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Old March 3rd, 2011, 04:36 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Hi people

While I've visited these (and many other) forums quite often, I have only recently been joining forums to answer questions. The first time I regged on a forum to answer questions about my software, I was banned. Even though I wasn't linking to my own software and even providing help and suggestions for competitor products, the ban was never lifted.

About a year ago, I found some questions on a droid-forum website, and while there were plenty of people offering suggestions, I figured it would be better for me to register and answer the questions. On those forums, I now have around 800 posts (and counting) and earlier this year, I've joined a few others.

The reception by people on the forums I participate on is great. For the people who have questions, there is an easy way of getting answers from the actual developer, and for me, I get to hear all the good and bad.

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LOVE LOVE LOVE DVDCatalyst!! Best program. What preset did you use for the movies you transferred over?
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The latest version has 2 Xoom profiles. I picked a Xoom up myself a few days ago, and am working on getting more profiles as well as additional stuff up on the website.

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I purchsed this dvdcat software in an attempt to convert a digital copy which I have on itunes so I can watch it on my xoom.
Hi Mueron2000, I am sorry, but it doesn't work with DRM-protected video files. iTunes rental/purchased videos, as well as Amazon movies and such are protected in a way that prevents them from being converted.

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Thanks for the reply dvdcat guy. Yeah I figured that out. I'm currently converting a dvd as I type this. Will let you know how it goes.
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Thanks for the reply dvdcat guy. Yeah I figured that out. I'm currently converting a dvd as I type this. Will let you know how it goes.
You are welcome,

Just let me know if you have any questions.
I do recommend having a look on my website for some added info. I'm adding new content to it about the xoom whenever I find something out.
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Try using handbrake. It works for both macs and pcs and its free!

i tried handbreak tonight, no luck, very choppy video but at least i have audio now... what settings were you using? i tried h.254 at 1750 bit rate.
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Try the iPhone profile.
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Try the iPhone profile.
the iphone 4 profile? and did you just change the .m4v extension to mp4 then? thanks for the help. the lack of robust video support is getting annoying.
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In handbrake, yea. IPhone profile uses 960xyyy Res. Works well. And yes, just rename it.
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Here is a howto video from DebianDog on using Handbrake for the DroidX, which should give you some ideas on how to get up and running.

[HowTo Video] Mac Only - Ripping a DVD for your Droid X
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Try using handbrake. It works for both macs and pcs and its free!

I have all of my DVDs converted over with Handbrake and will be trying it on my Xoom as soon as it ships. I will update with more information after I test it.
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Question, can the XOOM stream any h.264 720p high profile/ 1080p low profile video from a SAMBA/Windows share like the iPad 1? Or do you have to play locally off the device.
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Question, can the XOOM stream any h.264 720p high profile/ 1080p low profile video from a SAMBA/Windows share like the iPad 1? Or do you have to play locally off the device.
yes, as long as the quicktime faststart atom is enabled in the video files.

edit: samba/windows share, I'm not sure (sorry, I missed that part somehow), but if you set up a webserver such as Apache, and enable folder browsing on a video folder, it will work by accessing the folder link through the browser.

I have a few sample videos setup to stream that way for a collection of Android devices (nookcolor, droid/droidx) and am currently working on uploading sample videos for the xoom.
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Okay, I'm on the fence about this XOOM... so far I gather that it is NOT capable of playing real 720p (that's 1280x720 pixels with high bitrate). Is that a fair assessment?

I have about 4TB of DRM-free movies on a NAS server, about 90% of them are 720p that normally stream to three WDTV Live's. Is this tablet not capable of pulling its weight on my network? On the fly transcoding/downsizing (i.e. serviio, Tversity) is not an option because I don't want to settle for inferior video. I'd just get the iPad-2 if that was the case.

