Why Android Will Beat iPhone and BlackBerry??

[mastermind1431]

Just to give a heads up... Android, the new baby, is competing with giants like iPhone and BB.... It took very less time to come up to this stage where people are talking about Android..(that's the Google style.. )... don't forget that Android is opensource and it would improve like a skyrocket....
Thumps up to Android!!!

 

[riki1kenobi]

It amuses me when people use logic like this. You presume that everyone who has an Apple device has one because they are mindlessly buying into the Apple hype and want to do things the Apple way. You also argue that people will naturally progress to wanting something that is more technologically advanced.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the statistics just dont seem to back up your argument. The majority of Apple users are NOT first time users. They are repeat customers who have owned an Apple device in the past. As to the progression argument. It is already being seen. iPhone users are migrating by their droves to android.....Why, well the people I know and the posts I read about all point to one thing. They want a more progressive technology instead of a controlled and locked down one!

It all comes down to what you need in a device.

Fair enough I agree that is down to choice and need. But with the iPhone it is also down to Fashion!

You should've began your post by saying "iPhone will have a market as long as they make a solid device that appeals to a reasonable section of the market."

But then again we are NOT on an Apple forum so I dont think I need to placate the Fanbois with my opinions

This is a very narrow opinion of a company that is doing quite good for itself. People like Apple products for various reasons, not only because they are drones buying anything they make.

There is plenty of market for more than one smartphone maker, so Blackberry and Apple will be around for a long time.

Point out where I have mentioned that Apple are NOT doing well for itself

RIM and Apple are manufacturers and as such will have to follow the trend or come up with an attractive alternative solution otherwise they will lose their market share (which is already happening to both).

Android is an OS only AND is available on multiple manufacturers! As long as the market buys into the premise of a truly open source OS it WILL be around for a very long time!

IF Apple decide to adopt the droid OS for their range of products then they could very well have THE killer product, but I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon Hence my earlier comments. It is NOT narrow minded, merely simple business accumen.

As to the comments about "drones", seriously, I do wish people would stop putting things in that I have NOT said! Quote me or ask me to clarify what I was meaning by all means, but dont just make stuff up! It is a tad annoying

The majority of iPhone users own/owned an iPod, the majority of iPhone4 users came from owning a 3G/3GS. IF they really wanted to move on to something new they wouldnt keep buying what is essentially the same tech in a different coat!

Some stats are actually pretty clear cut. Apple trade on it, but for how much longer?

 

[panamathor]

True mastermind. I'm not new to Open Source and have worked with or use Typo3, Wordpress, Moodle so I know things improve fast.

But, with the above products, the company behind it actually participates in their support bulletin boards. Google is totally silent.

I've seen about 10 possible fixes on how to get for instance Google Talk to work on my Galaxy S over wifi so I can actually use the App Market (took a day to figure out they were related issues).

None of the fixes works and I ask myself. Why is there no 'knowledge base' like article on Google's website that explains that the problem is and provides a fix or tells us there is simply no fix until Froyo or Gingerbread or whatever. But to let this problem linger on for 9 months is unacceptable and above all, unnecessary!

Or is Google getting Microsoftitis?

 

[riki1kenobi]

Google is the most shocking company I have ever come across in terms of support. M$ are miles ahead in that respect, as shocking as that is!

There are support tickets going back years that Google havent bothered to address, primarily because it allows user hacks/workarounds etc.

They claim to play under the banner of the Open Source Project but they arent playing by the rules of Open Source Projects!

 

[A.Nonymous]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the statistics just dont seem to back up your argument. The majority of Apple users are NOT first time users. They are repeat customers who have owned an Apple device in the past.

Statistics also reveal that the majority of McDonald's customers are NOT first time users. They are repeat customers who have eaten there before. Statistics reveal that many Honda owners are repeat customers who have owned Honda's in the past. Could it be that Apple users are people who have owned Apple products in the past, liked the experience and so they purchased new Apple products? There is such a thing as brand loyalty and it's earned in some case.

