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Old February 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I am with you on all of this.


- STILL- now potentially 3 days away from the first 3.0 device ever - there is no official release date announcement from VZW or Motorola. Truly amazing.
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really can't argue with anything else you said... however the xoom is on the verizon wireless page saying its available on thursday. i consider that an offical announcement, on the their website and not a leaked picture or anything.

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well if you use Google Chrome you can download Ad-Block and it blocks all Flash ads, while leaving Flash content in place.

Well I hoped when I went to sleep that I would wake up and find that at least 10.1 would work. I guess not. I know others will differ with me on this, but I will not be getting the Xoom on Thursday. I don't trust Moto for ****...when I read that users here have downloaded 10.2 from the market and it is working, then I'll go buy it. In the meantime, I can see what other options come out and maybe the Xoom wifi only version will be announced....or maybe even the 3G Xoom price will be lowered. I WOULD call it the 4G Xoom, but I'm done giving Moto the benefit of the doubt. They have been shady in the whole ordeal and I don't trust them.

I really know who to blame in all this imo and that is those lazy bums at Adobe. This is SO typical of them...I cannot believe us Android users are back to waiting for Flash compatibility...I thought that was over with! I just cannot believe Moto and Google have been touting a feature they were not sure they could deliver at launch. oh well
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You are ASUMING that Flash will be launched in a few weeks. Good luck with that.

I'm not assuming anything, if flash takes two or three (or more) months I'm not going to burn down Motorola or Verizon over it. That's still two or three months faster than my iPad will ever see flash.
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really can't argue with anything else you said... however the xoom is on the verizon wireless page saying its available on thursday. i consider that an offical announcement, on the their website and not a leaked picture or anything.
Well, I see it now and it is now official I guess, thanks. I am not sure updating a web page constitutes an actual announcement, maybe so, but definitely not a good one anyway. Thanks for the tip on the site though. You'd think they's be touting this thing more ..
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Heres my gripe as best i can put it into words. I didnt mind the price tag as long i was getting what i paid for. I dont beleive in the pay for it now ill give it to you later bull shit. Its an android os that has been blown up into this major deal and now were losing features for lets be real here who knows how long. So your telling me moto didnt know honeycomb would require 10.2. They only spill this crap 3 days before launch!? It stinks of bullshit and you know what i dont need this device i can wait. The way this has been handled is horrible. We wont get flash at launch, usb, or sd support then why push this thing out the damn door!? All it does is piss people off and leave bad taste in peoples mouths. So this is moto way of "offering a quality product" give me a break... With all these tablets coming ill get the xoom on the cheap this price wont last. Especially with this kinda shit going on to add more bad pub for this device.
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I'm not assuming anything, if flash takes two or three (or more) months I'm not going to burn down Motorola or Verizon over it. That's still two or three months faster than my iPad will ever see flash.
If you don't use it much , that's cool. Nothing much to be concerned about, that's true.

However, the fact that Flash will be coming in "Spring" is of little comfort to those of us (like me) who planned on using Flash out of the gate for several things on the XOOM. Flash is one of the distinguishing factors of the XOOM from the iPad. It has been advertised, and has been touted. And now it will be absent on launch. It is a fail.
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And now it will be absent on launch. It is a fail.
Absent at launch, yet somehow demonstrated in at least a handful of videos. I'll believe the XOOM isn't capable of Flash initially, when I take mine out of the box Thursday morning.
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If you don't use it much , that's cool. Nothing much to be concerned about, that's true.

However, that is of little comfort to those of us (like me) who planned on using Flash out of the gate for several things on the XOOM. Flash is one of the distinguishing factors of the XOOM from the iPad. It has been advertised, and has been touted. And now it will be absent on launch. It is a fail.

Look I planned on using flash out of the gate too, that's why I'm ditching the iPad for it. It sucks sure, but I'm not going to cancel my preorder over it. If I need flash in the mean time, I always have my laptop or even my Incredible.

The way I look at it is Best Buy gives me 45 days to return the thing. If it turns out to be a massive fail of epic proportions, I can take it back and keep my iPad until something better comes out.
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Absent at launch, yet somehow demonstrated in at least a handful of videos. I'll believe the XOOM isn't capable of Flash initially, when I take mine out of the box Thursday morning.
Yeah, I saw your links, thanks. I hope this is all about nothing as well. I am really hoping what those videos showed was what we'll get. Then again, if THAT is true, then you have the FAIL of Moto not saying this now to stop these rumors .. Still a bad job either way ..
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Yeah, I saw your links, thanks. I hope this is all about nothing as well. I am really hoping what those videos showed was what we'll get. Then again, if THAT is true, then you have the FAIL of Moto not saying this now to stop these rumors .. Still a bad job either way ..