This XOOM has the display (WXGA) to support 720p in native resolution, unlike iPad-2 (XGA), so why can't it play them? Is the dual-core tegra 2 just not up to snuff?
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We're guessing the codecs that have shipped on the Xoom aren't taking full advantage of hardware decoding. Hard to tell. I've not had any luck at those resolutions yet. The Tegra2 is DEFINITELY capable of 1080p so something is screwy here. Seems to be a software issue that I hope they resolve soon.
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I fully understand the frustration. I do a LOT with video myself. One of the big use cases I have for the Xoom is portable video playback. For me that includes both digital copy movies and video I record and edit. 720p is the sweet spot for me, as well. That will work both on my HTPC's and the Xoom, ideally. I'm hoping VLC gets released sometime soon, but, the last update I found on that suggests we're "several months away". That was sometime around the beginning of February. In any case, maybe we'll get a system update from Moto to address some of this "soon". We can always hope, right?
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Okay, I'm on the fence about this XOOM... so far I gather that it is NOT capable of playing real 720p (that's 1280x720 pixels with high bitrate). Is that a fair assessment?
Nope, the XOOM can play 720p and 1080p at reasonable high bitrates just fine.

I created a 1080 testfile at 5000Kbps, and it plays on the XOOM just fine. I also created a collection of trailers at 720p resolution at 2000Kbps and they also play fine.

Samples are available on my website.
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Nope, the XOOM can play 720p and 1080p at reasonable high bitrates just fine.

I created a 1080 testfile at 5000Kbps, and it plays on the XOOM just fine. I also created a collection of trailers at 720p resolution at 2000Kbps and they also play fine.

Samples are available on my website.
Seriously? Most of us have had nothing but problems playing things at such a high bitrate and resolution. Guess I need to do more testing. Are you using the standard player or a third party app?
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In handbrake, yea. IPhone profile uses 960xyyy Res. Works well. And yes, just rename it.
i will be trying again tonight, are you using that 960 res and then letting the xoom upscale it or upping it to 1280 in handbrake then converting it?
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Seriously? Most of us have had nothing but problems playing things at such a high bitrate and resolution. Guess I need to do more testing. Are you using the standard player or a third party app?
Seriously.

I've seen the posts on XDA and other forums about the problems people were having, which triggered me into purchasing the Xoom myself (not happy about the price, but ah well). When I came home, I downloaded a 1080 trailer of Ice Age 4, and converted it at its original resolution using 5000Kbps, and copied it to the Xoom.
No problems whatsoever.

Yesterday I did some fiddling with getting movies full-screen on the Xoom, because the menu bar at the bottom is permanent, so if your videos have the full 800 height of the resolution, it is downscaled a bit, leaving you with borders on the sides. I used the same 1080 trailer as well as a few other ones to create sample files that are closer to full-screen. 1280x754 to be exact. I encoded them at 2000Kbps, and play fine.

In fear of a ban, I can not link to my website, but its pretty easy to find. Just look in the Android section or the Latest News section.

the 720p trailers will stream if you visit them on your Xoom. (edit, use Wifi. 2160Kbps (2000+160) is a bit much for 3G)

I always use the build-in video player, Gallery.
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i will be trying again tonight, are you using that 960 res and then letting the xoom upscale it or upping it to 1280 in handbrake then converting it?
I'm just keeping the iPhone profile the way it is with the exception of changing it to MP4. Those work fine for me.
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I'm not sure I understand. They play fine only when using a specific profile? What's this about purchasing a license? That's to make the videos play properly?
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No no. I bought a license for DVD Catalyst. It's a conversion software. Has nothing at all to do with the playback discussion.

DVDCatalyst used his software to convert some files. Those are 1080p and they stream perfectly from his website. So the Xoom is definitely capable of playback of such high res, high bitrate files. Clearly our conversion technique so far hasn't been...good. I'm handbraking a new one right now to se if I can figure it out.
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Yea, now that we have more information about what the Xoom can do, let's get back to your original problem statement. Clearly it SHOULD be able to play 720p videos just fine. How did you create those? They should play.
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For me, the 1080 file was simply a test. If you look on other Xoom forums (XDA for example) a lot of people were having doubts about the Xoom actually being capable of playing 1080. So, regardless of if it is overkill or not, I created a 1080 file that does play without issues on the Xoom.