I made the argument that not everyone who buys an Apple advice buys it just because they are mindless drones. My argument still stands. Apple makes quality products and people buy them because they are quality products. Brand loyalty != mindless drone. If you phone broke today would you buy another Android phone? Probably yes. Does that make you a mindless drone? Of course not. You've found a product you like which works for you and you're sticking with it. There's nothing wrong with that.

As to the progression argument. It is already being seen. iPhone users are migrating by their droves to android.....Why, well the people I know and the posts I read about all point to one thing. They want a more progressive technology instead of a controlled and locked down one!

Stats to back this up? You cite anecdotal evidence which isn't empirical at all by definition. I work with an iPhone user who is perfectly happy with his iPhone and has no desire to upgrade to Android. I have a friend who is more than happy to buy my iTouch from me. Apple's market share doesn't seem to indicate that people are abandoning them for Android or anything else.

But then again we are NOT on an Apple forum so I dont think I need to placate the Fanbois with my opinions

No need to placate anyone. The statement is true regardless. As long as Apple makes a quality product that appeals to a decent sized segment of the market, they'll stay afloat. That's a fact and you can substitute Apple for RIM or MS or Android or anything else.

Android is an OS only AND is available on multiple manufacturers! As long as the market buys into the premise of a truly open source OS it WILL be around for a very long time!

This wasn't directed at me, but I do want to respond to it. The market doesn't care if an OS is open source or not. Nerds like us do, but the average consumer does not. Linux has been an open source alternative to Windows and Mac OS for more than a decade. It has made no inroads in the market whatsoever. Consumers couldn't care less if something is open source. They want something that's quality and performs well. Android is both of those as is iOS for that matter. That's why they succeed.

IF Apple decide to adopt the droid OS for their range of products then they could very well have THE killer product, but I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon Hence my earlier comments. It is NOT narrow minded, merely simple business accumen.

Apple already has a killer product with their hardware running iOS. Why would they want to adopt another OS? Their phone is only available from a carrier that everyone hates but it still is #3 on the market. They get a cut when they sell the phone, they get a cut when people buy music for the phone and they get a cut when people buy apps for the phone and they get a cut from ads on the phone. Please tell me why they would want to adopt another OS? You speak of business acumen, but it would be rather poor business acumen to abandon iOS in favor of Android on their hardware. They'd lose their iTunes revenue and their iAds revenue as well. Rather poor business acumen IMO.

As to the comments about "drones", seriously, I do wish people would stop putting things in that I have NOT said! Quote me or ask me to clarify what I was meaning by all means, but dont just make stuff up! It is a tad annoying

You said, "iPhone will have a market as long as people are tied into "Doing it the Apple way!". If your implication is not that Apple users are drones, what did you mean with that comment?

The majority of iPhone users own/owned an iPod, the majority of iPhone4 users came from owning a 3G/3GS. IF they really wanted to move on to something new they wouldnt keep buying what is essentially the same tech in a different coat!

Some stats are actually pretty clear cut. Apple trade on it, but for how much longer?

Is it at all possible that people actually like the experience they're getting from Apple? Could people be buying an iPhone, an iPad, an iTouch, etc.... because they like that experience? Is it possible that people are buying Apple products not because they're, "doing it the Apple way", but because they're quality products that the consumer's actually like?

 

[huff_diggler]

While many iPhone users are reporting high satisfaction, it doesn't matter for the long term. The Android platform will crush all other smartphones in both its sheer number of users and vendors.

Guys.... Let me just list down couple of the reasons why I think Android Will Beat iPhone and BlackBerry...

lol just keep telling yourselfs that, it eases the pain, go into any phone retailer and ask them which is the best phone on the market, sure swiping your finger across the screen is sissy, but its also because the touch technolgy is far better than any andriod phone, the quality of the accelorometers is far better to, as is the simple but brilliant OS that the iphone uses, and remember just how many decent apps there is on appstore, not just sheer numbers, but proper, great quality fun games, properly supported and auto updated, the music apps are superb, iambeatbox, Rebirth, Nlogsynth, Argon to name the tip of the iceberg of full PROPER music programs and synths(ok iambeatbox is more of a fun thing) Games? need i even go there? there is no point trying to give it iphone v andriod or blackberry, don't get me wrong the apple franchise is far from perfect, but christ, it's not far from it. and it doesnt ride on the back of windows mobile, which is the worst platform for sheer banging of head experiance. so it doesnt play flash, so what? it does let you access youtube, via the youtube app....Next!

