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Old August 28th, 2012, 10:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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just notice on the VM page an odd tid bit.


"Mobile Hotspot Enabled

Share your connection with up to five other people or devices."


http://www.virginmobileusa.com/shop/cell-phones/htc-evo-phone/features/

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doesn't have an extra charge for that feature, can still be on a $35 a month plan,
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so tethering is officially ok on VM at no extra charge.
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I am wondering if VM USA is starting to feel T-Mobile, Boost and Cricket moving in on their prepaid territory.

I remember when I first got my Optimus V everyone said there was no way VM would get a higher end device and then the Triumph was released (yes it was a huge steaming pile of turd) and now we have the Evo (and 4g) and the One V.

I'm hoping this is a sign of things to come and we will see more positive changes.
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Is 5 devices the usual limit for any cell phone or just that one?
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This is only for the Evo. They still won't allow tethering on any of their 3g phones.
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The change may come from the Verizon fine by the FCC. Something with the 4G that Verizon uses is required to be tetherable for anyone. I'm betting VM is doing this to avoid fines of their own.
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This is only for the Evo. They still won't allow tethering on any of their 3g phones.
the door is cracked open now, its just a matter of the proper pressure to open it the rest of the way.

it was double dead bolted and locked before with no chance, but its more then a good chance now to force the rest.
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doesn't have an extra charge for that feature, can still be on a $35 a month plan,
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so tethering is officially ok on VM at no extra charge.
When I go to my account page, it says it costs $15/month.
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of course they will sell you tethering still but the features of that phone, says it included, no extra charge.

if there was, there would be a * near that feature item with a note on the bottom of the page that says, with additional cost.
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just notice on the VM page an odd tid bit.


"Mobile Hotspot Enabled

Share your connection with up to five other people or devices."


Virgin Mobile | HTC EVO V 4G No Contract Android-Powered Phone

Incorrect assumption. The phone itself does act as a wifi hotspot (which is exactly what is being stated in the advertisement for the phone), and you do not need to purchase a hotspot device, but you do have to pay $15.00 a month extra on top of your monthly plan fee in order to get the extra service.

I just called, three times just to make sure the CSR was giving me the correct information. I spoke to three different CSRs. 1-888-322-1122
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of course they will sell you tethering still but the features of that phone, says it included, no extra charge.

if there was, there would be a * near that feature item with a note on the bottom of the page that says, with additional cost.

The feature is built in to the phone. The monthly service to use the feature... you have to pay for it.
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of course they will sell you tethering still but the features of that phone, says it included, no extra charge.

if there was, there would be a * near that feature item with a note on the bottom of the page that says, with additional cost.

How about you go click apps then the WiFi hotspot and report back what happens.don't worry I know you don't have a evo or you would of never started this thread
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I tether my LG OV all day every day, 3-5 devices at one time.

just be nice to see a loop hole for the rest to join in the fun.
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So, you're bragging about stealing the service without paying for it? Nice.
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Its my data, how I chose to use it, is my own choice.

just like rooting and modding, an high cort owuld hold up that data is data, how you use said data makes no difference on their end.

its mine, Ill use it how I see fit.
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I tether my LG OV all day every day, 3-5 devices at one time.

just be nice to see a loop hole for the rest to join in the fun.

There is if they root or use a USB tether but with a stock phone you have to pay for the built in one.
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Its my data, how I chose to use it, is my own choice.

just like rooting and modding, an high cort owuld hold up that data is data, how you use said data makes no difference on their end.

its mine, Ill use it how I see fit.
Strongly disagree. Rooting and modding is a terms of service/end user license agreement issue. None of which is the topic here.

If you take something without paying for it and knowingly take it by means of an exploit, it's called stealing.

Can you get the paid service for free without using an exploit? No.
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I use no exploite, I simple turn it on.

everoyne knows the OV's were sold by VM with tethering intact, was a feature. not till after or let say towards the end of the V did they decide to try and mod newer phones so it won't work.

like the Elite that will brick when its turned on.

would be like them saying I gotta pay to take a picture, my phone shipped with said feature, I own it, I can turn it on if I chose.
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While you are entitled to hold an uninformed opinion, you are not entitled to make stuff up and call it a valid argument.
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I use no exploite, I simple turn it on.

everoyne knows the OV's were sold by VM with tethering intact, was a feature. not till after or let say towards the end of the V did they decide to try and mod newer phones so it won't work.

like the Elite that will brick when its turned on.

would be like them saying I gotta pay to take a picture, my phone shipped with said feature, I own it, I can turn it on if I chose.
My TV was sold with a cable connection, but that doesn't entitle me to run a cable line to it and expect to get free service just because my TV shipped with that feature. I don't think that argument would hold water with the cable company...I'm with Petrah on this discussion.
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I'd be careful IMO. Tuller makes an excellent point, just because the phone has that capability, it doesn't mean it would be included as part of any plan you take out.
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Specifically the bottom.

