I'm new, but I've been reading through these forums for the past few days. Has anyone who received their zt180s verified the fake chips? I found this post fro ma different forum::
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Originally Posted by xaueious
I'm crossposting my findings on Slatedroid and here so that people are not scammed.
It has been confirmed in China that the Zenithink ZT180 / Wiipad does NOT have ARMv7 A8 Cortex CPUs. Also Flatpad, Orphan M16.
In addition to many hardware quality control issues, the CPU has been confirmed to be an ARM 11 variant, with the Android OS running with the highly unstable JIT Dalvik engine (stable only in Android 2.2).
This is a large retailer of Shanzhai products announcing on the Zenithink forums, declaring a full refund for all Zenithink ZT180 products. Hardware issues include allegations of CPU specification faking, system instability, wifi module failures, software incompatibilities.
This is an 11 page thread on imp3.net of China buyers of the Flatpad/ZT180/Wiipad asking for full refunds on this scam.
I'll translate this one tidbit for everyone:
Zenithink be a Shanzhai laptop company with a focus on the Anyka AK88 chipset. From2009, then started selling Windows CE microtablets for 3xx Yuan, and reaped good profits. Since they wanted to enter the higher-end MID (mobile internet device) product sector, but did not have chipset manufacturing capabilities, they resorted to Remark chips, purchasing Shanghai Tsinghuaic IX2X0 series CPUs, and proceeded to stamp their own logos on the CPUs to be shipped. However, these chips, did not contain A8 Cortex, but ARM11 with a coreclock of 800MHz and supporting 1080p hardware decoding. Right now the chipset only supports MP4 1080p hardware decoding, and does not actually support any other formats! Since ARM Cortex A8 processors process data at an efficiency of double of ARM11, this is clearly an act of trickery and deception in advertising.
The Tsinghuaic IX2X0 chipset is a legitimate chipset being developed by Tsinghuaic. They are selling at 650-700 Yuan from factory batches per 1000 units. Zenithink remarked the CPUs and started selling the same spec'ed devices for 850-900 Yuan with their false A8 Cortex advertising. In doing so, they are making large sums of money by deceiving end customers.
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The chipset is okay, but anything from Zenithink or labeled Zenithink is a dud. Orphan is a simple rebranding company and doesn't really make anything. Tsinghuaic isn't even really done testing their chipset, so whatever is on the market right now contains a chipset that is still in beta development, combined with hardware from a hoax of a company.
My advice is to avoid Zenithink and demand refunds.
It seems the people who have obtained one, are completely oblivious to these things.
Last edited by TechNinja; August 1st, 2010 at 05:56 PM.
Phew this is a wait and see problem. Keep an eye on the FlatComputing site, the CEO was made aware of this just today (SUNDAY US time) and, being based in the US, would have to be very careful with what they say.
Phew this is a wait and see problem. Keep an eye on the FlatComputing site, the CEO was made aware of this just today (SUNDAY US time) and, being based in the US, would have to be very careful with what they say.
How long did it take to get the unit shipped to you? What shipping method did you choose?
I'm in Canada and I have no idea how long the wait time is.
I bought a refurb iPod Touch from the Apple Store it came from Hong Kong. Took less than a week.
Thanks
R
I ordered on Monday using paypal and I live in Singapore and got it on hand 4 days later, was shipped via EMS
How depressing. The software always indicated ARM11, and it was pointed out a long time ago. This could have been for a number of reasons, such as the android build being compiled wrongly, but to have it confirmed by Zenithink is heart breaking.
I will never buy another product from Zenithink and I hope other people with respect for themselves also boycott this company.
Even for a 1GHz ARM11, it is a good buy and would have made Zenithink a lot of money. Now they just look like scammers.
I hope the retailers all ask for their money back, or at least compensation.
After I get something else (Huawei S7 maybe), I will be giving mine to my brother as an ebook reader, as it works well for that.
I've read the flatcomputing team say that you get what you paid for in another thread, but while they might be right regarding the cost of the unit, we paid for a Cortex-A8 Android MID (Same specs as the iPad) and therefore we are cheated. They should be more compassionate to the customers that they unintentional scammed.
How depressing. The software always indicated ARM11, and it was pointed out a long time ago. This could have been for a number of reasons, such as the android build being compiled wrongly, but to have it confirmed by Zenithink is heart breaking.
I will never buy another product from Zenithink and I hope other people with respect for themselves also boycott this company.
Even for a 1GHz ARM11, it is a good buy and would have made Zenithink a lot of money. Now they just look like scammers.
I hope the retailers all ask for their money back, or at least compensation.
After I get something else (Huawei S7 maybe), I will be giving mine to my brother as an ebook reader, as it works well for that.