 

[huff_diggler]

Is it at all possible that people actually like the experience they're getting from Apple? Could people be buying an iPhone, an iPad, an iTouch, etc.... because they like that experience? Is it possible that people are buying Apple products not because they're, "doing it the Apple way", but because they're quality products that the consumer's actually like?

correct, i got a couple of ipods and an iphone 3g 8gb and a 3gs 16gb and the quality of apples gear is astounding, so the iphone4 has an issue at the momment and the ipad overheats, you know these things will get sorted, apple's tech is bleeding edge, cream of the crap, but all this praise i'm gently sprinkling on isnt without good cause, though i would never buy an ipad, i got one of those zenithink epads, with more cracks in the OS to hardware ratio than sand on every beach, its a challenge that i enjoy, bit like eating the hottest curry, with only a shotglass full of water to quench your thirst. the experiance that the iphone/apple gives you is second to non.

 

[HappyHipster]

...its just cool to have an iPhone.

Pretty much sums up why most people buy an iphone in the first place. It's pointless to try and convince them otherwise.

 

[Bnice]

Is it at all possible that people actually like the experience they're getting from Apple? Could people be buying an iPhone, an iPad, an iTouch, etc.... because they like that experience? Is it possible that people are buying Apple products not because they're, "doing it the Apple way", but because they're quality products that the consumer's actually like?

Well the same can be said for Android and we can question the quality on both.

 

[HappyHipster]

lol just keep telling yourselfs that, it eases the pain, go into any phone retailer and ask them which is the best phone on the market, sure swiping your finger across the screen is sissy, but its also because the touch technolgy is far better than any andriod phone, the quality of the accelorometers is far better to, as is the simple but brilliant OS that the iphone uses, and remember just how many decent apps there is on appstore, not just sheer numbers, but proper, great quality fun games, properly supported and auto updated, the music apps are superb, iambeatbox, Rebirth, Nlogsynth, Argon to name the tip of the iceberg of full PROPER music programs and synths(ok iambeatbox is more of a fun thing) Games? need i even go there? there is no point trying to give it iphone v andriod or blackberry, don't get me wrong the apple franchise is far from perfect, but christ, it's not far from it. and it doesnt ride on the back of windows mobile, which is the worst platform for sheer banging of head experiance. so it doesnt play flash, so what? it does let you access youtube, via the youtube app....Next!

You can't be for real! Are you a troll?

 

[riki1kenobi]

Oh boy, Fanboi/troll alert, lock down the site we have a a live one here.........

A lot of the answers are right under your nose

You are on an android forum. How many users have migrated from iPhone? Knock yourself out by doing a Poll and find out IF you are so interested.

Selected comments I'd like to address are;

"The market doesn't care if an OS is open source or not."

Okay, So in your opinion then the success of Android is down to what exactly?

"Linux has been an open source alternative to Windows and Mac OS for more than a decade. It has made no inroads in the market whatsoever."

Seriously, your credibility is dropping faster than a two bit hookers g-string Linux is the only OS on the market that is increasing its share, Windows and OSX are decreasing.

"Is it possible that people are buying Apple products not because they're, "doing it the Apple way", but because they're quality products that the consumer's actually like?"

Yes it is, but using the same logic it is also highly improbable! Given that IF you bought an iPod you will have all your music etc on iTunes which means that it is (for the majority of users) difficult to integrate with any other hardware! So, therefore, logic does seem to point to the "buy it once and become locked in" theory! But never let logic stand in the way of a good fanboi post eh

 

[A.Nonymous]

Well the same can be said for Android and we can question the quality on both.

Agreed. No arguments there. Neither platform is perfect and both have their drawbacks. However it would be as unfair to characterize Android users as lemmings as it would be to characterize Apple users that way.

Oh boy, Fanboi/troll alert, lock down the site we have a a live one here.........

A lot of the answers are right under your nose

You are on an android forum. How many users have migrated from iPhone? Knock yourself out by doing a Poll and find out IF you are so interested.

I'm a fanboy because I pointed out that you're using anecdotal evidence to back up your claim? I'm a fanboy because I asked for the statistical proof? If I went to an Apple forum I'm sure I would find a lot of former Android users. What's your point? Where's your statistical evidence that people are abandoning Apple for Android?

Selected comments I'd like to address are;

"The market doesn't care if an OS is open source or not."

Okay, So in your opinion then the success of Android is down to what exactly?

Android succeeds because it is a quality product. It's a responsive OS, it runs on multiple hardware platforms and it delivers what consumer's want. It's an alternative to iOS that's similar in quality. This is why it's successfully. It has nothing to do with it being open source.

"Linux has been an open source alternative to Windows and Mac OS for more than a decade. It has made no inroads in the market whatsoever."

Seriously, your credibility is dropping faster than a two bit hookers g-string Linux is the only OS on the market that is increasing its share, Windows and OSX are decreasing.

Last I looked, Windows had a 95% share in the desktop space and a 90% share in the netbook space and it's share in the server market was close to that as well. Windows isn't increasing because it has no where to go. It's got a 95% share. Where does it go from there?

"Is it possible that people are buying Apple products not because they're, "doing it the Apple way", but because they're quality products that the consumer's actually like?"

Yes it is, but using the same logic it is also highly improbable! Given that IF you bought an iPod you will have all your music etc on iTunes which means that it is (for the majority of users) difficult to integrate with any other hardware! So, therefore, logic does seem to point to the "buy it once and become locked in" theory! But never let logic stand in the way of a good fanboi post eh

It's improbable that anyone would buy an Apple product because they like it? Really? Why did so many people buy those products in the first place? Could it be because it's actually a good product? Could a business actually stay in business because it puts out a good product that people want? Surely not. The idea is ludicrous.

You're also arguing counter to your previous claim that people are abandoning Apple for Android. Why are they doing this if iTunes locks them into an Apple device?

 

[huff_diggler]

Yes it is, but using the same logic it is also highly improbable! Given that IF you bought an iPod you will have all your music etc on iTunes which means that it is (for the majority of users) difficult to integrate with any other hardware! So, therefore, logic does seem to point to the "buy it once and become locked in" theory! But never let logic stand in the way of a good fanboi post eh

wrong, i got over 75k of mp3's in my mp3 folder, i just drag and drop through itunes, the amount of music i pay for on itunes is exactley 0, itunes, for me is just a transport program, or one to the other, not really a fanboi, just thought you should know sense from senseless if you will.

i never knocked android once in my post either...

 

[darthlinux]

The only big problem the iphone has is you can't add more storage like you can with andriod phones.

 

[muab]

There are at least 3 separate arguments going here, and in many ways it goes back to the same arguments regarding PC/Mac a decade or two ago with many of the same conclusions.

I am a former Treo user (for years and years) and a former iPhone user. I came directly from the iPhone to the Mot Droid so I have some basis of experience.

Back in the Mac/PC wars you had almost identical arguments.

PC person: "Mac is going to be dominated by PC because you have a bazillion manufacturers making PC's and just one Apple. PC's give you more bang for the buck. More versatility in hardware (cheap to expensive/simple to complex/slow to fast etc...) whereas Mac gives you one flavor."

Mac person: "Mac is the better platform. It JUST WORKS, whereas you have to screw around and get patches and updates to make the PC's even come close to Mac in performance. PC is the imitator and Mac is the originator... etc..."

Did PC dominate the computing world?

Completely and inarguably.

Does that mean that the Mac was an inferior product?

No way. Windows got better and better the more it copied the Mac OS from day one.

Someone said in an earlier post that the iPhone is like a Mercedes...I think that is not a bad analogy. I think the iPhone is like one model of Mercedes (pick a good one...SL500 or whatever) with a couple of different year models.

The problem (just like with the PC wars) is that Android is the equivalent of Toyota/Lexus. It is the "Everyphone" because of the multiple manufacturers, multiple carriers, diverse price-points etc... The SL500 is arguably a very cool car but it cannot compete on total sales with Toyota/Lexus and their dozens of models. The SL500 cannot compete on overall user satisfaction with Toyota/Lexus because all these models suit a dozen different kinds of user or different demographics.

It is inevitable (in my opinion) that Android will crush iPhone in total sales by a many multiples within a few years. I would bet every dime I own on Android crushing EVERY smartphone operating system within 4 years. If someone wishes to take me up on a small wager PM me (I am semi serious about that...I could use some easy money).

Just like the Mac the iPhone is executed EXCELLENTLY in my opinion. It is polished and works very well at almost everything most of the time.

From an essential principle basis the iPhone business model's strength is also its weakness. Apple wish to control the I/O pathways of all of their devices and that was a BRILLIANT move on their part and has made them one of the most successful companies in America in recent years.
BUT, that is a huge limitation. The ability to use SD cards and easy wifi transfers to add and subtract data and applications is a KEY difference between the iPhone and nearly every Android device.
Also, from a security standpoint I do not like any phone that cannot have its battery removed. (Look into phonespy or similar products...your phone is never truly 100% secure/off unless the battery is removed...the right people (big brother at a minimum) can access your phone and listen to the room where it is at any time unless the battery is removed).

There are some systemic/essential/principle-based aspects of the Iphone that are not likely to change and, like the Mac, that is about CONTROL and the Android mindset is the opposite to that. Control gives you a nice, predictable safe platform. Freedom creates problems, but also attracts the greatest brain power, creativity, and will inevitably push limits beyond anything Mac/Apple/iPhone will ever see.

Cheers.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

From an essential principle basis the iPhone business model's strength is also its weakness. Apple wish to control the I/O pathways of all of their devices and that was a BRILLIANT move on their part and has made them one of the most successful companies in America in recent years.
BUT, that is a huge limitation. The ability to use SD cards and easy wifi transfers to add and subtract data and applications is a KEY difference between the iPhone and nearly every Android device.

Correction. Iphones have wifi file sharing apps for a while. E.G. WebDav/AFP/FTP server apps.
Furthermore, new version of iTunes now have a panel where you can copy files in-n-out for certain apps. I use a filemananger call "Files"
and I can copy files via wifi or via iTunes synch.

Also, from a security standpoint I do not like any phone that cannot have its battery removed. (Look into phonespy or similar products...your phone is never truly 100% secure/off unless the battery is removed...the right people (big brother at a minimum) can access your phone and listen to the room where it is at any time unless the battery is removed).

WHAT DOES removable battery have to do with security? I can power up my 2 android phones via USB if I need to.

There are some systemic/essential/principle-based aspects of the Iphone that are not likely to change and, like the Mac, that is about CONTROL and the Android mindset is the opposite to that. Control gives you a nice, predictable safe platform. Freedom creates problems, but also attracts the greatest brain power, creativity, and will inevitably push limits beyond anything Mac/Apple/iPhone will ever see.

The same open/close arguments have been made for over 7 years now. Sansa, Creative were saying the same thing about the iPod in 2003.
Window Mobile blogs were saying the same thing about non-replaceable battery and no sdhc,mini-shdc, and now micro-sdhc slots on the iPhone in 2007.
Nothing has changed. As for the non-replaceable batttery, well, that really isn't an issue if you have excellent battery life. Again,these arguments haven't swayed consumer for the past 8 years in their previous incarnations.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I agree with you on so many points here, but I totally disagree on others.

There are at least 3 separate arguments going here, and in many ways it goes back to the same arguments regarding PC/Mac a decade or two ago with many of the same conclusions.

