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Old August 1st, 2010, 05:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What are some power saving apps or tips you use with you Samsung Vibrant?

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my battery life isn't bad, i have noticed that if you run a live wallpaper, your battery will drain quite a bit faster than a normal wallpaper. but it's no big deal for me, my battery still lasts quite a while. just when you use an app, make sure you shut it down when you're done with it. some phones, if you just hit the home button, it'll keep the app running. i know alot of people praise these app killers, however i don't find a reason to have them. my battery life actually drops with them, cause they constantly run in the background. you can easily kill/force stop apps from the vibrant's menu in the application setting.
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Lookin at the battery stats is a good place to start, so after a long day, before you plug it back in to charge, be sure to take a look.

The Display is a good place to start:
1. Turn of auto brightness and set to its lowest or a low level. I find this is good enough when indoors, and use of any sensor will draw battery power(well anything draws power)
2. Set the timeout to 15sec, so the screen isnt on for too long when you set the phone down.

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1. Turn off gps. If you need it on, the phone will tell you.
2. Only use wifi when you need it, otherwise turn it off
3. If you can live with edge, set data to use edge only
3a. Another point I've read on this item is to set the phone to use 3g only, which can be done but you have to get into some hidden settings.
4. Try to keep out of dead zones. Besides having low to no signal, if the phone is too busy looking for a signal, it will drain the battery. If you know you are going someplace with no signal, switch into airplane mode to turn everything wireless off.
5. Any social app that syncs regularly, try to either turn that feature off or just set it to a longer interval. Less data use, less use of the radio, less power drain.
5a. You can also turn off background data, but only proper apps obey this setting, so be sure to check each app individually.

Umm kinda late so this is all I can think of. Oh, DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS!! This is bad thinking that comes from people from the Windows world. Do Not Use.
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Might also try a free program from the market called "Advanced Task Killer". Easy as all heck to use and turns off loads of programs that are running in the background by one click.

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I have not needed any of the "task killer aps" instead I simply installed the Android Power Control Widget on my home screen so that I can conveniently turn off services I don't need. With this widget I simply go to my home screen and tap the services I want to turn on.

I wasn't impressed with the battery life when I first got my phone, but I was running live wallpaper, and had all the services (e.g. bluetooth, GPS, etc.) running continuously. Now with static wallpaper and everything but Auto Sync turned off my battery went from 100% to 93% overnight which is perfectly acceptable in my mind. The Power Control Widget made the battery life much better for me.
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I see you are new, so take this to heart. Task Killers do more harm then good on Android. That way of thinking comes from the Windows world and as Android is Linux, we don't need silly things like that. If you do any research you'll find that they are simply not needed and having them constantly monitoring running apps will kill your battery life.
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I see you are new, so take this to heart. Task Killers do more harm then good on Android. That way of thinking comes from the Windows world and as Android is Linux, we don't need silly things like that. If you do any research you'll find that they are simply not needed and having them constantly monitoring running apps will kill your battery life.
Makes perfect sense. And like I previously stated, I have yet to need a task killer ap. Just use the Android Power Control Widget and be done with it.
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Just use the Android Power Control Widget and be done with it.
Where do you get this from? I don't see it on Appbrain.
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I see you are new, so take this to heart. Task Killers do more harm then good on Android. That way of thinking comes from the Windows world and as Android is Linux, we don't need silly things like that. If you do any research you'll find that they are simply not needed and having them constantly monitoring running apps will kill your battery life.
Can someone please explain how you can kill apps or tasks manually without using ATK?
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Can someone please explain how you can kill apps or tasks manually without using ATK?
Sure, Go to Settings > Applications > Manage Applications. Filter by 'Running Apps' and select any app, scroll down and select Force Stop.
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I have been using battery monitor to watch for rogue programs waking the phone from sleep. That being said, sometimes "dialer" is the biggest culprit. Is that when phone calls come in or when it is searching for a signal?
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Where do you get this from? I don't see it on Appbrain.
Sure! It is built into the phone. It's very easy:
To use the Power Control shortcut bar:

1. From the Home screen, touch and hold an empty area until the Add to Home screen menu displays.


2. Touch Android Widgets Power Control. The Power Control shortcut is added to the second panel of the Home screen.





3. Touch one of the icons on the Power Control shortcut bar to activate the application. A green bar displayed beneath the icon means the application was activated (turned on).




