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WTF is the secured line fee of $40 and 2gb $60 mean? What if its only 1 device?

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It essence, the plans state that you will pay 40 dollars per smartphone or 30 dollars per dumbphone on the plan. This gets you the unlimited minutes and unlimited texting. Since their policy is that all data enabled devices MUST have a data plan, you then get to choose your data "bucket." This starts at $50 for 1gb, $60 for 2gb, and from there $10 extra per 2gb. A rip off, I know
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That's crazy...I'm on tmobile with the nexus 4 using the $30 monthly 4g plan(100min talk,unlim text,5gb data) and that's not because it was cheap because thats I wanted and needed, I don't talk much...I hope Verizon can learn from other company's they'll get more people from middle class/blue collar workers..$100+ a month can be towards a lot of other things...
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If I was responsible for my families plan, wed all be on the T-Mobile $30 one
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I still have two unlimited data plans on Verizon, and even with them, I can't wait to leave them once my contract is up. I plan on going to that 30 dollar plan as well, because that is easily the best deal in the US Mobile world.
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Yep, I've been on Verizon for a very long time and current have a 5 phone, unlimited data plan that I'm pay through the nose for. I'm really glad to see that other companies are starting to offer 'sane' price plans. As soon as my kids (currently all college age) are off on their own I will be ditching Verizon for something more realistic. They have great service but their prices are quickly becoming out of line.
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Yep, I've been on Verizon for a very long time and current have a 5 phone, unlimited data plan that I'm pay through the nose for. I'm really glad to see that other companies are starting to offer 'sane' price plans. As soon as my kids (currently all college age) are off on their own I will be ditching Verizon for something more realistic. They have great service but their prices are quickly becoming out of line.
It's true. My phone bill should not be more than my monthly car payment.
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That's crazy...I'm on tmobile with the nexus 4 using the $30 monthly 4g plan(100min talk,unlim text,5gb data) and that's not because it was cheap because thats I wanted and needed, I don't talk much...I hope Verizon can learn from other company's they'll get more people from middle class/blue collar workers..$100+ a month can be towards a lot of other things...
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Even with VZW's pricing they added 2.1 million customers. It's like suggesting Apple should lower iPhone prices so they could sell more iPhones.
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It essence, the plans state that you will pay 40 dollars per smartphone or 30 dollars per dumbphone on the plan. This gets you the unlimited minutes and unlimited texting. Since their policy is that all data enabled devices MUST have a data plan, you then get to choose your data "bucket." This starts at $50 for 1gb, $60 for 2gb, and from there $10 extra per 2gb. A rip off, I know
A rip off? Maybe for some, but people need to realize that it's good for some.

Me for example. I have 4 lines on my account...was over $400 a month...10GB share everything plan dropped me to $290...$110 savings.

Must be a rip...
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A rip off? Maybe for some, but people need to realize that it's good for some.

Me for example. I have 4 lines on my account...was over $400 a month...10GB share everything plan dropped me to $290...$110 savings.

Must be a rip...
Indeed, it looks like this plan is really good for you. I know for people who had unlimited minutes on the old plans saved money on these plans just about every time. However I know people with bare minimum minutes, unlimited data and either no text or low text that were paying 65 a month, and with this new plan they're paying least 25 more. These plans really screw over individual plan customers which is what the op is. They seem to be alright for large family plans. I know for me personally, if I were to switch, it would cost me 20 extra a month, and I'm already paying 220 a month.
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A rip off? Maybe for some, but people need to realize that it's good for some.

Me for example. I have 4 lines on my account...was over $400 a month...10GB share everything plan dropped me to $290...$110 savings.

Must be a rip...
I can give you 4 other company's that'll save you $290...
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Add me to he list of people that saved money, and I was coming from a 1400 minute plan, not unlimited.

EDIT: You are right though, for one line it's very expensive.
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Indeed, it looks like this plan is really good for you. I know for people who had unlimited minutes on the old plans saved money on these plans just about every time. However I know people with bare minimum minutes, unlimited data and either no text or low text that were paying 65 a month, and with this new plan they're paying least 25 more. These plans really screw over individual plan customers which is what the op is. They seem to be alright for large family plans. I know for me personally, if I were to switch, it would cost me 20 extra a month, and I'm already paying 220 a month.
Can't wait to not be paying more for my phone bill than my car payment.


bull issshhhhh. Current customers before June of 2012 were able to keep whatever plan that they had and go up and go down in tiers of their plan. They were never forced to change plans with VZW. They were forced during upgrade if they unlimited data to either go towards 30 dollars for 2gb or share.


Here is bare bone pricing with VZW old plans for grandfathers customers

450 Talk for 39.99
250 Text for 5
Unl Data for 29.99


75 bucks right there.

Share everything

Unl Talk and Text 40 bucks
300 mb data 40 bucks


80 bucks ritght there and Wifi is everywhere.
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Lets look at the old plan pricing for 2 smart phone users on a basic phone calling plan.

700 Talk and text Plan

80 dollars for the account, 10 bucks per line. Thats 100 dollars right there.

29.99 unl data and 29.99 unl data comes out to be 60 bucks.

Thats 160 dollars for 2 lines of service.


Share everything plan.

40 bucks per phone equals 80

1gb of data is 50, 2 gb of data is 60, 4 gb of data is 70


That comes out to 130, 140 or 150 compared to 160.



It's all about supply and demand. You get what you pay for. I have seen a ton of VZW customers and everyone I know who has VZW saved money by changing plans.
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Add me to he list of people that saved money, and I was coming from a 1400 minute plan, not unlimited.

EDIT: You are right though, for one line it's very expensive.


And new customers who walk into a VZW store and want to have 1 iphone or 1 Galaxy Note 2 know that they are going to be paying minimum 80 bucks per month for the plan. Nobody from VZW is forcing these people to sign up for the contract and accept the plan with a gun to their head. People know up front what they are signing for. If they cant afford it in the long run, that's not VZW's fault or responsibility.
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One more thing before I go.


I see alot of people cry about VZW pricing than they look at ATT and Spring pricing and realize it's all close together. You get what you pay for. Do you want to spend 100 bucks a month being able to use the Iphone 5 on the VZW Network with 4g LTE and be able to use your phone 99 percent of the time.

Or would you rather pay 50 bucks a month for some wack boost mobile phone that was relevant in 2010 standards and have your phone work as intended 50 percent of the time? You might be saving money but if your phone connection is dropping calls left and right, text messages aren't coming in and your phone cant stream pandora when you want to listen to music on your commute. Well you are throwing 50 bucks down the drain.
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WTF is the secured line fee of $40 and 2gb $60 mean? What if its only 1 device?


It's called the share everything plan because the plan unlocks free of charge the mobile hot spot feature on your phone that was a previous 20 buck per month charge before. That enables you to use your phone as a wireless modem and connect other wifi enabled devices to it and use your data plan allowance with vzw.

Which is why even for 1 line it's called share everything.
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bull issshhhhh. Current customers before June of 2012 were able to keep whatever plan that they had and go up and go down in tiers of their plan. They were never forced to change plans with VZW. They were forced during upgrade if they unlimited data to either go towards 30 dollars for 2gb or share.


Here is bare bone pricing with VZW old plans for grandfathers customers

450 Talk for 39.99
250 Text for 5
Unl Data for 29.99


75 bucks right there.

Share everything

Unl Talk and Text 40 bucks
300 mb data 40 bucks


80 bucks ritght there and Wifi is everywhere.
You just compared an unlimited data plan to a 300 mb plan that now costs $5 more. And you don't see why people think it's a bad deal?

And wifi is hardly "everywhere".
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Ooooooo and 1 last thing. The plan is genius by VZW for several reasons.

1. For the majority of customers it's a more affordable bill with vzw compared to previous plan pricing. This increases current customers happiness with VZW by being able to change their plan and save money compared to previous plans.

2. It forces all customers onto unlimited talk and text plans with VZW. Non unlimited plans had overage rates ranging from 35-45 cents per minute after your plan and 10 cents per message after your plan. That quickly added up if you weren't watching your usage. The benefit for VZW is that they don't have upset customers calling about their bill and several hundred dollars in overage. The other benefit is that customers aren't calling to care or going to store upset about their bill and wanting adjustments.

3. It pretty much forced reps with VZW to educate their customer on how to monitor their usage and bill via MY Verizon, the app or the data widget. Also lead to reps educating customers to connect to Wifi when available, stop streaming apps that you had no intention of using. This leads to less strain on the VZW data network.


Win-Win situation. Which is the reason why ATT followed right after because it was a brilliant idea.
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You just compared an unlimited data plan to a 300 mb plan that now costs $5 more. And you don't see why people think it's a bad deal?

And wifi is hardly "everywhere".

Wifi is everywhere. Work, School, any restaurant, library, fast food joint has access to free wifi. Not my problem if someone lives out in the middle of nowhere.


That 75 buck plan was bare bone pricing for previous customers.


450 minutes? 250 Text? That is beyond bare bones. Customer goes over 50 minutes that equals 22.50 in overage at 45 cents per minute. Customer goes over 100 text, thats 10 bucks. You would be surprised how many people have overage.


80 bucks minimum with VZW for a new customer and an Iphone isn't that expensive. I hate to say it, but if you can afford to pay for an Iphone, you can afford the bill. If you cant afford an Iphone, nobody is forcing you to buy one, sign up for a contract and a minimum 80 buck plan with VZW.


Same thing applies for a Car. If you can only afford a Toyota or a Hundai, you dont go to a Benz, Audi or Lexus dealership and try to be balling.
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Verizon is the apple of ripping people off in the carrier world

Well if that is the case, how come VZW signs up more customers than they lose? How come VZW has the highest retention compared to any other cell phone company? How come VZW has the highest amount of return customers? How come VZW has the greatest amount of added customers compared to lost customers?


I dont make this stuff up. You guys act like Sprint and ATT and T Mobile are saving new customers 100 bucks a month compared to VZW pricing.
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I'll take prepaid T-Mobile for unlimited data and texts (5gb of data before throttle) and 100 minutes for $30 .

Hello voip and data services.

Fact of the matter is the carrier landscape is changing, and Verizon is fighting a losing battle as more and more people aren't willing to pay up.

The shared data plans was the last straw for many.
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I'll take prepaid T-Mobile for unlimited data and texts (5gb of data before throttle) and 100 minutes for $30 .

Hello voip and data services.

Fact of the matter is the carrier landscape is changing, and Verizon is fighting a losing battle as more and more people aren't willing to pay up.

The shared data plans was the last straw for many.



You are basing this off of what facts?

Largest install base. VZW.

More new customers. VZW

More customers gained than customers lost. VZW


Unless you know how to cheat the system and jail break phones, you aren't going to get a phone you want on T Mobile prepaid.

Most people use far more than 100 minutes a month.
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Verizon 3Q profit rises, bolstered by wireless - Yahoo! Finance


As of October 2012

Revenue increased 4 percent to $29.01 billion from $27.91 billion. That also matched analysts' expectations.

Verizon Wireless added a net 1.5 million devices to contract-based plans in the third quarter, more than it has in many years. Analysts were expecting it to add about 900,000. Including non-contract devices, overall additions were the strongest in four years.



VZW after adding new plans. Increased Revenue, Profit and Customers.



Yup, that share everything plan was a colossal failure.
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You are basing this off of what facts?

Largest install base. VZW.

More new customers. VZW

More customers gained than customers lost. VZW


Unless you know how to cheat the system and jail break phones, you aren't going to get a phone you want on T Mobile prepaid.

Most people use far more than 100 minutes a month.
Nexus 4 is one of the hottest phones out there. People waited months to get their hands on it.... Actually you can slap a T-Mobile sim in just about any unlocked phone. That's the whole point of unlocked phones, take your phone with you to each carrier. Why be chained down to one? Locking you in is bad for the consumer and good for vzw.

Like I mentioned above, there are numerous ways around the 100 minutes. Frankly I could deal with 100 mins very easily without those methods.

50 bucks a month savings over VZW $80/month that was quoted before. And its unlimited data.

The landscape is changing. I'm not sure why you're defending Verizon with such vigor.