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My TV was sold with a cable connection, but that doesn't entitle me to run a cable line to it and expect to get free service just because my TV shipped with that feature. I don't think that argument would hold water with the cable company...I'm with Petrah on this discussion.
that don't equate right

it would be up to the cable company, if they left a live line hook up in your house, you can hook it to your TV all you want, its up to them to have the connections at the pole right.

had a friend in an apartment go through that, wasn't his fault the cable company used only 1 single line into the building and then connected it to 10 apartments. [if one person paid for HBO, they all got it, but not all got a bill]
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then the Triumph was released (yes it was a huge steaming pile of turd
Hey- I resemble that remark! I use my steaming pile of...uh..I mean MT every day and it works just fine for me! I t was certainly about a 100% step up from the OV..."oh look, the memory is completely full agian...yay!
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I use no exploite, I simple turn it on.

everoyne knows the OV's were sold by VM with tethering intact, was a feature. not till after or let say towards the end of the V did they decide to try and mod newer phones so it won't work.

like the Elite that will brick when its turned on.

would be like them saying I gotta pay to take a picture, my phone shipped with said feature, I own it, I can turn it on if I chose.
If I remember right, to use wifi tether on the V requires you to make a shortcut to a hidden menu. If they wanted you to use the function, I doubt they would have hidden it. Just sayin'...
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that don't equate right

it would be up to the cable company, if they left a live line hook up in your house, you can hook it to your TV all you want, its up to them to have the connections at the pole right.

had a friend in an apartment go through that, wasn't his fault the cable company used only 1 single line into the building and then connected it to 10 apartments. [if one person paid for HBO, they all got it, but not all got a bill]
I dunno- it's kind of like cancelling your cable service only to find it's still on and continuing to use it for months, then complaining when you get a bill. Or opting out of a new credit card fee by agreeing not to use the card anymore, then using it anyway & complaining when you get charged the new fee.

Maybe not the best analogies above, but tethering is against the VM user agreement unless you are doing it through an approved device and paying for it, period. If you do it, just be ready to accept the consequences if they decide to crack down...
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has to be a built in function of the phone to equate, back to the camera, if you download a camera app that unlocks function that the camera can do but VM didn't.

Can they now back charge you for a better camera?

no

IF VM or any of them really cared, they would make tethering use its own radio so its a hard wire disabled, like they did befor smart phones and hard wired them to disable modding with the USB cable. Or hard wired so you can't use free ringtones, screen savers, apps or game, but only paid downloads from them. [my loft was like that, it was locked up like a bank, no way in]
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You and I have hashed this discussion before. Regardless of what you say here, it never will change the fact that knowingly taking a paid service from a company via an exploit (definition: a hole in the software that was not intended to be there) without paying for it is theft.

Sure, you can do this all day long till the sun comes up (or until you get caught). You can even mention that you have access to the hotspot feature if you like or tell others about an app that allows them to get it.

What angers me to no end and causes me to respond every time is when people brag about stealing it while the rest of us hard working peeps pay for it with our hard earned cash. That's what annoys me.
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IM not stealing anything, I get unlimited data, how I use said data makes no difference on either end, and effects no one.

you assume tethering means its gonig to slow the whole newtwork down, BS

I used 5-6GB of data before I could tether, and still use the same ammout of data after. VM protects its users with the speed caps.

except in my area, the speed never changes.
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It's getting a little hot in here!

Tethering is a contentious subject and whilst this thread hasn't got personal yet, it seems to be moving in that direction, so I'd like to ask you guys to agree to disagree about this please.
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You and I have hashed this discussion before. Regardless of what you say here, it never will change the fact that knowingly taking a paid service from a company via an exploit (definition: a hole in the software that was not intended to be there) without paying for it is theft.

Sure, you can do this all day long till the sun comes up (or until you get caught). You can even mention that you have access to the hotspot feature if you like or tell others about an app that allows them to get it.

What angers me to no end and causes me to respond every time is when people brag about stealing it while the rest of us hard working peeps pay for it with our hard earned cash. That's what annoys me.
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Tethering is a contentious subject and whilst this thread hasn't got personal yet, it seems to be moving in that direction, so I'd like to ask you guys to agree to disagree about this please.
Yep, I was just trying to point out that VM is now offering it as a feature again, like the did with the OV.

which has to mean their feeling have changed on it and the rules are now relaxing again, hopfuly for the better of all.
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the way i see it is if they let me pay for it i will.if they dont offer it but my phone has it i use pdanet.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 05:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Yep, I was just trying to point out that VM is now offering it as a feature again, like the did with the OV..
They never offered it with the Optimus V, in fact their first update to the V tried to lock it down from use. IIRC in the original Optimus Stock software the option was there in the menu but greyed out from use. You had to use 3rd party software to enable it.

Initially with the first update you had to root to use the hotspot.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 09:59 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Yep, I was just trying to point out that VM is now offering it as a feature again, like the did with the OV.

which has to mean their feeling have changed on it and the rules are now relaxing again, hopfuly for the better of all.
You can justify and rationalize your behavior as much as you want, the FACT is, it violates the TOS you AGREE to. Period.
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I can only see the same points going in circles.

When that happens, my experience is that tempers fray and then people say things that they later regret.

If anyone has a problem with the lock, drop me a line, my door is always open.

Meanwhile, please respect your contractual agreements, whatever they may be.

Cheers, thanks.
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