I am a former Treo user (for years and years) and a former iPhone user. I came directly from the iPhone to the Mot Droid so I have some basis of experience.

Back in the Mac/PC wars you had almost identical arguments.

PC person: "Mac is going to be dominated by PC because you have a bazillion manufacturers making PC's and just one Apple. PC's give you more bang for the buck. More versatility in hardware (cheap to expensive/simple to complex/slow to fast etc...) whereas Mac gives you one flavor."

Mac person: "Mac is the better platform. It JUST WORKS, whereas you have to screw around and get patches and updates to make the PC's even come close to Mac in performance. PC is the imitator and Mac is the originator... etc..."

Did PC dominate the computing world?

Completely and inarguably.

Does that mean that the Mac was an inferior product?

No way. Windows got better and better the more it copied the Mac OS from day one.

Depends on how you define inferior. Certainly in terms of making money in the marketplace it was/is inferior. It is a niche OS, but it fills that niche very, very nicely and in that sense it's a success.

Someone said in an earlier post that the iPhone is like a Mercedes...I think that is not a bad analogy. I think the iPhone is like one model of Mercedes (pick a good one...SL500 or whatever) with a couple of different year models.

The problem (just like with the PC wars) is that Android is the equivalent of Toyota/Lexus. It is the "Everyphone" because of the multiple manufacturers, multiple carriers, diverse price-points etc... The SL500 is arguably a very cool car but it cannot compete on total sales with Toyota/Lexus and their dozens of models. The SL500 cannot compete on overall user satisfaction with Toyota/Lexus because all these models suit a dozen different kinds of user or different demographics.

Totally agree.

It is inevitable (in my opinion) that Android will crush iPhone in total sales by a many multiples within a few years. I would bet every dime I own on Android crushing EVERY smartphone operating system within 4 years. If someone wishes to take me up on a small wager PM me (I am semi serious about that...I could use some easy money).

I would love to take every dime you own, but I'd feel kind of bad about it. Define "crush". Are we talking about the 90-95% share Windows enjoys in the desktop market?

Just like the Mac the iPhone is executed EXCELLENTLY in my opinion. It is polished and works very well at almost everything most of the time.

Agreed.

From an essential principle basis the iPhone business model's strength is also its weakness. Apple wish to control the I/O pathways of all of their devices and that was a BRILLIANT move on their part and has made them one of the most successful companies in America in recent years.
BUT, that is a huge limitation. The ability to use SD cards and easy wifi transfers to add and subtract data and applications is a KEY difference between the iPhone and nearly every Android device.

I agree with you to a certain extent. The SD card thing needs to happen. It's silly that the iPhone doesn't support it. You can easily transfer data from phone to phone with an app like Bump though and you can install/uninstall apps very easily with iTunes and from the device itself. You click an X and the app is gone. Of course this only applies to Apple approved apps.

Also, from a security standpoint I do not like any phone that cannot have its battery removed. (Look into phonespy or similar products...your phone is never truly 100% secure/off unless the battery is removed...the right people (big brother at a minimum) can access your phone and listen to the room where it is at any time unless the battery is removed).

No offense, but I think you're being a little paranoid there.

There are some systemic/essential/principle-based aspects of the Iphone that are not likely to change and, like the Mac, that is about CONTROL and the Android mindset is the opposite to that. Control gives you a nice, predictable safe platform. Freedom creates problems, but also attracts the greatest brain power, creativity, and will inevitably push limits beyond anything Mac/Apple/iPhone will ever see.

Cheers.

Don't necessarily agree. Apple is all about control, but their control is all about offering things that you can't get in the wide open market.

 

[riki1kenobi]

IF those who think Apple is so superior why are you on an Android forum?

Why dont you just do us all a favour and take yer trolling fanboi BS to a relevant Apple forum?

 

[darreno1]

IF those who think Apple is so superior why are you on an Android forum?

Why dont you just do us all a favour and take yer trolling fanboi BS to a relevant Apple forum?

Well in all fairness, the forum is open to anyone and some users here were or are iPhone users. However, what I find strange is that there are many staunch iPhone defenders with Android phones which to me, speaks volumes.

And it's not that I don't understand the idea of appreciating different platforms and giving respect where it's due. It's just that I don't staunchly defend another platform that I left behind. I had an iPhone 3g and later, a Palm Pre. Yes I'll readily admit, there were some good things about IOS and WebOS, however, I moved on because the things I found negative overwhelmed what I found positive. And I'm not going to sit here and praise them because I moved on to what I consider superior: Android.

To me, if IOS is an SL 500, Android is a Bugatti Veyron.

 

[A.Nonymous]

IF those who think Apple is so superior why are you on an Android forum?

Why dont you just do us all a favour and take yer trolling fanboi BS to a relevant Apple forum?

Where did I say that Apple is "so superior?" All I said is that Apple makes a quality product and people buy it because it's a quality product. What part of that statement do you dispute?

 

[bearsfan85]

Just got a new Galaxy S. Turns out I can't download apps via WiFi. Had to search all day to find out I have to open some ports on my wifi router.

But, ups, the default g-mail account has to be changed. Can't just replace it with another one, nooooo, You have to reset the phone!

Im pretty sure you can just clear the cache for gmail, market, calendar, and contacts and it will ask you to re-sign in when you try to open one of those apps, I could be wrong though.

It amuses me when people use logic like this. You presume that everyone who has an Apple device has one because they are mindlessly buying into the Apple hype and want to do things the Apple way. You also argue that people will naturally progress to wanting something that is more technologically advanced.

Spoiler

Neither of these is true. I have an iTouch that I recently sold to a friend of mine. I sold it because I want just one device to carry around instead of carrying around an MP3 player and a phone. I enjoyed the iTouch. To me it was a great media only device that also ran productivity apps. Why does my friend want? Because he wants to do things the Apple way right? No. He does not want/need a smartphone because he doesn't want the extra cost every month. He does however want a mobile gaming platform that is primarily an MP3 player. For him, an Android phone (or any other smartphone for that matter) is a bad choice while the iTouch is perfect.

I have a DInc. It's unrooted and running all the stock apps and Sense UI. I could root it, run a custom ROM on it, upgrade it to Froyo and do all kinds of more advanced stuff on it. I have no desire to do so. I don't want to run custom ROMS, I don't want root. I'm not enough of a tech head to want any of that stuff. The fact that my current phone does more than my old phone does not make me want to do more with my current phone.

It bugs me when people have some idea that everyone who uses an Apple device is somehow a mindless sheep and is not using the device because it works for them, but they are using it because someone told them it was cool. Their needs could be satisfied by something way, way better, but they stick with the inferior device just because.

RIM and WinMo are widely used in enterprise environments. Android and iOS are not. Why? Because RIM and WinMo excel at corporate email and it's only recently that Android and iOS have done so. Even then, both iOS and Android even more so are somewhat unproven in this department. RIM and WinMo are not so popular in the consumer environment. Why is that? Because the needs/wants of the consumer are different than enterprise.

It all comes down to what you need in a device. You should've began your post by saying "iPhone will have a market as long as they make a solid device that appeals to a reasonable section of the market."

The point riki1kenobi was making is that as people start using more and more technology and starting at a younger age, there will be more "tech heads" and they are going to want something more than a simple device. the iphone will not die in the next 5 yrs, but the users will drop because currently the "apple way" (excluding jailbreak) does not allow for the technological freedom that the "tech heads" will want.

 

[muab]

MrSpeedmaster I think you are leaping to a few conclusions perhaps...or leaping to analogies that are flawed perhaps.

Please do research on Phonespy or other similar products and you will understand why for true security (I mean defense level or if dealing with significant legal issues etc...) you must be able to completely kill the power to a phone. If I have access to nearly any bluetooth enabled phone for 5 minutes I can gain access to your phone and power it up, monitor your speaker phone, sift your contacts, listen to every phone call, read every text message and so on.
When I enter certain meetings I would not allow any phone even in the room unless the battery is removed.
| understand that this level of security/paranoia is not necessary for most users. It is merely a point of differentiation.

The convenience of multiple batteries is a much greater benefit. If I am in the field with no access to electricity I can keep my Droid powered for multiple days. I possess 3 replacement batteries. It is a pleasant convenience.

Please read my post again if you think I am dogging on the iPhone. I am not.

I feel the iPhone is the top BRAND of phone period. I mean this from a marketing/branding sense.

The Apple products are I/O limited compared to Android products. We had a recent situation where an iPad used for business required a new application, thus synced with iTunes. iTunes wiped ALL the data on the iPad, and escalating this through customer service to the top level basically got a "Sorry there is nothing we can do about it..." With an SD card that data would have been safe. With the ease of tossing App's back and forth, and data back and forth on and Android product on a daily basis, going back to fighting the with Apple products definitely feels quite limiting.

I have no less than three applications that will throw an entire playlist, folder of documents, or applications from my laptop to my phone without every touching anything associated with Google/Verizon. I have complete control and I can achieve this over the net, or entirely within our private network. None of these solutions were complex or difficult work arounds. They were a single app installed on PC and phone, then grabbing files and placing them where I want them to be.

Suggesting that the "open" vs "closed" discussion was settled with mp3 players in regard to Sansa et al is a rather obvious straw man argument.

What are the top 3 third-party applications developed and run on Mp3 players today?

Are there any? If there are I am not aware of them. There is thus no comparison between mp3 players and "mobile computers" i.e. smartphones.
The iPod/iTunes dynamic and branding was pure genius, but it is a different problem with different solutions.

The Android system did not leap into such a strong market position without first-mover status because openess is a dead issue. The wealth of third party solutions on Android are manifestly obvious, and this richness was created for the same reason that Linux is accelerating in the market place: openess.
It spawns creativity and appeals to large quantities of the best small developers.

A. Nonymous, I think we may have to settle upon a definition of dominate. To me for a single platform to possess over 50% of the total market share compared to the combined efforts of ALL competitors is domination... but perhaps my definition is flawed...?

Cheers all.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Well in all fairness, the forum is open to anyone and some users here were or are iPhone users. However, what I find strange is that there are many staunch iPhone defenders with Android phones which to me, speaks volumes.

And it's not that I don't understand the idea of appreciating different platforms and giving respect where it's due. It's just that I don't staunchly defend another platform that I left behind. I had an iPhone 3g and later, a Palm Pre. Yes I'll readily admit, there were some good things about IOS and WebOS, however, I moved on because the things I found negative overwhelmed what I found positive. And I'm not going to sit here and praise them because I moved on to what I consider superior: Android.

To me, if IOS is an SL 500, Android is a Bugatti Veyron.

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I have issues with people who just bash Apple for no apparent reason. Saying that Apple and all their products is crap and that anyone who buys their products is just a mindless drone is inaccurate. I have problems with people who mindlessly bash a product when the facts don't back up what they say at all.

 

[riki1kenobi]

A.Nonymous, why do you think that every post I make is about you bud? To go on a public forum and then demand everyone provide you with facts or statistics whilst attempting to ridicule other peoples opinions is poor form mate......

You have tried to insinuate that I am against Apple, IF that was the case why would I have an iPod, a 3GS and an iPad? When I post I base it on experience or fact. Not supposition or baseless rumour! IF you had even bothered to read my posts, you would see that!

I agree with the website being open to all, but there has to be a cut-off point otherwise all we are going to get is trolls and fanbois simply spreading their "our tech is better than your tech" BS all over the place. Even when it is proven that it is clearly NOT!!

Bearfan85, thank you.....Someone who actually reads the post and gets the message. I was beginning to think I was writing in a forked tongue

 

[bearsfan85]

Bearfan85, thank you.....Someone who actually reads the post and gets the message. I was beginning to think I was writing in a forked tongue

Your not, some of these posts are written by people either in a hole or just dont realize what is going on in the tech world and what is meant by some of the things that is being said. Some posts make me want to tear my hair out