4. Touch one of the icons a second time to deactivate the application. The green bar is removed from beneath the icon which means the application was deactivated (turned off).

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Sure! It is built into the phone. It's very easy:
To use the Power Control shortcut bar:

1. From the Home screen, touch and hold an empty area until the Add to Home screen menu displays.


2. Touch Android Widgets Power Control. The Power Control shortcut is added to the second panel of the Home screen.





3. Touch one of the icons on the Power Control shortcut bar to activate the application. A green bar displayed beneath the icon means the application was activated (turned on).




4. Touch one of the icons a second time to deactivate the application. The green bar is removed from beneath the icon which means the application was deactivated (turned off).

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I have been using battery monitor to watch for rogue programs waking the phone from sleep. That being said, sometimes "dialer" is the biggest culprit. Is that when phone calls come in or when it is searching for a signal?
Why use some app that itself is taking up cpu time and battery life as it reads readily available information that the OS already provides? Android keeps track of battery usage information and gathers statistics. You can view this information by going to Settings > About Phone > Battery Use.
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Why use some app that itself is taking up cpu time and battery life as it reads readily available information that the OS already provides? Android keeps track of battery usage information and gathers statistics. You can view this information by going to Settings > About Phone > Battery Use.
From what I can tell it doesn't give partial wake data which is still important to me as I try out new apps and configurations, not to mention a battery percentage and time remaining estimate in the notification bar.
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From what I can tell it doesn't give partial wake data which is still important to me as I try out new apps and configurations, not to mention a battery percentage and time remaining estimate in the notification bar.
There is a code you can type into the dialer to access that information, or use Spare Parts. I find battery apps and widgets highly dubious as its been mentioned many times before that increasing the number of times the battery status is checked(like with the polling of any sensor) can increase battery drain.
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I see you are new, so take this to heart. Task Killers do more harm then good on Android. That way of thinking comes from the Windows world and as Android is Linux, we don't need silly things like that. If you do any research you'll find that they are simply not needed and having them constantly monitoring running apps will kill your battery life.

Very nice info in there.... however, I still don't understand how they do "more harm" when essentially they are doing the exact same thing you would be doing via the "manual" route.

With ATK... I don't keep it running in the background nor monitoring anything... it's installed on the phone and I use it at my discretion. When I check my phone... I usually pop into ATK and kill all running processes before I go back to w/e I was doing. (also... I keep ATK checked so that it is ended as well)

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I never said it was "constantly monitoring" my running apps. One of the "options" is to have it do that which... durrr... will use battery life. However, you don't "have" to use that option and can just pop into ATK and kill "all selected" with one click. (i.e. uncheck the processes you want to keep running and close everything else... including ATK)

Now.. I'm not saying I know everything there is to know about how android works and what does it "harm"... but since you seem to now more about it then I do... please inform me how this program is harming my system so that I can verify it and understand it for myself. Thanks.
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You are going to be constanly playing whack-a-mole and it will get old real quick. The point is that task killers are simply not needed as Android takes care of memory management all on its own. Android is Linux and as a Linux system administer I feel I know a bit of what I talk about.

My understanding is Android has been tweaked to bring apps into memory so when you 'launch' them, they seem to instantly pop into existence since it was already in memory. The app is not running in the background simply because the task killer sees it. To get real complicated Android is launching apps into a separate thread, and then this thread(or process) is put to sleep(ie its not using cpu) and thus only taking up space in ram. Android(and Linux) is very good at managing its memory resources. When you the user makes a request of the system that requires more ram then is available(such as launching a new app), Android will clear out whats not needed to make space.

So ok you are not 'harming' the system, but what it boils down to is you having a philosophical argument with Android over which way to manage system resources. And well a computer never gets tired. Hell even in windows, ram cleaners/etc are bogus crapware that do nothing but slow things down.
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You are going to be constanly playing whack-a-mole and it will get old real quick. The point is that task killers are simply not needed as Android takes care of memory management all on its own. Android is Linux and as a Linux system administer I feel I know a bit of what I talk about.