I've read the flatcomputing team say that you get what you paid for in another thread, but while they might be right regarding the cost of the unit, we paid for a Cortex-A8 Android MID (Same specs as the iPad) and therefore we are cheated. They should be more compassionate to the customers that they unintentional scammed.
I don't know whats going to happen, it seems as if all suppliers are accepting refunds?
Kinda sucks for me I have one on the way and its going to cost a bit to send it back..... I dont know what I am going to do, probably just keep what I have coming, I guess its not that bad.
Oh my! I'd probably have to get one for my birthday on September.. Hopefully all the bugs have been fixed by then
Oh my! I'd probably have to get one for my birthday on September.. Hopefully all the bugs have been fixed by then
I wouldnt trust anything from Zenithink after that.... many are simply recommending to steer clear. There will be tons of quality alternatives by Q4 anyway. I'd suggest saving your money for something better, with a capacitive screen, HDMI out and supports FroYo (Android 2.2 - means flash capable).
If you can't wait, like me, I intend to get a 7-inch either Samsung's GalaxyTab or Velocity Micro's Cruz ($300) that is until the more desirable 10" come out, then i will actually use the 7" as a portable while the 10" would remain at home. Or just resell the 7".
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I wouldnt trust anything from Zenithink after that.... many are simply recommending to steer clear. There will be tons of quality alternatives by Q4 anyway. I'd suggest saving your money for something better, with a capacitive screen, HDMI out and supports FroYo (Android 2.2 - means flash capable).
If you can't wait, like me, I intend to get a 7-inch either Samsung's GalaxyTab or Velocity Micro's Cruz ($300) that is until the more desirable 10" come out, then i will actually use the 7" as a portable while the 10" would remain at home. Or just resell the 7".
So in a nutshell, what is being revealed about the ZT-180 apads?
The CPU is not what was advertised, (not Cortex A8 but is ARM11). So what does this affect for the device and the customer?
1. The device is not flash capable. (Does this mean you cannot upgrade from Android 2.1 to something else?)
2. The ARM11 chip runs at 800MHz compared to A8's 1GHz (so it's slower) and the ARM11 chip only supports decoding of 1080p video for mp4 format - no others (doesn't play hi-def video in a whole heap of formats).
Would that be a basic summary of what's going on here?
Apart from that the ZT-180 devices are still pretty decent value for money except for the fact that ZeniThink has lied to everyone and promoted the product as something better than it really is?
Yes, it is ARM11, which is about half the speed per megahertz, maybe 55% of the speed. The clock is about 950MHz.
The CPU does not do the decode. The GPU and DSP do that. And it is rated for 1080P. It may not be a perfect 1080P, but the software is not complete for this.
Device can do flash, but not the new flash driver in Android2.2 that Google and flash have been announcing.
1. Half the speed that it was advertised to be
2. Plays 1080p video badly because the software can't really handle it
3. Can't upgrade beyond Android 2.2
?
Also: How does the ARM11 CPU then compare to the RockChip models speed wise?
Last edited by Catfish; August 2nd, 2010 at 02:06 AM.
1. Half the speed that it was advertised to be
2. Plays 1080p video badly because the software can't really handle it
3. Can't upgrade beyond Android 2.2
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Also: How does the ARM11 CPU then compare to the RockChip models speed wise?
3. not true. Just no offical flash support in 2.2
2. Most devices do this on day one, but this implementation is very poor, I have to admit.
Rockchip uses ARM9, which is even before ARM11. And this is clocked much higher than the rockchip. The rockchip is only able to do 720P with the DSP, so that is weaker. Rockchip has a much more mature android build.
Hi Icurafu
I have read the entire thread with interest.
I have recieved my zenithink in the last few days, and i must say that compared to my irobot, this is lightening fast.
i do not seem to be able to connect it to my pc through any of the ports, although the rj45 works and also the normal size usb port does take usb sticks. could you please help with connecting it to my pc. i also would like a working marketplace. and what does the otg mean on the mini usb port.
All of the settings seem to also point to it being a phone which of course it isnt, and when you try to do any phone settings it just crashes
information is as follows
model number P7901a
firmware version 2.1-update 1
kernel version 2.6.32.9
build number p7901a-eng 2.1-update 1 ERE27 eng.root.20100708.111326 test-keys
It is a shame about the fake cpu reports but for the money if we get a working marketplace and maybe custom roms with a hpoeful update to android 2.2 it will be fine
Well I have some posts back a page, about a few hiccups , and although I understand that there is a problem with the specs the reality is that this machine isn`t that bad in its own right. I took mine to one of my sons, an IT type , who has an Apple IPad , and after he looked and played with it for some time gave it the verdict that it was a good match for his IPad but at a much lower price. I think that for the money spent its a great machine, and clearly in a much higher league than my earlier M003.