Both Moto and VZW confirmed today no Flash at launch. Not sure what else to question here. Only known is Adobe stated Flash for Honeycomb would be released "early 2011", so May could even be the date in that case.
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Does anyone else remember when the Nexus One was "Coming Spring 2010"? I don't think spring ever sprung for that device on Verizon's Network. Hopefully for Moto and the Xoom Spring actually comes this year.
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Looks like xda is on the case to get a work around for 10.1 support on xoom tegra 2 processor. Article below:
Motorola XOOM Owners, Here is a Tegra 2 Flash 10.1 File to Try
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If it does not have flash... Would you rather them release it with some half ass flash implementation or a solid version after a few weeks? That being said I could not imagine how they could release it without flash.
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If it does not have flash... Would you rather them release it with some half ass flash implementation or a solid version after a few weeks? That being said I could not imagine how they could release it without flash.
It seems pretty clear that they will be releasing it without Flash unfortunately. And "Spring" is not necessarily a few weeks, Springs last until around June 20th or so. So it could be 3 months waiting on Adobe here. I am hoping for a few weeks, who knows though ..

Edit: looks like a few weeks.
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I can live without flash for a while as I did on my ipad.

But come on Moto this must be the worse pre-launch I have ever seen. There has been negative press and confusion at every corner on what looks to be a great os and device.

You called Apple out in the Super Bowl and this is the best you can do.



Makes me have second thoughts about buying a Xoom.
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Adobe: Motorola Xoom will get Flash 10.2 over the air 'within a few weeks' | Android Central
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Ahh you beat me to it...Droid Life posted the same story

Adobe: Flash 10.2 Headed to Motorola XOOM in a “Few Weeks” - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog
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Wow moto thank adobe they just saved you a sale lol. Ill buy one at launch since it only be flash less for few weeks.
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Wow moto thank adobe they just saved you a sale lol. Ill buy one at launch since it only be flash less for few weeks.
Thank Adobe? Ha, that's a laugh....I'd be willing to bet money that Adobe has been promising Motorola and Google for months that they'd have a working Flash player on the Xoom in time for launch. I only fault Moto and Google for believing Adobe and not warning us earlier that this might happen. Personally, had I known that 10.1 would not be Honeycomb compatible and that we would be depending on Adobe to get 10.2 working on the Xoom in time for launch, I would have assumed it would not happen, just based on Adobe's track record.

I have never agreed with much Steve jobs has ever said, but when he called Adobe LAZY, he was straight up telling the truth.

Steve Jobs: Adobe Is Lazy, Blu-Ray Is Mess and Google Wants to Kill iPhone - X-bit labs

Mark my words: this will not be the last time Adobe lets the Android community down.
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Thank Adobe? Ha, that's a laugh....I'd be willing to bet money that Adobe has been promising Motorola and Google for months that they'd have a working Flash player on the Xoom in time for launch. I only fault Moto and Google for believing Adobe and not warning us earlier that this might happen. Personally, had I known that 10.1 would not be Honeycomb compatible and that we would be depending on Adobe to get 10.2 working on the Xoom in time for launch, I would have assumed it would not happen, just based on Adobe's track record.

I have never agreed with much Steve jobs has ever said, but when he called Adobe LAZY, he was straight up telling the truth.

Steve Jobs: Adobe Is Lazy, Blu-Ray Is Mess and Google Wants to Kill iPhone - X-bit labs

Mark my words: this will not be the last time Adobe lets the Android community down.
Adobe's problem is hardware and software fragmentation and not as much being lazy. With more powerful laptops and desktops, Flash can be more generic and chipsets do all the overlap work though gpu and cpu force. With passive cooled devices, you do not have the brute force of power, so have to be very specific on what you use to get smooth playback. The gpu code needs to be very specific and also needs focus on the actual OS and what hardware access is being allowed (with Android, there is 2.2, 2.3, etc).

Net result is it takes time to balance new OS versions and hardware and then all of the legacy requirements.

Not simple and requires cooperation from HTC, Motorola, TI, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Google, etc.

Money and time are the main components.
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Thank Adobe? Ha, that's a laugh....I'd be willing to bet money that Adobe has been promising Motorola and Google for months that they'd have a working Flash player on the Xoom in time for launch. I only fault Moto and Google for believing Adobe and not warning us earlier that this might happen. Personally, had I known that 10.1 would not be Honeycomb compatible and that we would be depending on Adobe to get 10.2 working on the Xoom in time for launch, I would have assumed it would not happen, just based on Adobe's track record.

I have never agreed with much Steve jobs has ever said, but when he called Adobe LAZY, he was straight up telling the truth.

Steve Jobs: Adobe Is Lazy, Blu-Ray Is Mess and Google Wants to Kill iPhone - X-bit labs

Mark my words: this will not be the last time Adobe lets the Android community down.
Amen brother. Funny thing is I was thinking EXACTLY all of this last night, I mean right down to Steve Jobs. I couldn't agree more.

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Adobe's problem is hardware and software fragmentation and not as much being lazy. With more powerful laptops and desktops, Flash can be more generic and chipsets do all the overlap work though gpu and cpu force. With passive cooled devices, you do not have the brute force of power, so have to be very specific on what you use to get smooth playback. The gpu code needs to be very specific and also needs focus on the actual OS and what hardware access is being allowed (with Android, there is 2.2, 2.3, etc).

Net result is it takes time to balance new OS versions and hardware and then all of the legacy requirements.

Not simple and requires cooperation from HTC, Mototola, TI, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Google, etc.

Money and time are the main components.
Come on now... December 7th Andy Rubin was showing a prototype of the XOOM at All things D. We know it's been almost 2-1/2 months MINIMUM that Adobe has had to tweak their software with this hardware and chipset. I know the OS has been tweaked since then, but Adobe has a long track record of being way too slow to update. And here we are again ...
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Amen brother. Funny thing is I was thinking EXACTLY all of this last night, I mean right down to Steve Jobs. I couldn't agree more.



Come on now... December 7th Andy Rubin was showing a prototype of the XOOM at All things D. We know it's been almost 2-1/2 months MINIMUM that Adobe has had to tweak their software with this hardware and chipset. I know the OS has been tweaked since then, but Adobe has a long track record of being way too slow to update. And here we are again ...

Agreed, but the point is the time to execute takes longer with more specific OS versions- Honeycomb is brand new and in beta a few months ago (still really is).

A good litmus will be if the current Flash version works that does on the Gtablet. If it works, YES, they are dragging their feet. If it does not, this suggests Flash and Honeycomb must be on par for rev levels to work correctly.

Fragmentation is the real killa' here, IMO.
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Heres my take on it....
Hardware was done last year.. Honeycomb availablity delayed the launch.
Xoom is launching only 2 weeks after Honeycomb Final was provided to them by Google.
Xoom 4G modem hardware finalized a month ago but all Xooms have 3G cards anticipating a 2010 release so rather delay the launch.. ship and sell all devices with 3G.. let some more 4G cities lite up.. offer a free upgrade in a couple months then offer 4G standard in all newly built devices.
Adobe 10.1 player doesnt work on pre release honeycomb xoom software versions.. ( I have one) Yes, while it is in the market.. it doesnt install at least on mine.
Adobe controls the availablity of their Flash Player.. not google, not motorola. I think they were trying to make the aggressive launch but since Honeycomb final is only 2 weeks old, there is some internal testing that has to happen before its certified.. most likely why the Playbook isnt out yet either.. flash player is not final yet...

This is my opinion based on the info available to me..

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Heres my take on it....
Hardware was done last year.. Honeycomb availablity delayed the launch.
Xoom is launching only 2 weeks after Honeycomb Final was provided to them by Google.
Xoom 4G modem hardware finalized a month ago but all Xooms have 3G cards anticipating a 2010 release so rather delay the launch.. ship and sell all devices with 3G.. let some more 4G cities lite up.. offer a free upgrade in a couple months then offer 4G standard in all newly built devices.
Adobe 10.1 player doesnt work on pre release honeycomb xoom software versions.. ( I have one) Yes, while it is in the market.. it doesnt install at least on mine.
Adobe controls the availablity of their Flash Player.. not google, not motorola. I think they were trying to make the aggressive launch but since Honeycomb final is only 2 weeks old, there is some internal testing that has to happen before its certified.. most likely why the Playbook isnt out yet either.. flash player is not final yet...

This is my opinion based on the info available to me..