My understanding is Android has been tweaked to bring apps into memory so when you 'launch' them, they seem to instantly pop into existence since it was already in memory. The app is not running in the background simply because the task killer sees it. To get real complicated Android is launching apps into a separate thread, and then this thread(or process) is put to sleep(ie its not using cpu) and thus only taking up space in ram. Android(and Linux) is very good at managing its memory resources. When you the user makes a request of the system that requires more ram then is available(such as launching a new app), Android will clear out whats not needed to make space.

So ok you are not 'harming' the system, but what it boils down to is you having a philosophical argument with Android over which way to manage system resources. And well a computer never gets tired. Hell even in windows, ram cleaners/etc are bogus crapware that do nothing but slow things down.
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Does anyone know how to see the battery monitor?
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You are going to be constanly playing whack-a-mole and it will get old real quick. The point is that task killers are simply not needed as Android takes care of memory management all on its own. Android is Linux and as a Linux system administer I feel I know a bit of what I talk about.

My understanding is Android has been tweaked to bring apps into memory so when you 'launch' them, they seem to instantly pop into existence since it was already in memory. The app is not running in the background simply because the task killer sees it. To get real complicated Android is launching apps into a separate thread, and then this thread(or process) is put to sleep(ie its not using cpu) and thus only taking up space in ram. Android(and Linux) is very good at managing its memory resources. When you the user makes a request of the system that requires more ram then is available(such as launching a new app), Android will clear out whats not needed to make space.

So ok you are not 'harming' the system, but what it boils down to is you having a philosophical argument with Android over which way to manage system resources. And well a computer never gets tired. Hell even in windows, ram cleaners/etc are bogus crapware that do nothing but slow things down.
So if these programs are not really running in the background, why are alot of people seeing such large amounts of data being used when they are not even using their phones?
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So if these programs are not really running in the background, why are alot of people seeing such large amounts of data being used when they are not even using their phones?
Seeing data usage when the phone is idle is exactly the time when the phone would do any sort of sync operation, including any other apps that do background operations(facebook, twitter, etc). If an app has been built to have a background running service, then one would see data usage even when the phone was idle. These things are computers, they still do things when left alone, think of it as a butler getting your home ready for you while you are out. If you are truly concerned about these things, turn the phone off while not in use.
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You are going to be constanly playing whack-a-mole and it will get old real quick.[1] The point is that task killers are simply not needed as Android takes care of memory management all on its own.[2] Android is Linux and as a Linux system administer I feel I know a bit of what I talk about.[3]

My understanding is Android has been tweaked to bring apps into memory so when you 'launch' them, they seem to instantly pop into existence since it was already in memory.[4] The app is not running in the background simply because the task killer sees it. To get real complicated Android is launching apps into a separate thread, and then this thread(or process) is put to sleep(ie its not using cpu) and thus only taking up space in ram. Android(and Linux) is very good at managing its memory resources. When you the user makes a request of the system that requires more ram then is available(such as launching a new app), Android will clear out whats not needed to make space.[5]

So ok you are not 'harming' the system, but what it boils down to is you having a philosophical argument with Android over which way to manage system resources.[6] And well a computer never gets tired. Hell even in windows, ram cleaners/etc are bogus crapware that do nothing but slow things down.[7]
1: Playing "whack-a-mole" would be more along the lines of "manually" going into the applications setting and turning off programs that, as you say, linux launches into memory for no other purpose than having them handy when the user feels the need to use that particular program.

Using a task killer that has a one click option as ATK does makes more sense in this scenario because it closes "ALL" the unwanted "threads" in memory thus freeing up that memory and releasing the O.S. from having to keep some sort of data record of what's currently in memory and also from having to communicate with those running apps in w/e background communications it does. If, as you say, linux (android) doesn't need those processes running for current usage.... they are in the way and pulling resources from the O.S. in some form and thus pulling from the battery.

There is no "need" to have them loaded into memory and sitting idle waiting for the user.

2: Well... if linux (android) has this memory management.... please show me where it can be set to quit automatically launching apps into memory as you say. I would like to keep my phone from constantly launching apps into memory and haven't come across that option as of yet.