So the problem isn't that the Xoom can't handle 1080, the problem is that it is a bit picky regarding the format, and on what is used to actually play the file with.
I have an awesomely stupid question. Have you copied those to the internal storage of the Xoom and played them from internal memory? I have a reason for asking.
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the cars2 trailer encoded at 1280x754 from yesterday as well as the 1080 one from monday I ran from the internal memory. I didn't do that with the ones I posted today.

I'll do that right away.
Scrat 1280x754@5000Kbps on memory, no problems
Green Hornet Take My Hand, no problems
Battle LA trl3 no problems
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Ok, here's some info that maybe you can make sense of. I think I've found the "issue".

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Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2h 32mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 439 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.195
Stream size : 1.53 GiB (92%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2008-09-09 02:16:09
Tagged date : UTC 2008-09-09 02:17:45
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
That one plays.

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ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=27
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 43mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 016 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.182
Stream size : 1.22 GiB (88%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2010-11-24 13:24:19
Tagged date : UTC 2010-11-24 13:24:52
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
That one doesn't. See the profile? Is that what's causing this foolish issue??!?!?!
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Scrat 1280x754@5000Kbps on memory, no problems
Green Hornet Take My Hand, no problems
Battle LA trl3 no problems
What's the format profile of those?
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AAC is the newer audio format. Only some high end receivers currently support it natively. It may very well have something to do with it. DVDCat, does your profile use AC3?
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AAC is the newer format. Only some high end receivers currently support it natively. It may very well have something to do with it. DVDCat, does your profile use AC3?
No, the Xoom handles AAC just fine. It's even in the specs. I'm wondering if the format profile is what the issue is. If so, UGH.
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What's the format profile of those?
General
Complete name : C:\Users\Mitch\Videos\New folder\iceage4-tlr1_h1080p.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 38.1 MiB
Duration : 2mn 40s
Overall bit rate : 1 997 Kbps
Movie name : iceage4 tlr1 h1080p
Writing application : Lavf52.33.0
Cover : Yes

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L1.3
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=2
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2mn 39s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 831 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 754 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 1.698
Original display aspect ratio : 1.695
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.079
Stream size : 34.9 MiB (92%)

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 2mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 159 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 3.05 MiB (8%)
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Yea, that somewhat leads into my theory. It can't handle higher profiles. Or at least, it seems that way.
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Oh sure. That's what I get for not doing my homework first. sigh. I'm a freaking GENIUS I tell ya. LOL! So....that's kind of an issue then, yea?
High Profile supposedly produces better quality on higher resolutions. It appears that the Xoom still uses codecs optimized for low-resolution phones, eventhough its a tablet OS.

Most MKV creation tools default to High Profile, so most of the existing MKV content uses high-profile video.
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Did VLC ever say they're going to support streaming? I know it doesn't on my company iPhone4 so I'm not very hopeful.
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Wasn't aware of that one. Will check it out asap!
ES File Exlorer has a LAN, FTP and BT option that transfers files flawlessly over a network. And you have a great file explorer app as well ! Have been using it with Xoom, Droid X and laptop.

Movies: they play beautifully on the stock player with conversions from Handbrake and burns with Clone DVD.
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ES File Exlorer has a LAN, FTP and BT option that transfers files flawlessly over a network. And you have a great file explorer app as well ! Have been using it with Xoom, Droid X and laptop.

Movies: they play beautifully on the stock player with conversions from Handbrake and burns with Clone DVD.
Thanks. Dvdcatalyst has an mp4 serve available that streams the files in a browser. Works great and doesn't require copying to the xoom.

I'm still working on the best profile to use in handbrake. More testing today.
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I just converted a couple x264 MKV 720P's with DVD Catalyst using the XOOM settings and the pic quality is just "so-so"... I bumped the default Video Quality of 1000 to 1500, but I think it needs to be higher. I might try 2000, but also want to keep my file size from getting out of control. I wonder if changing the Video Mode to 2 Pass improve anything?