Mad

Fits. Also, Honeycomb is the reason the microsd does not work. Another example of fragmentation, since Moto will have to patch and map the slot. This same premise is why the Android roms that float around for different tablets will be a clusterflock for modders, since some hardware funtions will work and some not, depending on the device and rom mix.
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Heres my take on it....
Hardware was done last year.. Honeycomb availablity delayed the launch.
Xoom is launching only 2 weeks after Honeycomb Final was provided to them by Google.
Xoom 4G modem hardware finalized a month ago but all Xooms have 3G cards anticipating a 2010 release so rather delay the launch.. ship and sell all devices with 3G.. let some more 4G cities lite up.. offer a free upgrade in a couple months then offer 4G standard in all newly built devices.
Adobe 10.1 player doesnt work on pre release honeycomb xoom software versions.. ( I have one) Yes, while it is in the market.. it doesnt install at least on mine.
Adobe controls the availablity of their Flash Player.. not google, not motorola. I think they were trying to make the aggressive launch but since Honeycomb final is only 2 weeks old, there is some internal testing that has to happen before its certified.. most likely why the Playbook isnt out yet either.. flash player is not final yet...

This is my opinion based on the info available to me..

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Thanks for the info. How do you like your XOOM? !!
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Interesting post from the Moto support forum:

" Xoom storage space
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan"


Looks like there is only 1 partition on the internal microSD, and the LTE upgrade may just be adding a SIM?


https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
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Interesting post from the Moto support forum:

" Xoom storage space
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan"


Looks like there is only 1 partition on the internal microSD, and the LTE upgrade may just be adding a SIM?


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Edit: Never mind, just realized app allocation must have been for apps actually on that XOOM, not total space available for apps :-)
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Im confused so are they confirming sd card slot is going work out the box?
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Im confused so are they confirming sd card slot is going work out the box?
No - "The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb."

There is an internal sd card as well - that's where the 32GB of on-board storage is.
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Looks like some Xooms will come with Flash 10.2, some will have it delayed.

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Yesterday, there was a bit of a fuss when it was discovered that the Motorola Xoom tablet wouldn’t come with Adobe Flash Player 10.2 pre-installed this Thursday. Adobe has a response.
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Sure, it’s annoying that such a useful and almost necessary feature won’t be available immediately. But if Adobe keeps its promise about a wait time of only a few weeks, then I think we can all be patient.
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Thank Adobe? Ha, that's a laugh....I'd be willing to bet money that Adobe has been promising Motorola and Google for months that they'd have a working Flash player on the Xoom in time for launch. I only fault Moto and Google for believing Adobe and not warning us earlier that this might happen. Personally, had I known that 10.1 would not be Honeycomb compatible and that we would be depending on Adobe to get 10.2 working on the Xoom in time for launch, I would have assumed it would not happen, just based on Adobe's track record.

I have never agreed with much Steve jobs has ever said, but when he called Adobe LAZY, he was straight up telling the truth.

Steve Jobs: Adobe Is Lazy, Blu-Ray Is Mess and Google Wants to Kill iPhone - X-bit labs

Mark my words: this will not be the last time Adobe lets the Android community down.
Exactly. I don't think these guys understand how Adobe works. You take what Adobe says with a grain of salt. Mark my words, Flash WILL NOT be ready in a couple of weeks. Probably a couple of months. Hopefully I am wrong and Adobe stays on schedule. Don't be shocked when another announcement comes out in a couple of weeks saying that they are still trying to maximize the experience and it will take a little longer.
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Lol that adobe release makes no sense. So there are "golden ticket" xooms coming this thursday? Ones that will have adobe 10.2 but if you dont get one those lucky xooms your waiting?
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Lol that adobe release makes no sense. So there are "golden ticket" xooms coming this thursday? Ones that will have adobe 10.2 but if you dont get one those lucky xooms your waiting?
It doesn't mean that at all. Flash 10.2 will not be pre-installed on any Xooms, but will likely be pre-installed on other tablets that come out after the Xoom, once Flash 10.2 is available.

That quote was very poorly worded.
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There are ideas floating around that the reason that Flash will not be on launch Xoom's is because it will make the Xoom slower and consume much more battery and Moto does NOT want reviewers giving the Xoom a bad review because of this. BTW - How come we have NOT heard anything on battery life. Me thinks it won't be that great and with Flash running, it would be alot worse. Food for thought.
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Looks like there is only 1 partition on the internal microSD, and the LTE upgrade may just be adding a SIM?


https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0

Seems like not much app storage space then? What is the actual free app device storage? Example for Gtablet:

Out of box 16gb internal:

1. 1.86gb device app storage
2. 13.02 space for media & data (mapped as microsd 1)

First off, how is the internal space mapped? This is VERY important, considering no microsd until Moto patches Honeycomb.
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There are ideas floating around that the reason that Flash will not be on launch Xoom's is because it will make the Xoom slower and consume much more battery and Moto does NOT want reviewers giving the Xoom a bad review because of this. BTW - How come we have NOT heard anything on battery life. Me thinks it won't be that great and with Flash running, it would be alot worse. Food for thought.

Gtablet works well with Flash and I have no sense of need to be near a power socket, like I am with my Incredible. If you set Flash to "on demand" it is not a problem, anyway. Even on the Incredible. Tegra 2 is MUCH better with power management than Snapdragon.
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Seems like not much app storage space then? What is the actual free app device storage? Example for Gtablet:

Out of box 16gb internal:

1. 1.86gb device app storage
2. 13.02 space for media & data (mapped as microsd 1)

First off, how is the internal space mapped? This is VERY important, considering no microsd until Moto patches Honeycomb.
From that same thread in the MotoDev forum:

"There is no limit to the space allocated for apps. As long as there is space available, you can put apps in it. (However, it takes space to install apps, too, so if you are down to a few MB, you can't put an app of equal size in that space, if you catch my meaning.)"

I think Honeycomb maps the space differently than the Gtab. All space is available to install apps, media, etc.
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My two cents - I really want one of these tablets. Just what I've been looking for. And truthfully I'm fine with waiting a few weeks for flash. And I suppose it's ok to stagger the wifi only release date.

What's not fine is motorola's effort at a big rollout. They should have rolled the devices out together or announced the separate dates themselves. They should have mentioned the flash thing IMMEDIATELY so it's not slowly leaked and blogged and sprung on an unsuspecting group of potential buyers as a ha ha! How can these billion dollar corporations not know rule #1 of PR? Control the message people.

It looks like a great product. Honeycomb looks wonderful. I don't mind waiting a few weeks for wifi, card support, or flash. I do mind that it didn't come from the source openly and confidently. They spent a zillion dollars on product development and commercials and then they let the three stooges stage the rollout of the actual product. The whole thing has been extremely ham-handed.

And the wi-fi only release date? Why the gag order? It's ridiculous. What possible advantage can be gained by not telling the consumer when it will come out? If it's just to sell a few more 3g units and phone contracts I must say that's extremely short-sighted thinking - penny-wise and pound foolish when we're talking about a product that's supposed to be a game changer.
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Dang!
Seems this stuff will hurt consumer perception, regardless of when fixed- after release.
Agreed. This is what kills me - Apple can release a device that's half as functional.... but the rollout is perfect. Moto creates a killer device, rushes it, and completely botches the rollout. When will they learn....
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There are ideas floating around that the reason that Flash will not be on launch Xoom's is because it will make the Xoom slower and consume much more battery and Moto does NOT want reviewers giving the Xoom a bad review because of this. BTW - How come we have NOT heard anything on battery life. Me thinks it won't be that great and with Flash running, it would be alot worse. Food for thought.
Yeah I don't buy that theory at all. Flash has never caused my Nexus One any issues at all. It only runs the battery if you're using it. But, Google Maps/GPS runs the battery if you use it, so that's just the way it goes. Using features costs battery life and Flash in my experience is no worse than any other streaming medium.

IMO, Flash will make the Xoom a better product, not worse. That's why I'm upset it is not included at launch.
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Exactly. I don't think these guys understand how Adobe works. You take what Adobe says with a grain of salt. Mark my words, Flash WILL NOT be ready in a couple of weeks. Probably a couple of months. Hopefully I am wrong and Adobe stays on schedule. Don't be shocked when another announcement comes out in a couple of weeks saying that they are still trying to maximize the experience and it will take a little longer.
This is what scares me.

Personally? My gut tells me we'll have Flash in about a month. The wildcard imo is Motorola and getting the OTA pushed out. I have never owned a Moto product and I don't know how reliable they are in this regard. It seems weird that it wouldn't simply be a market download the way the original 10.1 was for the Nexus and other devices.

If I fully trusted Moto the way I do Google, I would go ahead and buy at launch. When Google promised that the Nexus would get Flash(although weeks turned into months), I KNEW we'd get it eventually. However, having never owned a Moto product(Xoom is to be my first), there is no comfort zone for me to sit in and be confident in them. In fact, from my experience with them so far, they seem either incompetent, or shady.