3: This comment is subjective. Personally, I believe you have a bias against windows (justified or not) and that bias is wreaking havoc on your ability to make logical decisions concerning task killers for android. However, this is my opinion and just as subjective. ;-) You've had to retract your "more harm" statement because it was inaccurate and thus far unproven. I still have faith in you though... waiting patiently.

4: If linux (android) is launching something into memory and having it sit idle... common sense would tell you that it "IS" pulling "MORE" resources then if those processes weren't loaded into memory. The O.S. has to first, launch the process (thread) then it has to maintain a record of what processes (threads) it has loaded into memory and whether or not the user is using said process (thread). If there are no threads in memory for the O.S. to keep up with... then there is nothing for the O.S. to be doing = Less pull on the battery. (keep in mind... even if linux (android) does a bang up job managing power consumption of those processes... it's still pulling more juice than if there were nothing to keep up with)

Even so, it's the same concept as having a program auto start with windows at runtime. You wouldn't have windows load every program you have on the pc into memory and have it sit idle while waiting on the end user to call on that process. You would only run the "needed" processes for the current action being taken on the pc.

5: If linux (android) is having to "clear out" what's not needed in memory to make room for things that are needed... then that's a very good sign that it's not as impressive of managing resources as you've stated. If it's that great at it... it wouldn't be in memory to begin with if it's not needed.

6: It's not so much a "philosophical" argument with linux (android)... but rather a "logical" choice to manage the resources in a different way. There is a "manual" way of accomplishing the task or their are 3rd party solutions to accomplish the same task in a faster way.

Logically speaking.... it would pull less resources from the battery to have a one click solution to do what might take a few mins the manual way. Also, the longer that screen is on... the more power it pulls. So having a program that can close all the unwanted threads out of memory in one click "logically" makes more sense then keeping the screen on longer and having the O.S. run through the commands one by one as the user pushes the "force close" button over and over again.

7: This is the one place I do agree with you though... ram cleaners (for windows) and crap like that I don't really buy into. I've never seen any benefit to "ram cleaners" and as you've stated...are "bogus crapware that do nothing but slow things down". ATK however, can bet setup in such a way that it is a one click solution to clearing out memory (including itself). When linux (android) has this feature embedded into the O.S., ATK will at that point become useless.

Until that time though, this feature is a great one to have for removing unwanted threads from holding a spot in memory that are there... just to be there.

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Well... as they require you to have a data connection on the phone to begin with... I would presume it's because (A) the phone itself is communicating every so often with the update servers, (B) as yatimameiji stated... sync is communicating with w/e services have been setup to sync & (C) depending on the types of programs that are installed to the phone... they communicate out to their respective servers looking for information/feeds/ads & w/e data they use to function properly as well as checking themselves to see if they are up to date or not. (hence the "full internet access" info on the install)

This is why I believe the programs launch themselves into memory and start communicating on their own. (and is why I use ATK to take them out of memory thus reducing overall battery usage)

I base this opinion on what I've seen with my own eyes though. I've had 3 "required data package" phones and have had to cancel all 3 data packages based on where I live and the fact that we don't really get a data connection out here. On all 3 occasions... after removing the data package I've noticed that fewer programs launch themselves as they don't see a connection to the internet. Now when I connect to my router via wifi... it's like the flood gates fly open and it's open season for everything to launch itself thus using more battery life and slowing the phone down a bit.

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@yatimameiji... I'm not trying to say one way or another that something is better than something else... I'm trying to understand what you seem to know about linux (android) that I don't seem to understand from your vantage point. What seems to work best for me on my phone may or may not work best for you on yours. However, you made the statement that ATK is not needed and that programs such as ATK are "silly" so now I'm wanting you to show me the evidence to prove that and not just present opinions based on bad personal experiences with another operating system that has a common function (task killers) between the two. Thanks.
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I keep asking you guys to READ and be informed ,.,....,., here's some reading
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this should you how useless task/app killers are .,.,.,..,. Stop confusing windows with android ,,,
Killing Hours,, the point is why have another program running playing watchdog , when you already have this same thing built in ???
What you guys should do is download the SDK and run ddms in the tools folder or just run logcat in your terminal app on your phone,,and watch android at work , . There you will see what we are trying to tell you ,,,...,., THERE is no need for task/app killers....
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Sorry Killing Hours, I couldn't be bothered to read your entire thread. I've said my piece and thats that. And dan0zone is right, why do something the OS and all the contributors to Linux and the engineers at Google have worked on to do automatically?
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Stop arguing over semantics people. There is one simple fact that remains, regardless of biases. Android is Linux based. This means that you do NOT need task killers NOR do you need to worry about what's running and what's not.