Mine works well on Wi-Fi, it works fine in Maccas, and I have downloaded and installed another market type installer, so I have a much wider choice of programs now. Sure, its disappointing that it isn`t as the specs and yes mine does glitch from time to time but as I have said I`m happy.
I would be even happier if I actually can move up to Android 2.2 but for now its fine.
I bought it because it was meant to be faster than whats generally available in the lower price market - which It is, for the bigger clearer screen - which it has, and for the more sensitive touch screen - which it true.
You already have one, Slide Me - Sam 3.5, and I have download and installed
"AndAppStore" Client v1.5.15 which works well ( but not on a M003 which I also have ).
Well I have some posts back a page, about a few hiccups , and although I understand that there is a problem with the specs the reality is that this machine isn`t that bad in its own right. I took mine to one of my sons, an IT type , who has an Apple IPad , and after he looked and played with it for some time gave it the verdict that it was a good match for his IPad but at a much lower price. I think that for the money spent its a great machine, and clearly in a much higher league than my earlier M003.
Mine works well on Wi-Fi, it works fine in Maccas, and I have downloaded and installed another market type installer, so I have a much wider choice of programs now. Sure, its disappointing that it isn`t as the specs and yes mine does glitch from time to time but as I have said I`m happy.
I would be even happier if I actually can move up to Android 2.2 but for now its fine.
I bought it because it was meant to be faster than whats generally available in the lower price market - which It is, for the bigger clearer screen - which it has, and for the more sensitive touch screen - which it true.
So lemme get this straight. The Zenithink ZT-180 is still a great tablet even if the processor is not the A8 as they claimed it to be?
How will this affect anything? (I'm such a noob!)
1. Will it still be able to upgrade to Android 2.2 (once an update is released)
2. Does it affect the tablet's video playing (any format, 720 vs 1080)
3. Will we still get Android Marketplace with it (in the future)
4. Does it affect the Wifi or the web browsing in general?
Arm11 vs A8 Cortex - Is it really that big of a deal? I mean for a tablet that's less than $300, is it really a deal breaker?
Yes
Possibly. The A8 has more performance.
Probably not, except as a work around.
For the most part no, but Adobe has stated that the A8 is required for full flash support.
So the ZT-180 will never get the Flash 10 update?
Back to waiting for the Adam then
as i asked before can anyone help me with connecting it to the computer as i does not seem to be detected when use any of the ports to connect it to my computer
It seems there is a 10" telechips android board available now. Anyone know anything about it? The standard telechips board on the market is an ARM11 chip clocked at 600 and 720MHz, with a 1080P DSP. It performs ok.
anyona at all who has got one of these already. please can you tell me if you have been sucessuflly able to get it connected or mounted with your pc. i would be grateful
I'll give it a go when I get back. But at this point, there is a USB port, so I've been using that to store files from my PC that I want to store on it, so there has been no point as of now.
I did flash it successfully using the OTG USB port, which installed a driver, but this is the flash mode.
EDIT: Get back, as in get home from work. 2 hours maybe.
EDIT: tested and no connection.
Last edited by icurafu; August 3rd, 2010 at 06:26 AM.
My 10inch ( I presume its a Zenithink ) came from Shenzen Topsky, and was ordered through ********** - this site has Escrow - which is a system where you pay your money on order to the site ( ********** group is also YahooChina ) who keep the money ( or you can use Paypal credit ) for you, the goods get sent, and tracked, and delivered, you confirm delivery and that the goods are correct, and then you confirm to ********** and the money gets paid to the dealer. If the dealer doesn`t deliver within a set time - usually a set number of days - then you automatically get your money back. ( Which happened to me with another supplier who couldn`t supply on time. )
I have used this system a few times now and it appears to be a very secure way of ordering business. Its important to use ********** if you want it to be secured as the main site Alibaba is much more open and free wheeling and you take risks.
To be honest I have had a look at my order from Shenzen Topsky, who by the way have given excellent service and with speed, and they have been completely honest in what they have sold me, the description has read the in question ZT-180 but in no way implied that it was an Cortex A8 ( that association has been generated elsewhere and this had led me to believe the specs I had purchased on were not correct ) ( the machine identifies itself as an Armv6 processor )they have also correctly indentified the op-system, the ports and the fact it is a 1080p player. I do however only have a mono sound output and I`m not sure if that is hardware or software related.
The price I paid was and still is US $183.00 or so, with delivery to AU a total of - US $217.00. So I didn`t pay a high price in the first place so I`m happy.
Last edited by vfastbear; August 3rd, 2010 at 05:51 AM.
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today I was talking on my phone with my ePad. As my phone got close to my ePad, the GSM noise would output through the ePad. I kept it there and noticed the change in sound when I spoke.