I very much hope to buy a Xoom and be happy with it and have a different opinion of Moto...maybe even become a fanboy But like someone else already said: what would Moto say if we wanted the xoom for free right now and when they provide Flash, SD card capability and 4G, THEN I'll pay you for it.

That's basically what they're asking of us: pay for it now in full and trust us to fulfill our promises(but be aware that if we don't ever give you these features, you bought the Xoom "as is", so tough luck)

AND even after all of this, I STILL might break down and buy the damn thing Thursday....it's hard to let go of that excitement I had/have.
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guys if you're scared moto wont deliver in a time frame that suits you.. dont purchase..

you have let all this pre hype peer pressure you into (clearly to me) settling for less. dont do it!!! dont purchase it on thursday. based on your comments of late, you will be disappointed.
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guys if you're scared moto wont deliver in a time frame that suits you.. dont purchase..

you have let all this pre hype peer pressure you into (clearly to me) settling for less. dont do it!!! dont purchase it on thursday. you will be disappointed.
Thanks but we don't need you or anyone else telling us what to do or not do, especially when your advice is steeped in the obvious

I'll personally do what I choose to do thank you very much and If I choose to buy it given what I already know, I will hardly be disappointed.
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Yeah I don't buy that theory at all. Flash has never caused my Nexus One any issues at all. It only runs the battery if you're using it. But, Google Maps/GPS runs the battery if you use it, so that's just the way it goes. Using features costs battery life and Flash in my experience is no worse than any other streaming medium.

IMO, Flash will make the Xoom a better product, not worse. That's why I'm upset it is not included at launch.
I have a N1 as well and my experience has been mixed. Videos are usually fine. Some non mobile optimized websites are terrible and yahoo's fantasy baseball stattracker comes to mind as not working well at all. Hard to know what to pin on the developer and what to pin on the phone's implementation of flash. That said, I'm glad I have it. And with a dual core, bigger screen and a gb of RAM on the xoom I'd expect it to improve quite a bit and approach desktop-level performance. I'd be disappointed if it didn't.
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I have a N1 as well and my experience has been mixed. Videos are usually fine. Some non mobile optimized websites are terrible and yahoo's fantasy baseball stattracker comes to mind as not working well at all. Hard to know what to pin on the developer and what to pin on the phone's implementation of flash. That said, I'm glad I have it. And with a dual core, bigger screen and a gb of RAM on the xoom I'd expect it to improve quite a bit and approach desktop-level performance. I'd be disappointed if it didn't.
Oh yeah I'd be disappointed too. I'm a Flash whore I use it all the time. Actually cannot live without it. I agree with you as well regarding performance. I am fully expecting better performance than on a device such as the Nexus One. I can't imagine it won't be better, especially since it will be 10.2.
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And the wi-fi only release date? Why the gag order? It's ridiculous. What possible advantage can be gained by not telling the consumer when it will come out? If it's just to sell a few more 3g units and phone contracts I must say that's extremely short-sighted thinking - penny-wise and pound foolish when we're talking about a product that's supposed to be a game changer.
The reason for the WiFi gag order is because Moto has more than likely signed (or corporate handshake) a 1 Month Exclusivity agreement in as so much that they will not release the WiFi unit for 30 days. What this does is it prevents all the early customers from returning the $800 unit as their 14 day (30 day at BB) window will be closed and they are stuck with the more expensive unit. I spoke with a Costco Mobile Rep today and he told me that in his system it shows a WiFi unit being released on Mar 25 (take it for what it's worth but I tend to believe this is what's happening). Now the 30 day window does not pertain to Costco as they have a 90 day return policy. Verizon wants that 30 day window so they can try and lock customers into their seriously overpriced data plan(s). If a customer has the unit for 30 days and constantly uses the data plan, Verizon's thinking is that they will want to keep said data plan and in the end Verizon wins. With the WiFi only unit's, Verizon gets no cut from Data Plans
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I spoke with a Costco Mobile Rep today and he told me that in his system it shows a WiFi unit being released on Mar 25 (take it for what it's worth but I tend to believe this is what's happening).
Not sure that date makes sense then because the 30 days would not be up yet. Remember - February has 28 days and the Xoom is released on the 24th. That would be 29 days.
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May bad. He told me that in the system it said 30 days until a WiFi only unit would be sold. (I forgot about Feb having only 28 days, horrible math on my part). So basically at the end on March we will see the WiFi only unit. This has been rumored a bunch as well.
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Got to play with it for a bit today at the store... Flash 10.1 shows in the market, but no go on the install.

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