So let's stay on topic about saving battery life. Task Killers hurt your battery life and don't make your system any better. Period.
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Sorry Killing Hours, I couldn't be bothered to read your entire thread. I've said my piece and thats that. And dan0zone is right, why do something the OS and all the contributors to Linux and the engineers at Google have worked on to do automatically?
Don't blame you... it is difficult to explain your position with linking information so that others can be informed as to how the operating system works.

but since it's to much for you...

Per the link provided by dan0zone (thanks... that was what I was looking for the entire time), I stand corrected in my line of thought and how android manages itself.

1. the "thread" is loaded however put on the back burner pulling squat for resources and can be unloaded quickly due to the way android is coded.
2. task killers "DO" do more harm (if you will) by unloading the thread which android will only start again thus causing the system to continually load things over and over again instead of leaving them on the back burner and calling them as needed.

This post helped me to come to that conculsion.

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I haven't killed a single task in almost 7 days. Before that, I was opening AvancedTaskKiller almost every thirty minutes to kill a multitude of processes that I ignorantly believed were slowing down my phone and sucking up battery.
After a week of not killing a single task, I'm floored. Not only is my battery lasting at least 25% longer than before, but the phone almost NEVER glitches or lags. It is snappy, responsive, and stays alive for much longer than before.
This is because Android behaves differently than an OS like Windows, for example. Whereas Windows will open a wholly dormant program once you access it, thereby using system resources to open and operate and then freeing up resources totally once closed again, Android instead has all of the tasks "peeking" open, so to speak. They aren't necessarily in full operation, just standing by on low power for later use.
By constantly killing all of these tasks and applications with a task killer, all we're doing is forcing the system to open them back up again right away. We're thinking now, oh look! We have so much memory free! But all that memory is immediately sapped away again by the system restarting all of these tasks, which lags the phone up and slurps up battery faster than your mom.
Such a huge difference.
TL;DR: Don't use a Task Killer. You're only making your phone work harder to immediately reopen everything anway, which kills memory and battery. You're giving your phone alzheimer's every time you do it.
EDIT 1: Lots of people are saying that Task Killers tend to work for them due to varying types of phones, earlier iterations of Android, misbehaving apps etc. If you try out not using a task killer and it just kills your phone, then by all means, keep using it. I should've clarified before that I was not intending or attempting to make some end-all statement about Task Killers being from the devil. It was just my experience.
EDIT 2: aftli posted this great explanation on proper use of Task Killers. Give it a look!
EDIT 3: The AndroidDev Twitter just linked to this post! Thanks for the heads up, starnix17!
I stopped using a task killer last week to see if there is a difference. There is, and it's huge. : Android


More or less... in android 2.x... they started using a different method of handling threads than they used in previous versions of android. This would have been useful info to know from the bat since not all of us are linux guru's nor do we all have android backgrounds. (could have saved alot of back n' forth)



In reading through the comments on this post... I came across what "seems" to be the answer to one of my questions regarding an option to keep things from "auto starting" on the phone that don't really need to be running at all anyhow.



dan0zone... since you don't seem to mind helping someone who is new to the android o.s., I would like to ask your opinion on an app called "autostarts" and if you've had any dealings with it. Your insight would be appreciated. Thanks.


(unistalling ATK as we speak ;-) .... thanks dan0zone for the reference and taking the time to help a android n00b see the error of his ways)
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Glad to see someone else convinced of the task killer craziness, wither by me or anyone else, don't matter. Go forth and enjoy a properly running os. And I can't wait for Android 2.2 where they introduce their new JIT(Just In Time) compiler for the virtual machine(which runs the apps) which gives much better performance and thus the more efficient an engine, the more power you save.

Here is a link Going Deeper With Android 2.2’s JIT Compiler | Android Phone Fans
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Glad to see someone else convinced of the task killer craziness, wither by me or anyone else, don't matter. Go forth and enjoy a properly running os. And I can't wait for Android 2.2 where they introduce their new JIT(Just In Time) compiler for the virtual machine(which runs the apps) which gives much better performance and thus the more efficient an engine, the more power you save.

Here is a link Going Deeper With Android 2.2ís JIT Compiler | Android Phone Fans
Well it's quite different then anything we've known before. It's hard for people (especially those of us who have a background with windows only) to grasp the radically different concept of how android 2.x manages itself. But... it is what it is and I won't be one to be to proud to say I was wrong. Always love learning new things. Thanks for hanging in there on me guys. ;-)
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I know this is my first post, but I can't stand when people brag about things they obviously know nothing about.

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... as Android is Linux, we don't need silly things like that....
(Referring to task killers)

I don't know about you, but I've been using only Linux for over 12 years (on actual computers and servers, not phones). In fact, I don't use Windows at all on my personal systems. I kill processes on a fairly regular basis using kill and xkill. Some apps just don't obey.

I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) on my Vibrant because there are several apps that run without my knowledge and ATK will auto kill them.

For example: Visual Voicemail - I've never started this app or signed up for the service, but it's constantly running. Same with Amazon MP3, Slacker and a few others. Don't ask me why they're running, I don't even want them on my phone.

Many other apps don't quit, or have no option to quit.

ATK autokills these apps. Is it better to have 4 or more unknown programs running, or 1 automatic task killer?
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Then you should under stand the difference between a running process and one that is simply asleep(thus using no resources except memory). If we could run something like 'top' on Android, we would see these processes were simply all in a sleep state. These task killers do not make this distinction, they simply show whats been loaded into memory. Also if you use Linux, you know how well it handles its resources. Read the link posted by dan0zone above for more information.

As for apps that don't behave, then yes, by all means kill them. But again just because 'atk' shows it doesn't mean its running. In fact the phone comes with the ability to show background running services. Go to Settings > Applications > Running Services to see what is truly running in the background. You can stop them from there.
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That's a good example ... Visual Voicemail -
Did you know, that Visual Voicemail is tied into, your regular voicemail and that's why it runs, on start up,. I know on the behold2 if you delete that apk your dialer will force close every time you try to retrieve your voicemail... till you reinstall the V VM app... SO just because you don't want it don't mean that the system don't NEED it ..... some of these apps are deeply integrated into the OS so , killing their process in that manner will only cause some other process to malfunction ....
now don't get me wrong some apps are useless ... I agree , but you need to look at the app info to tell which ones are tied into the OS and which ones are not .. and instead of using ATK..;... JUST delete them .... simple ...
Edit:"Many other apps don't quit, or have no option to quit."
This is where android and Linux is a little different .... Yes there is no Quit option in some apps , but thats what the back button is for .,.,, in most apps hitting the back button will pause it then it goes into sleep mode ... then if that resource is need the system clears that sleeping app and loads the one that called for that resource .... I said most app because media apps can run even if you hit the back button , thats because they come with their own pause button and when pressed it does the same thing , puts that media app into sleep mode .....
NOW if you have an app that is not closing when you hit the back button and or does not have a pause option , then my friend ,, that app is no good ... All of Android API(s) has the base code for the system , so if a dev makes an app that don't follow the API rules then uninstall it , and let the dev know its broken .... using ATK to kill its process is pointless ,,
Its like having a flat tire and you use a compressor to pump it up , then it goes flat again , so you pump it up again .,..,., wouldn't just changing the tire fix the issue ....? Well thats what you guys are doing with these Task/App killers .....
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There are a great many apps that cannot be removed from vibrant. Vvoicemail, amazon mp3, slacker, the tv app (forgot its name) and others came bundled so they're staying until an update removes them or I root the phone and manually update it.
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An update would rarely remove an app. If you really feel you need them gone, then root the phone and use adb to remove them. Thought I would recommend using adb pull to make backup copies of the apps on your computer first. As it was mentioned before, some of the apps are vital to other functions of the phone(ie dialer fc when there is no visual voicemail app found). Also you could flash BH_MAN's Vibrant1 rom which looks to have some of the bloat removed.
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In summary, it sounds like I should just uninstall ATK or just never use it...... does it come with an uninstaller?
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In summary, it sounds like I should just uninstall ATK or just never use it...... does it come with an uninstaller?
There are a few ways to uninstall apps. There are uninstallers on the market, or you could even use the market to uninstall an app. Go to Downloads and select your app and select uninstall. Or if you go to Settings > Applications > Manage Applications, then select your app and select uninstall.
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There are a few ways to uninstall apps. There are uninstallers on the market, or you could even use the market to uninstall an app. Go to Downloads and select your app and select uninstall. Or if you go to Settings > Applications > Manage Applications, then select your app and select uninstall.
Is there any advantage to using one way to uninstall vs another?
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Not that I know of. If you use the market, it will ask why you are uninstalling. Other then that, the process is the same.
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There are a few ways to uninstall apps. There are uninstallers on the market, or you could even use the market to uninstall an app. Go to Downloads and select your app and select uninstall. Or if you go to Settings > Applications > Manage Applications, then select your app and select uninstall.
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This was an informative thread to read. I am new to Android and smartphones in general and I still have ATK installed but am not allowing it to run in the background. I will definitely let others know about this because I have seen ATK running on other's phones and am perplexed as to why they would want that running all the time.
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To be honest, I have just skimmed through the replies here, so I may have missed something. I understand what is being said about ATK, coming as a Window user, thought it was a need. Uninstalling ATK after I type this. It was never on auto-run just when I felt the need to check as well as others have stated.

My other reason for reply is that in another forum they talk about a part of the GPS fix that may help, which is running startup auditor. It will stop Telenav from running and then any other time it tries to execute, in the last 2 hours, I have only used 3% of battery compared to the 10% yesterday. Not sure why difference, I am led to believe by that bit I may have helped. Help me understand if I am wrong please, because it just doesn't make logical sense, aside from the ATK.
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Q 1.' Do you use telenav?
Q2.' Did you know there is a "one click RooT and UN-RooT app for the vibrant?
Q3.' Do you know enough about RooTing to use that app to root , delete telenav , then , UN-RooT ( if you not comfortable with having your device rooted all the time ) ?
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Q 1.' Do you use telenav?
Q2.' Did you know there is a "one click RooT and UN-RooT app for the vibrant?
Q3.' Do you know enough about RooTing to use that app to root , delete telenav , then , UN-RooT ( if you not comfortable with having your device rooted all the time ) ?
Would you be so kind as to direct us to said app?
Is it available in the market? Is there a website to download it from?
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It's here on this forum , but here's the link to xda ....
One click root/unroot for galaxys no computer needed - xda-developers
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i went 10 hours today and got to about 40%
only thing i really changed was keep brightness at the lowest setting (for about 6 hours) then went outside and turned it to maximum and forgot to change it back
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Oh, DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS!! This is bad thinking that comes from people from the Windows world. Do Not Use.
I'm glad I came across this thread as I've been using ATK for months now. You're all totally right though, I come from the "Windows world" and just assumed that in order for my phone to run correctly, I would need to do this. I'm uninstalling ATK now and we'll see how much better battery life gets...
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Q 1.' Do you use telenav?
Q2.' Did you know there is a "one click RooT and UN-RooT app for the vibrant?
Q3.' Do you know enough about RooTing to use that app to root , delete telenav , then , UN-RooT ( if you not comfortable with having your device rooted all the time ) ?
Q1, No, I accidentally opened it on the Behold 2 I had, not realizing I would get charged $10 in the next bill! Oh well, rather Google Map navigate or use now, Google Navigation heh. I hated using the Google Map way because the screen would always have to be touched or pressing the menu key.

Q2, I did, but didn't know too much about it. Kind of just waiting for 2.2 before I really worry about it.

Q3, I knew could root and un-root, didn't know that I could un-root and still have telenav off. I prefer this method as I really would not want to be rooted unless of course, I had a explosive good time.
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All of a sudden, the sync icon has seemed to be running all of the time. I have turned it off a couple of different ways, but it keeps reappearing. Could this be why I'm getting such short battery life? I've been running thru 3 batteries at full charge per day.

I like the phone, but am frustrated by the battery life, and seriously have considered going back to my Blackberry because of this, along with a couple of other reasons.
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