Not to mention the company that has the $14/month plan...
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Verizon 3Q profit rises, bolstered by wireless - Yahoo! Finance


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Revenue increased 4 percent to $29.01 billion from $27.91 billion. That also matched analysts' expectations.

Verizon Wireless added a net 1.5 million devices to contract-based plans in the third quarter, more than it has in many years. Analysts were expecting it to add about 900,000. Including non-contract devices, overall additions were the strongest in four years.




VZW after adding new plans. Increased Revenue, Profit and Customers.



Yup, that share everything plan was a colossal failure.
Read the comments of that very same article you posted.

People are fed up
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Alright, gonna jump in here. Getting too heated. I have cleaned things up. Gotta remember, attack the issues, not each other. Differences of opinions are to be respected. Please keep that in mind going forward.

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People are sure fed up with VZW. That is why they are making more money, increasing their install base and selling more phones than ever.
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That is true for everyone I know on Verizon. Of course, everyone I know (in my area, anyway) is in Verizon. As long as they dominate coverage area, they can get away with their pricing/plans, but when that changes, they'll have to make some serious changes to compete.
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People are to blind sided by TV commercials for mainstream carriers, tmo, metro, boost, VM, cricket, straight talk, simple mobile, even Google voice/VoIP are all companys you rarely see information about,..90% of the people in phone stores don't know what they are taking about either when it comes to comparing carriers, and most of those prepaid work off of other towers of those mainstream carriers
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Well T-Mobile prepaid only works on T-Mobile towers, and with a contract you get to roam off other towers. I looked into it.
Same with Verizon prepaid. And Verizon prepaid is really stupid because you can't take any phone to it.
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I can give you 4 other company's that'll save you $290...
And I'll show you how bad Sprint and AT&T is in my area over Verizon.



Besides, I only pay half of that $290 so that's fine. I paid $100 a month with Straight Talk for their horrible service here with my Android. I pay $45 more and that's fine. I can use my data how I want and can stream to my hearts content (within my data cap). Straight Talk irritated me too much...especially when they offer unlimited data and it's nowhere near that.
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Service is all up to area... but if you got no hobbys and like to play with Facebook and twitter than be my guest and pay $100+ a month just to do that...
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And I'll show you how bad Sprint and AT&T is in my area over Verizon.



Besides, I only pay half of that $290 so that's fine. I paid $100 a month with Straight Talk for their horrible service here with my Android. I pay $45 more and that's fine. I can use my data how I want and can stream to my hearts content (within my data cap). Straight Talk irritated me too much...especially when they offer unlimited data and it's nowhere near that.

It's in the straight talks customer agreement that they can disconnect your service if you stream video and or music.


Unlimited Data. Perfect for checking emails and websites but dont you dare use it for anything to heavy!
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I've been with Verizon for 20yrs, because of their customer service and coverage.

I have 4 lines...2 smart, 2 dumb. 1400 mins, Friends and Family, unlimited text, and 2x Unlimited Data plans... $205/month with a corporate 22% plan discount. If I switched to the Share Everything plan, I'd be paying an additional $25-30/month.

We got 2 GS3s for $.96 each from Sam's Club on the Black Friday deals. I was also able to keep the Unlimited Data plans by using the dumb phone upgrades, then swapping numbers. In 2yrs, I can do the same thing again.
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It's in the straight talks customer agreement that they can disconnect your service if you stream video and or music.


Unlimited Data. Perfect for checking emails and websites but dont you dare use it for anything to heavy!
I know it's in their terms. But it's really just a load of crap.

I'm really hoping someone finally sues Straight Talk for false advertisement.
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I know it's in their terms. But it's really just a load of crap.

I'm really hoping someone finally sues Straight Talk for false advertisement.


Not going to happen because their advertisements are 99 percent based on their terms and conditions. And when you sign up for an account with them, activate a phone, this that or the other, it's based off of you having reviewed their customer agreement.

It's also based on unlimited phone calling. However in their terms and conditions, you can have your account disconnected if you make too many phone calls in a row.



I love how people cry about VZW and champion the little guy.


Last time I checked, VZW isn't going to disconnect your service if you use your phone too much or if you use Youtube or Pandora while connected to their signal.
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I love how people cry about VZW and champion the little guy.


Last time I checked, VZW isn't going to disconnect your service if you use your phone too much or if you use Youtube or Pandora while connected to their signal.
I would be floored if it wasn't in their terms and conditions that they can terminate service for any reason.

Beside the point, it's not unlimited. It's already in the terms and conditions that if you go over your data limit they kill on you on overages.

You are actually paying per service, they don't care if you abuse it because it's just more money in vzw pockets
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Ooooo really. Thats why everyone I know who works for VZW is trained and instructed to notify the customer about what the overage rate is, to check their myvzw account to monitor data usage , connect to wifi when available.


Yup, VZW makes a ton of money ripping off their customers. Then you realize all of the hidden costs. The fact that VZW is paying some service rep about 15 bucks an hour to handle an escalated phone call for a customer who went over their data plan 1gb and was charged 15 bucks. Customer calls in to complain about their bill and VZW has to pay for the phone call, the service, the call center, the rep, their supervisor, their supervisor, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. Then you realize that 1gb of overage lead to VZW breaking even. Then you realize that VZW has all of their plans and overage provided on their Website VZW.com , brochures and pamphlets, etc. You act like VZW hides all of this info away from the customers.


But hey, VZW has their reps take a gun out and brings it to the customers head and forces to sign up for a contract and plan.
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I never said they hide any of the info... I simply stated they don't kick you off from using too much data because you have to pay for what you use.

You seem to have interpreted that about as extreme as possible.
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To be fair, the CFO of Verizon said before they launched the SE plans that the point of them was to either get people to pay a lot for a safety data limit and add many devices, or charge a boat load for overages.

Though the prices are steep in my mind, what really angered me was that I actually received a call from them trying to convince me to change to the plan claiming it would save me money. I had already done the math and calculated that it would cost me an extra 30 dollars a month. After repeating as much to the rep, they continued to state that it would save me money in the long run. LOL, What?
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Verizon can only rip you off if you allow yourself to be ripped off. You are ultimately in charge of what you spend or don't spend.
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Exactly.

First, companies are not a charity. They are in business to make money.

Second, if one doesn't read "the fine print" on the contract that they sign, that is their fault...not the companies.

It's like when people bitch about the banks charging them overdraft fees. Hello! Don't overdraft your account and no fees will be charged.
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Nope, they're not making anyone use their services.
Yep, they are ripoffs, especially the big boys. Some of their changes, for the worst, happens after you're a customer.

The wife & I was on separate plans when we first got with vzw, but after the SEP come out, we saving about $25 but I lost 2gb of data on the data plan. I wasn't on the unlimited when I started.
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I agree, companies aren't charity. Verizon is well aware that they have the best coverage, and charge according to it.

Warning: Rant





These are just my personal feelings and nothing more.
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There's more. I've gone on rants about it over and over. Then I'm left with the reason I'm still with Verizon...... Still get service EVERYWHERE. Contacts with AT&T and T-Mobile are similarly priced. Prepaid you can't roam.
Basically can't complain if there's nothing I'm going to do about it.
Edit: Verizon does what they do because they know they're not losing business to it. And even if they did something stupid enough to lose customers like BoA, Netflix, or godaddy.com, those companies are still rocking.

I was ready to jump ship for the Nexus 4, but then they come with 16GB, and I was just like, where am I going to put my music?
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There's more. I've gone on rants about it over and over. Then I'm left with the reason I'm still with Verizon...... Still get service EVERYWHERE. Contacts with AT&T and T-Mobile are similarly priced. Prepaid you can't roam.
Basically can't complain if there's nothing I'm going to do about it.
Edit: Verizon does what they do because they know they're not losing business to it. And even if they did something stupid enough to lose customers like BoA, Netflix, or godaddy.com, those companies are still rocking.

I was ready to jump ship for the Nexus 4, but then they come with 16GB, and I was just like, where am I going to put my music?
Google music... 20,000 songs...
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Google music... 20,000 songs...
Don't forget, the really good games now are well over a gb and there are some that are about 2gb. Not to mention the nexus is a developer device so many people put custom roms on it and nandroids are over a gb as well. That adds up quickly.
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