The images seemed "grainy" at points, especially during motion. One of the moves was "animation" and it wasn't as noticeable, but the live action wasn't quite as good.

The resulting MP4's sizes (at 1500Kbps)

Running Time 1:20:23 - File Size 934MB
Running Time 1:40:16 - File Size 1.13GB (Animated)


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I just converted a couple x264 MKV 720P's with DVD Catalyst using the XOOM settings and the pic quality is just "so-so"... I bumped the default Video Quality of 1000 to 1500, but I think it needs to be higher. I might try 2000, but also want to keep my file size from getting out of control. I wonder if changing the Video Mode to 2 Pass improve anything?

The images seemed "grainy" at points, especially during motion. One of the moves was "animation" and it wasn't as noticeable, but the live action wasn't quite as good.

The resulting MP4's sizes (at 1500Kbps)

Running Time 1:20:23 - File Size 934MB
Running Time 1:40:16 - File Size 1.13GB (Animated)



1500 is what I use for my Droid X for high-quality, which uses a resolution of 854x480. For 720p, you want to go at least to 2000.

The settings in the HD article on my website produce great results.

If you want to shave off some size of the files, I would suggest to lower the resolution a bit instead. The video player would upscale the video to fit on screen (I've been watching some of my Droid X videos on it, and they look great). Its better to have a great looking lower-resolution video file that is upscaled on the Xoom than to use a higher-resolution file encoded at a lower quality setting. On the site I also have an article about the quality difference between different profiles (halfway down the Android section) and while written for the Droid X, it should give you an idea on how to keep your filesizes down. The article contains streaming samples.
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Browser based MP4 Server?!?!?!? Is this done with flash or html5?!?!?
MP4 Streaming Server is a free app of mine that runs a simple webserver with links to your video files. The program resembles the look of Apple iTunes (I know, but originally I created it for my iPod Touch) and you can create playlists, or just organize your shows in movies and tv show folders.
Once you add your files (and make them streamable) tap 1 button to start the webserver, and on your Xoom (or other Android/iDevice or web-enabled MP4-capable device) visit the site on your webbrowser. The program generates a simple HTML page with links to the video files you added.

Unlike other webservers, it does not share folders. It links directly to the video file, so if you have a folder with 10 video files, and only 5 are added in the server, you can only access those 5. It also doesn't care where the files are located, as long as it is mapped to a driveletter. No folder sharing, just direct links to the video files.
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The 720P Puss n Boots trailer looks and runs fabulously!
Will handbrake produce the same results?
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Will handbrake produce the same results?
Not that I've been able to reproduce. The issue is the format profile. If it uses a high profile, which they tend to do with higher res video, the Xoom then chokes on it. If you can figure out how to force it to use a lower profile, then it should be possible to dupliate the results in handbrake. I tested all kinds of things and wasn't able to make it work. I may keep trying, but, so far, no luck.
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How do I edit the conversion format?
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How do I edit the conversion format?
enable "Power User" at the bottom right.

By default, dvdcat runs in a basic mode to make it less scary for new users. By enabling the "Power User" setting, all will be revealed.
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It would be great if there were apps like Air Video or ZumoCast for Android.
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For some reason I can not find the final file.
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Check your documents dir. I think that's where it defaults to outputting them.
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I set the default to where I wanted it. It said Crop Detection 1 - 5 then said complete, opened up the directory and nothing was there. Trying it again. Did I have to hit save maybe?
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No, it means it crashed on your file. I would PM DVD Catalyst about that. He might be able to help you. @dvdcatalyst, it's what happened to me in the beginning.
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Yep! Says conversions completed, opens up file manager at the output folder and nothing is there.
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Yea, been there, seen that. The program it spawns to do the conversion crashed. I ran into that myself.
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Does 64 bit have anything do to do with it.
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No. I use 64 bit. That's not the issue.
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