is some extra details regarding the implementation of this plan for New and Existing Customers.

New Verizon Customers:

**ALL New Verizon customers will be forced onto the new Share Everything Plan. Even single lines must use this plan. This means, that for someone moving to Verizon to buy a smartphone, they have no choice but to buy an unlimited minute and text plan. That means that the minimum plan price on Verizon for a single line new customer with a smartphone is $90 ($40 Line Access fee + $50 for 1GB). *(Unless the Special Plan pricing above is valid, and then you can get a 300MB allowance for $80 total)

Existing Verizon Customers:

For existing customers, Verizon is not forcing you to change anything. You may keep the plan you are on, with the data features you have, etc (With the exception of unlimited data when upgrading at subsidized price). Here are some extra details applying to existing customers:

Corporate Discounts:If you switch to the Share Everything plan, your corporate discount will only apply to the Account Access fee (ie Data Bucket). It will not apply to the Line Access Fee for each device. So if you have two smartphones, and a 4GB data bucket, your discount will be X% off of the $70 Account Access fee, and you will receive no discount for the 2 $40 line access fees for each smartphone.

Special Account Pricing or Discounts: If you have a special discount (ie $9.99 Data plan, double data promo, etc.) you will lose it by switching over to Share Everything.

Add a line: If you need to add a line, you are free to do so without having to transfer to a Share Everything plan. If you are adding a smartphone line, you will have to choose from the old tiered plans (2GB for $30, 5GB for $50, etc.) - Thanks Doit2it

Unlimited Data:After June 28th, you can no longer retain your unlimited plan when buying a phone under subsidized pricing. Also you will lose your unlimited data if you switch your plan over to a Share Everything plan. But here are some extra details on the unlimited data feature treatment.

You may KEEP your unlimited data IF:
n You buy a phone at full retail price from Verizon and add it to your line.
n You buy a used phone from a third party and add it to your line
n You buy a CPO phone (unsubsidized) from a Verizon Store location which offers them.
n You upgrade at the subsidized price on another line, then transfer that phone over to your unlimited line. (However you cannot transfer your upgrade from the unlimited line to another line, this will cause you to lose unlimited data).

Buying a subsidized phone means you WILL lose your unlimited, however you are NOT required to sign up for the Share Everything Plan at that time. Instead you may choose to be signed up for the 2GB for $30 plan.

Also, if you decide to give up your unlimited plan, and buy a subsidized phone, but change your mind and return it within 14 days, you WILL be able to get your unlimited data back.

I hope this information answers any questions you have about the new Plans.

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After June 28th, you can no longer retain your unlimited plan when buying a phone under subsidized pricing

So this means that if we do so before the 28th we'll retain our unlimited data, correct?
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After June 28th, you can no longer retain your unlimited plan when buying a phone under subsidized pricing

So this means that if we do so before the 28th we'll retain our unlimited data, correct?
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You upgrade at the subsidized price on another line, then transfer that phone over to your unlimited line.
After doing this, can you then transfer your upgrade from the unlimited line over to the line you used the upgrade on?
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After doing this, can you then transfer your upgrade from the unlimited line over to the line you used the upgrade on?
No. To use an upgrade, even if you transfer it to another line, means you are renewing your contract on the original line the upgrade is coming from. This would remove unlimited data for that line.
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I have 3 phones on my account - one unlimited data and two basic phones (no data). However, if I buy a subsidized smartphone for one of the no-data lines (since they are eligible for upgrade), will I HAVE to have a data subscription on that line? Even if I'm not going to use the smartphone on that line?

I know that this is OK at ATT but I don't think VZW lets you get away with it...
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I have 3 phones on my account - one unlimited data and two basic phones (no data). However, if I buy a subsidized smartphone for one of the no-data lines (since they are eligible for upgrade), will I HAVE to have a data subscription on that line? Even if I'm not going to use the smartphone on that line?

I know that this is OK at ATT but I don't think VZW lets you get away with it...
Verizon requires a data package for any smart phone.
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I have 3 phones on my account - one unlimited data and two basic phones (no data). However, if I buy a subsidized smartphone for one of the no-data lines (since they are eligible for upgrade), will I HAVE to have a data subscription on that line? Even if I'm not going to use the smartphone on that line?

I know that this is OK at ATT but I don't think VZW lets you get away with it...
You are correct, you are not allowed to have a smartphone without data. However, here is what you can do.

Upgrade the dumbphone to the smartphone. Then immediately re-activate the dumbphone. Then activate the new smartphone on the unlimited line. The data package is not required to maintain your contract, AS LONG AS YOU BOUGHT THE SMARTPHONE FROM VERIZON DIRECTLY. (3rd party sellers have their own terms, which usually require the data package to remain on the line for a period of time or you will be charged their ETF.) Therefore by reactivating the dumbphone, you can cancel the data package.
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You are correct, you are not allowed to have a smartphone without data. However, here is what you can do.

Upgrade the dumbphone to the smartphone. Then immediately re-activate the dumbphone. Then activate the new smartphone on the unlimited line. The data package is not required to maintain your contract, AS LONG AS YOU BOUGHT THE SMARTPHONE FROM VERIZON DIRECTLY. (3rd party sellers have their own terms, which usually require the data package to remain on the line for a period of time or you will be charged their ETF.) Therefore by reactivating the dumbphone, you can cancel the data package.
Oh wow! So I could simply NOT activate the smartphone (instead re-active the dumbphone) and therefore, keep my unlimited data and not have to pay data on the new line??

Thank you for your help! That's awesome!
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Hypothetical...

What if you are an existing customer with a single line unlimited data plan and decide to upgrade at the subsidized price, are you forced into the share plan pricing, or can you choose one of the current single line tiered plans?

Or is that what you are saying here:

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Buying a subsidized phone means you WILL lose your unlimited, however you are NOT required to sign up for the Share Everything Plan at that time. Instead you may choose to be signed up for the 2GB for $30 plan.
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Oh wow! So I could simply NOT activate the smartphone (instead re-active the dumbphone) and therefore, keep my unlimited data and not have to pay data on the new line??

Thank you for your help! That's awesome!
Well you will need to activate the phone on the line you used to upgrade, to complete the upgrade process, but you can immediately reactivate the old one.





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What if you are an existing customer with a single line unlimited data plan and decide to upgrade at the subsidized price, are you forced into the share plan pricing, or can you choose one of the current single line tiered plans?

Or is that what you are saying here:
That's what I'm saying.
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New Verizon Customers:

ALL New Verizon customers will be forced onto the new Share Everything Plan. This has not been made clear yet that I have seen. Even single lines must use this plan. This means, that for someone moving to Verizon to buy a smartphone, they have no choice but to buy an unlimited minute and text plan. That means that the minimum plan price on Verizon for a single line new customer with a smartphone is $90 ($40 Line Access fee + $50 for 1GB). *(Unless the Special Plan pricing above is valid, and then you can get a 300MB allowance for $80 total)
I have confirmed that this is incorrect through personal friends, calling multiple CSR supervisors, and also asking on Twitter myself.

I have also found multiple people ask on Twitter this exact question.

https://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/213741091407675393
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I have confirmed that this is incorrect through personal friends, calling multiple CSR supervisors, and also asking on Twitter myself.

I have also found multiple people ask on Twitter this exact question.

https://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/213741091407675393
I suppose it is possible that Verizon has backtracked since publishing the training guide due to the outcry. But the training guide specifically states what I put. I will follow up on this.
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I suppose it is possible that Verizon has backtracked since publishing the training guide due to the outcry. But the training guide specifically states what I put. I will follow up on this.
The couple of CSR supervisors I spoke with said that the training document was incorrect. They just received training the morning of when I called and this specific question about new customers was touched over.

Of course they could all be full of it like always but I'm going with what I've heard from every single Verizon related person I've talked to. It also just doesn't make sense that Verizon would force people into 1 plan only. They would have ZERO individual lines which they make the most money on.
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The couple of CSR supervisors I spoke with said that the training document was incorrect. They just received training the morning of when I called and this specific question about new customers was touched over.

Of course they could all be full of it like always but I'm going with what I've heard from every single Verizon related person I've talked to. It also just doesn't make sense that Verizon would force people into 1 plan only. They would have ZERO individual lines which they make the most money on.
Alright, thanks for the heads up about this. I will change the post later when I can get to my PC.
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Of course they could all be full of it like always but I'm going with what I've heard from every single Verizon related person I've talked to. It also just doesn't make sense that Verizon would force people into 1 plan only. They would have ZERO individual lines which they make the most money on.
In my case they would make more if I had to go to the shared plan. My bill would go from $90 (450 minutes unlimited txt/data) before discounts to $110 (unlimited calls/txt 4GB data) to cover my data usage...
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Alright, thanks for the heads up about this. I will change the post later when I can get to my PC.
Who knows. People on other forums supposedly have sources which claim Share Everything is the only option for new customers.
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Cares- After investigating it more last night, I am going to put an asterisk. The tweet you linked to shows what you are saying, however there is another set of tweets a few hours later which says the opposite.

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Man this is confusing. Please help me sort through this. I have the orig HTC Incredible, its over 2 years old. My wife has an equally old dumb phone. I have unlimited data, a work discount off my line, (actually its my wifes work and we my phone listed under her name @ verizon) and the same work discount on my data, and about a year ago verizon sent me a text saying I could get another $10 data discount, so I called and they did. (they had no idea why, neither do I). So you can see I pay very little for data. And my wife pays none.

We both want the new HTC incredible 4g LTE, but of course don't know release date.

I know I need to get a new phone before the 28th if I want a phone subsidized for me. I was going to preorder the Samsung G3, but now it ends tomorrow, and I wanted to wait till the 21st to see if inc 4g comes out. So I will wait and see. If it doesnt come out, I will get whatever phone has highest resale on ebay. Then buy outright the inc 4g when its out.

Do I have the above info correct?

What about my wife? Can I still get her unlimited data? Or what should I do with her? Are we better off having her get an old smart phone off swappa/ebay and activate it and add data OR get a subsidized one thru big red? IF so, I think I would have her get the rezound, although she wants a smaller one like the inc 4g.

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Man this is confusing. Please help me sort through this. I have the orig HTC Incredible, its over 2 years old. My wife has an equally old dumb phone. I have unlimited data, a work discount off my line, (actually its my wifes work and we my phone listed under her name @ verizon) and the same work discount on my data, and about a year ago verizon sent me a text saying I could get another $10 data discount, so I called and they did. (they had no idea why, neither do I). So you can see I pay very little for data. And my wife pays none.

We both want the new HTC incredible 4g LTE, but of course don't know release date.

I know I need to get a new phone before the 28th if I want a phone subsidized for me. I was going to preorder the Samsung G3, but now it ends tomorrow, and I wanted to wait till the 21st to see if inc 4g comes out. So I will wait and see. If it doesnt come out, I will get whatever phone has highest resale on ebay. Then buy outright the inc 4g when its out.

Do I have the above info correct?

What about my wife? Can I still get her unlimited data? Or what should I do with her? Are we better off having her get an old smart phone off swappa/ebay and activate it and add data OR get a subsidized one thru big red? IF so, I think I would have her get the rezound, although she wants a smaller one like the inc 4g.

Sorry for the long post! I really appreciate you guys helping me with this! I don't post a lot, but I do read and learn a lot on these forums! Any advice on this is GREATLY appreciated!
As far as your line, you will need to upgrade prior to the 28th, it seems you know that. I am not sure the 17th pre-order end date for the SGS3 is accurate, and you can be certain that will be the highest resale price phone.

Regarding your wife's line, there really is no hurry, upgrading her line before or after the 28th won't make a difference. She will be put on the 2GB plan either way. So if she wants the Inc 4G then she can wait until it releases, and purchase it subsidized at that time.
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If I remember correctly the June 17th pre-order end date was mentioned by a radio-shack employee.

When I chatted with a vzw rep they assured me that there would be no "black-out" between the end of pre-orders and the official release.

So if pre orders end the 17th, that is also when regular orders would start. Or pre-orders won't end until the phone is released in early july.

I personally would trust a vzw rep to know better than a radioshack employee what vzw is doing.

My guess is the 17th is the end date for pre-orders on all other carriers that are releasing this week. Those lucky non vzw customers.
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ok how about this.
I have 5 phones on the current plan. 3 are smart and two are dumb. My wife has a dumb phone and is not sure if she wants a smart phone. If we upgrade her before the 28th we keep current plan and she gets her 2 gb for 30 bucks. IF she decides to upgrade after that magic date, are we stuck to the shared data system or can she just choose to stay with our plan and pay the 30 per 2 gb?
I do not want to force her to get the smart phone but also I do not want to be shafted by a too late decision on her part. The new share plan would cost us an extra 70 bucks before taxes based on our current plan and data use so I do not want to end up in that bracket if we can avoid it.
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ok how about this.
I have 5 phones on the current plan. 3 are smart and two are dumb. My wife has a dumb phone and is not sure if she wants a smart phone. If we upgrade her before the 28th we keep current plan and she gets her 2 gb for 30 bucks. IF she decides to upgrade after that magic date, are we stuck to the shared data system or can she just choose to stay with our plan and pay the 30 per 2 gb?
I do not want to force her to get the smart phone but also I do not want to be shafted by a too late decision on her part. The new share plan would cost us an extra 70 bucks before taxes based on our current plan and data use so I do not want to end up in that bracket if we can avoid it.
Same as red97xj... They won't force existing customers onto the Share Everything plan, so she would get the 2GB for $30, no matter when you do it. No reason to rush her
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Very confusing. I currently have 5 phones. 4 are smart phones. 3 have unlimited data, 1 has 4 GB -only 4g phone....the others are 3g only. (Last one is sons "dumb phone").

Just did a check on data usage for past 6 months. Highest usage by one phone was 1.85 GB. Taking highest usage of all phones, max was 4.38 GB data. Currently pay about $340.00 for everything (700 minutes/unlimited texts/$30.00 each data phone.....)

If I wanted to switch plans, and wanted 10GB (which would seem like enough....), I would be paying $290....? (Plus taxes....)
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Very confusing. I currently have 5 phones. 4 are smart phones. 3 have unlimited data, 1 has 4 GB -only 4g phone....the others are 3g only. (Last one is sons "dumb phone").

Just did a check on data usage for past 6 months. Highest usage by one phone was 1.85 GB. Taking highest usage of all phones, max was 4.38 GB data. Currently pay about $340.00 for everything (700 minutes/unlimited texts/$30.00 each data phone.....)

If I wanted to switch plans, and wanted 10GB (which would seem like enough....), I would be paying $290....? (Plus taxes....)
$40 X 4 + $30 + $100 = $290, that's correct.
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I guess that means I dont have to panic too much...My phone contract has been up since last July.(original Droid...) Husband's and son since 2/2010. I dont think we have ever gone past data limits, so I can wait on prices of phones to come down. If I desperately want one at a subsidized price, I should be ok....
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You are correct, you are not allowed to have a smartphone without data. However, here is what you can do.

Upgrade the dumbphone to the smartphone. Then immediately re-activate the dumbphone. Then activate the new smartphone on the unlimited line. The data package is not required to maintain your contract, AS LONG AS YOU BOUGHT THE SMARTPHONE FROM VERIZON DIRECTLY. (3rd party sellers have their own terms, which usually require the data package to remain on the line for a period of time or you will be charged their ETF.) Therefore by reactivating the dumbphone, you can cancel the data package.

As an existing customer in the same situation as the poster above (3 total lines: 1 data, 2 dumb) if I plan to add another line (a dumb phone for a 4th line) AFTER the June 28th date, I should still be able add it for $9.99 extra a month, since I'm still under the terms of my current agreement/plan, correct?

OR... I can use the workaround you mentioned above and purchase a smartphone for that 4th line, move it to my primary to conserve unlimited data, and then buy a dumb phone from ebay or Craigslist and activate it and just pay $9.99 per month for the extra line, right? (For third parties that allow this, I heard Costco will let you do the swap, which is great since they have a very good 90 day exchange policy.)

Do you think Verizon will eventually eliminate this workaround after June 28 or possibly sometime later to prevent ppl from keeping their unlimited data plans? From my experience of 7+ years as a Verizon customer, I would not be surprised at all. They've taken so many things away throughout the years...
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I have 3 phones on my account - one unlimited data and two basic phones (no data). However, if I buy a subsidized smartphone for one of the no-data lines (since they are eligible for upgrade), will I HAVE to have a data subscription on that line? Even if I'm not going to use the smartphone on that line?

I know that this is OK at ATT but I don't think VZW lets you get away with it...
If you are looking to upgrade the smartphone and it is not eligible for an upgrade - but one of the dumbphones is - there is a far more elegant way to accomplish this. You can simply log into your VZW account and transfer the upgrade from the dumbphone to the smartphone. But you have to do it before the 28th if you want to keep your unlimited data.

I did this yesterday (actually I added a new line first, which is something we were planning on anyway, then transferred the upgrade to my year-old DX2).

Apologies if I mis-read or misunderstood the problem.
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The $10 tablet kind of surprises me, but only because they have the ability to use so much data.

Of the 35gig we used this month 90% of it was my wife's trial sub to Hulu+
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As an existing customer in the same situation as the poster above (3 total lines: 1 data, 2 dumb) if I plan to add another line (a dumb phone for a 4th line) AFTER the June 28th date, I should still be able add it for $9.99 extra a month, since I'm still under the terms of my current agreement/plan, correct?

OR... I can use the workaround you mentioned above and purchase a smartphone for that 4th line, move it to my primary to conserve unlimited data, and then buy a dumb phone from ebay or Craigslist and activate it and just pay $9.99 per month for the extra line, right? (For third parties that allow this, I heard Costco will let you do the swap, which is great since they have a very good 90 day exchange policy.)

Do you think Verizon will eventually eliminate this workaround after June 28 or possibly sometime later to prevent ppl from keeping their unlimited data plans? From my experience of 7+ years as a Verizon customer, I would not be surprised at all. They've taken so many things away throughout the years...
I don't see them getting rid of this feature anytime soon. Not too many people use it (although believe it or not I learned about it from a VZW CSR.) its basically the same thing as getting a phone unsubsidized, except you are "financing" part of the phone cost in the monthly dumbphone line cost instead of paying it up front. Verizon is still getting theirs.
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My co-worker is due for an upgrade. He is looking at the razor maxx. The account is in his name. The other two smartphones on his plan aren't due for upgrades until August an November. My question is if he upgrade now, what will happen with the upgrades on the other lines later this year. Thanks for any help.
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My co-worker is due for an upgrade. He is looking at the razor maxx. The account is in his name. The other two smartphones on his plan aren't due for upgrades until August an November. My question is if he upgrade now, what will happen with the upgrades on the other lines later this year. Thanks for any help.
Well, if they are on unlimited data, then he will have to either pay the full unsubsidized price for a new phone to maintain unlimited, or they will revert to the 2GB for $30 plan if he gets a subsidized phone.
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I decided to upgrade to Razr Maxx. Kept my unlimited data. OG Droid was stuck on Froyo. I rooted it to GB, but had issues with every ROM. CM had torch issues. Loved Steel Droid and Liquid Smooth, but had issues with the phone freezing. If there were cheaper phones, i would update the other lines available.
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Answered my own question.
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What's the consensus on upgrading on the 28th and exchanging for an Incredible 4g if it keeps the July 12th street date? Will it revert back and eliminate the unlimited data?

*EDIT* Single line Nationwide Talk and Text 450 plan with unlimited data. Not adding any second lines anytime soon.
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What's the consensus on upgrading on the 28th and exchanging for an Incredible 4g if it keeps the July 12th street date? Will it revert back and eliminate the unlimited data?

*EDIT* Single line Nationwide Talk and Text 450 plan with unlimited data. Not adding any second lines anytime soon.
The story coming from CSRs is that if you have unlimited, buy a phone prior to the 28th, you will not be able to keep your unlimited data if you want to exchange it under the 14 day policy after the 28th. The reason is because those transactions are treated as a return and purchase, as opposed to a swap. Therefore you won't be able to exchange whichever phone you buy for the Inc 4G. Sorry.
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The story coming from CSRs is that if you have unlimited, buy a phone prior to the 28th, you will not be able to keep your unlimited data if you want to exchange it under the 14 day policy after the 28th. The reason is because those transactions are treated as a return and purchase, as opposed to a swap. Therefore you won't be able to exchange whichever phone you buy for the Inc 4G. Sorry.
That is what I thought I was picking up from everything swirling around.

Well damn. I don't want the Rezound because of several reasons, age and lack of ICS becoming the top ones.

Blur has always felt bulky and obtrusive to me and I am almost always near a power source so battery life isn't a chief concern. I have also disliked Motorola products for quite some time now.

And Samsung just apes the cult of Jobs too much with the look of their UI that I can't find myself falling in love with the SIII.

So basically unless I want to pay full retail for the Incredible 4g I am boned, huh?

*EDIT* I probably should look into it but the plan I mentioned above with an employee discount I receive I pay $75/month. I rarely go above 2GB excpet this past month for some reason I hit 2.75GB.
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That is what I thought I was picking up from everything swirling around.

Well damn. I don't want the Rezound because of several reasons, age and lack of ICS becoming the top ones.

Blur has always felt bulky and obtrusive to me and I am almost always near a power source so battery life isn't a chief concern. I have also disliked Motorola products for quite some time now.

And Samsung just apes the cult of Jobs too much with the look of their UI that I can't find myself falling in love with the SIII.

So basically unless I want to pay full retail for the Incredible 4g I am boned, huh?

*EDIT* I probably should look into it but the plan I mentioned above with an employee discount I receive I pay $75/month. I rarely go above 2GB excpet this past month for some reason I hit 2.75GB.
Unfortunately, I think we are going to have to come to the realization that the only way to keep our unlimited plan is to pay full price for our phones, and while that sucks, I am going to do it, rather than to lose the unlimited data that I sometimes need to use.
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Antimony,

One more clarification if you please.

Could I upgrade my line before Thursday by purchasing, say the GSIII, then pay full retail for an Incredible 4G and sell the GSIII and just swap SIMs? Or does SIM swapping invalidate the unlimited plans?

Also, I have never sold a used phone, I would never even take the GSIII out of the box, how would I go about selling it?
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Yep, you can swap SIMs all you want, no affect to your unlimited data.

As far as the GSIII, you will still need to activate it on your line. But you don't need to take the phone out to do it. I believe you can do it from this site:

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Your IMEI should be on the outside of the box.

Once you have activated it, just re-activate the phone you had before, and you are all set to sell the GSIII as NEW, unopened.
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Yep, you can swap SIMs all you want, no affect to your unlimited data.

As far as the GSIII, you will still need to activate it on your line. But you don't need to take the phone out to do it. I believe you can do it from this site:

Activate Your Phone

Your IMEI should be on the outside of the box.

Once you have activated it, just re-activate the phone you had before, and you are all set to sell the GSIII as NEW, unopened.
If you do it like this, is there a sim in the unopened box that you should take out and keep? Or does that come in a separate package?
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If you do it like this, is there a sim in the unopened box that you should take out and keep? Or does that come in a separate package?
If i remember correctly the sim is separate.
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I stopped by a authorized reseller store this evening and was told that pre-orders prior to the 28th will not keep your unlimited plan because the system doesn't finalize the transaction until the phone ships and is activated. Going to double check at a corporate store tomorrow.

Any thoughts?
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I stopped by a authorized reseller store this evening and was told that pre-orders prior to the 28th will not keep your unlimited plan because the system doesn't finalize the transaction until the phone ships and is activated. Going to double check at a corporate store tomorrow.

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1) There are numerous news sources that have reported Verizon's stance on allowing unlimited data if you preorder this phone before the 28th, and

2) I have screenshots of my preorder where it clearly shows my selection of the unlimited data plan during the checkout process.

if for some reason Verizon does not honor it, then I will present the evidence and insist that they do. If they still do not, then I will return the phone and cancel the entire order. Either way, I'm keeping my unlimited data plan!
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I stopped by a authorized reseller store this evening and was told that pre-orders prior to the 28th will not keep your unlimited plan because the system doesn't finalize the transaction until the phone ships and is activated. Going to double check at a corporate store tomorrow.

Any thoughts?
That's not what the VZW CSR told me on the phone. It's not what the VZW rep told me in the store. And it's not what the website told me when I placed the pre-order on the kiosk in the VZW store.

The problem here is that resellers may go by different rules to company stores.

if you want it done right, my advice is to do the deal through the VZW store and not a reseller in this instance.
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Upgrade the dumbphone to the smartphone. Then immediately re-activate the dumbphone. Then activate the new smartphone on the unlimited line. The data package is not required to maintain your contract, AS LONG AS YOU BOUGHT THE SMARTPHONE FROM VERIZON DIRECTLY. (3rd party sellers have their own terms, which usually require the data package to remain on the line for a period of time or you will be charged their ETF.) Therefore by reactivating the dumbphone, you can cancel the data package.
is the process as simple as...
- receive the new smartphone for dumbphone line

- *228 to active the new smartphone on dumbphone line

- immediately call back to *228 on the dumbphone to reactivate the dumbphone on the dumbphone line.

-request new sim card for smartphone that is linked to phone number of smarphone line.

- when new sim card arrives, swap the sims, take smartphone and *228 but activate it on the smartphone line (i think it asks you which phone number you want to activate the phone on during the activation process)

- you should now have original dumbphone on original dumbphone plan and new smartphone on old grandfathered unlimited data. you will never be able to use the upgrade from the line with grandfathered unlimited data (unless you want to loose unlimited data or pay retail phone price).
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Stopped by the corporate store just now. Pre-orders WILL lock in your unlimited data plan.

The CSR did say, though, that the SIM card would ship inside the phone box but not inserted into the phone.
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Is it possible to transfer the unlimited data plan of one smartphone (wife's Iphone ) for the 2GB plan on my GS3 when it arrives? I also have a dumbphone phone line that is currently on hold. Would activating that phone temporarily assist in the swap?

My current data plan is a $15 150Mb plan that has been fine by properly monitoring data use and using Wifi most of the time. The only data intense Apps my wife uses are video skype and facetime, and that is usually on Wifi because the 3G quality is so much lower.
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Is it possible to transfer the unlimited data plan of one smartphone (wife's Iphone ) for the 2GB plan on my GS3 when it arrives? I also have a dumbphone phone line that is currently on hold. Would activating that phone temporarily assist in the swap?

My current data plan is a $15 150Mb plan that has been fine by properly monitoring data use and using Wifi most of the time. The only data intense Apps my wife uses are video skype and facetime, and that is usually on Wifi because the 3G quality is so much lower.
Jumped on the PC and checked in to it, and it looks like a no go.
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