The closer it got to the ePad, the louder it went. The noise still existed after turning off the wifi on the ePad.
This makes me wonder what kind of electrical testing was completed on this device.
any luck with connecting the ZT-180 to your computer yet?
and do you know wether the firmware shown the the thread over at xda is any newer than the on shipped on my Epad?
model number P7901a
firmware version 2.1-update 1
kernel version 2.6.32.9
build number p7901a-eng 2.1-update 1 ERE27 eng.root.20100708.111326 test-keys
read my post above. Not connecting. I've got your firmware version, but that does not really matter because for the dev version, they just keep the same version on the unit because it is not supposed to be distributed.
Many different firmwares will have that version number. Just wait for the first customer release. Should not be long now.
read my post above. Not connecting. I've got your firmware version, but that does not really matter because for the dev version, they just keep the same version on the unit because it is not supposed to be distributed.
Many different firmwares will have that version number. Just wait for the first customer release. Should not be long now.
Hi, new member here. Thanks for all the info you (and others) have been providing on these new tablets. I have one on the way and have been following all the craziness thus far! When you say "first customer release", do you mean from Zenithink, the vendor you bought the unit from, or the build Willo on slatedroid.com appears to be working on with FC?
Thx!
P.S. I have seen these ZT-180 units being sold and rebranded from so many different places. They are liketly going to be everywhere before we know it. IMO, even though they aren't the A8 as some vendors touted, this can only be a good thing. I'm a little bummed if they can't run Android 2.2 and flash, but you can't have everything. I only paid $207 shipped, so I won't be greedy!
It's a bit confusing but the one at US $350.52 - 392.78 is for a lot of 2. The other is for just 1 piece.
I will be buying 5 from Kam today. I chatted with him over the whole day yesterday and he is testing all of them before he sends them. He also gave me so money off.
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Originally Posted by mindwave
now here is the part that SLAYS me.
the alibab seller that was recommended because his TCC 10" was $175 (roughly)+s/h still has the ZT180 for sale at (hold on ) $350 + s/h
It's a bit confusing but the one at US $350.52 - 392.78 is for a lot of 2. The other is for just 1 piece.
I will be buying 5 from Kam today. I chatted with him over the whole day yesterday and he is testing all of them before he sends them. He also gave me so money off.
I wish you luck...btw Kam is not a man...check out the pic LOL.
Hello from Thailand...
I've just ordered mine yesterday (30 July) at **********.
It will take 10 days for order processing, so i expect to get it via EMS around mid of August (the status says 'stock', so i hope the seller can ship faster than 10 days).
Will test the unit and write a brief review after i received and tested.
Happy to see you all who share the same interesting gadget.
PS: Sorry about my poor English.
I have ordered another item, on July 30th, with another seller who take 5 processing days. The item is promised to be shipped on August 4th PM. So, i will get it around August 11th.
By the way, the item page has been updated with following information;
Dear customers, attention please:
This model is a new product and the firmware does not support the USB 3G or the Android market function temporarily. The firmware updating is in the process of R&D (research and development). It is planned to be finished within this month and we will provide the regular customers with the new version thereafter by sending a link for downloading to upgrade.
Also, CPU information has changed from "Zenithink ZT-180" into "Telechip,CPU Dual Core 1.2GHZ"
This is quite frustrating for me. Support for USB 3G doesn't matter to me because i won't use it outside my house. Not support for Android market can be some problems. Can work-around for .apk anyway.
But the CPU details is quite strange. I tried to find one with Telechip long before ordering this Zenithink one. If it is real, it will be great.
What do you think about this? See more info in below link:
Thats just the normal telechips MID. They are counting the CPU and DSP clock speed together. The CPU is only 600MHz or 720MHz.
It looks like you were cheated. You need to demand a Zenithink ZT-180 unit as promised.
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Originally Posted by senee
I have ordered another item, on July 30th, with another seller who take 5 processing days. The item is promised to be shipped on August 4th PM. So, i will get it around August 11th.
By the way, the item page has been updated with following information;
Dear customers, attention please:
This model is a new product and the firmware does not support the USB 3G or the Android market function temporarily. The firmware updating is in the process of R&D (research and development). It is planned to be finished within this month and we will provide the regular customers with the new version thereafter by sending a link for downloading to upgrade.
Also, CPU information has changed from "Zenithink ZT-180" into "Telechip,CPU Dual Core 1.2GHZ"
This is quite frustrating for me. Support for USB 3G doesn't matter to me because i won't use it outside my house. Not support for Android market can be some problems. Can work-around for .apk anyway.
But the CPU details is quite strange. I tried to find one with Telechip long before ordering this Zenithink one. If it is real, it will be great.
What do you think about this? See more info in below link:
