Galaxy S already outdated, Q4 here come dual core

[SamsungVibrant]

So we just got our Vibrant, and guess what, in a couple months dual core will be here, and we know how fast time flys.

Honestly, with all this GPS crap going on, I didn't even get to enjoy my soon to be outdated phone.

Samsung will release a new dual core chip, and with graphics that are 5x that of what we have in our phone.

Samsung’s dual-core CPU Orion coming to Galaxy this year? – Android and Me


LG will release dual core also:
LG to deliver first dual-core Android smartphones in Q4 – Android and Me

I'm kinda not happy about this, septemeber will be over soon, and those new phones will be 2 months away, errrrrrr.....

This is also just my opinion, but the slow pace that samsung and T-mobile are going, I bet Android 2.2 will be the last official update T-mobile gives us for this phone.


2012 brings quad core 2.5ghz
http://androidandme.com/2010/09/news/arm-reveals-quad-core-2-5-ghz-cortex-a-15-slated-for-2012/


MyTouch HD dual processor may be out just in time for holidays
http://androidandme.com/2010/09/news/t-mobile-mytouch-hd-first-dual-core-android-phone-on-4g/

 

[HadouGhost]

dude why are you upset? Thats technology for you. You cant expect it to be top for long. big whoop a new phone. be happy with what you have! i am!

 

[SamsungVibrant]

dude why are you upset? Thats technology for you. You cant expect it to be top for long. big whoop a new phone. be happy with what you have! i am!

I wanted this phone to be the latest and greatest for at least 6 months.

 

[melll]

Oh please. Theres always going to be better every single year. If you want, you can wait until December 2011 for the quad cores to come out with 8 times the power.

Seriously, get over it, or buy the new stuff when it comes out.

 

[furyagain]

just buy a new phone.. easy!

have a vibrant now.
can't wait to get a dual core phone in dec/ jan 2011

Just hope , other then dual core cpu/ 5x better gpu
1) they will have 32gb interinal memory and 32gb sd card will be cheaper ( i love 64gb of space for all the video)
2) Flash on the phone
3) 8Mpixel cam
4)higher res screen ( but stay with 4inch)
5) better auido output via headphone jack
6) louder speaker( milestone 's speaker is just So much louder)
7) Better battery life

 

[SamsungVibrant]

Oh please. Theres always going to be better every single year. If you want, you can wait until December 2011 for the quad cores to come out with 8 times the power.

Seriously, get over it, or buy the new stuff when it comes out.

I gues us "Americans," quoting a remark you made in a different thread, have a hard time getting over it, seems like it's easier for Canadians.

Anyway, Moore's law is coming to an end. Moore's law had a good run in the 80's and 90's, but its surely dying now. Past 5 years computers haven't been getting any faster in terms of raw mhz, just adding more cores, which is really just cheating Moore's law. So basically, Moore's law died about 5 years ago. Eventually phones will platue out, same way computers have, you can't continue increasing the speed for ever, thats why they jump to multiple cores. That will plateu out also. Then the challenge will be for software eng to make cleaner programs, than can run faster and more efficiently on the limitations placed by hardware.

 

[Baggy]

Galaxy S will still be a cracking phone even with the new ones coming out soon. The thing this with new tech coming out but the battery life seems to take more of a beating. I'd love to hear next is not about new CPU's but better battery's.

 

[yatimameiji]

I really doubt how much performance gain we will see with a dual core cpus. Programmers still have yet to catch up to parallel programing techinques needed, let alone not everything can be parallelized.

 

[SamsungVibrant]

Galaxy S will still be a cracking phone even with the new ones coming out soon. The thing this with new tech coming out but the battery life seems to take more of a beating. I'd love to hear next is not about new CPU's but better battery's.

exactly! I think they should increase battery life before they try to add more mhz and cores.

 

[Codester3388]

I gues us "Americans," quoting a remark you made in a different thread, have a hard time getting over it, seems like it's easier for Canadians.

Anyway, Moore's law is coming to an end. Moore's law had a good run in the 80's and 90's, but its surely dying now. Past 5 years computers haven't been getting any faster in terms of raw mhz, just adding more cores, which is really just cheating Moore's law. So basically, Moore's law died about 5 years ago. Eventually phones will platue out, same way computers have, you can't continue increasing the speed for ever, thats why they jump to multiple cores. That will plateu out also. Then the challenge will be for software eng to make cleaner programs, than can run faster and more efficiently on the limitations placed by hardware.

Well yea computers are not getting any faster. After 3 GHz they tend to go past what air cooling can handle unless you have a really efficient case. For a normal average person that does not want water cooling and such.... more cores is the only option. I don't think Moore's law died at all. Just that we need to find a way to beat heat since its preventing more speed upgrades in terms of MHz.

 

[HadouGhost]

Galaxy S will still be a cracking phone even with the new ones coming out soon. The thing this with new tech coming out but the battery life seems to take more of a beating. I'd love to hear next is not about new CPU's but better battery's.

Yes the galaxy s will still be a speed deamon.

Them selling dual core phones now is just a money grab. the 1ghz processors of NOW havent even been fully utilised. so having two processors will be a waste considering most developers havent even fully worked out all the power in current tech. Look at the ps3 and xbox 360, theyve been out 5 or so years now and are STILL improving the quality of games and programs on that same 5 yearold tech! im not bothered in the least.

 

[spiz]

I love that technology moves at the pace it does. It's also a great compliment for Android in general, that because of the world of open development and competition, we as consumers get better stuff quicker than ever before.

This shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone, nor should it upset anyone. I love the Vibrant and will be happy with Froyo, even if that is the last update (which is highly unlikely).

If you frequent these forums or especially XDA, Android is a hobby of yours. This is no longer about buying a working cellular phone, it's about having the latest and greatest. You should welcome the influx of new technology. Does it cost more? Sure, but when something is your hobby, you should have no problem shelling out money to have the latest and greatest.

 

[perpetual]

I don't expect to see any phones with these processors this year. Perhaps Q2 2011 the earliest.

 

[howetechnical]

Well yea computers are not getting any faster. After 3 GHz they tend to go past what air cooling can handle unless you have a really efficient case. For a normal average person that does not want water cooling and such.... more cores is the only option. I don't think Moore's law died at all. Just that we need to find a way to beat heat since its preventing more speed upgrades in terms of MHz.

Uh, no. I'm running an OC'd quad core AMD at 4GHz on air. Runs very cool, and I've got a small case. The CPU cooling primarily depends on your HS Fan and thermal paste, anybody who knows PC hardware could tell you that. Intel has a 12 virtual core chip, and AMD will have their 8 physical cores by Q2 of 2011. They just released their 6 physical core a few months ago too...computers are getting A LOT faster every 6 months. As far as the average person, they have no need for more than dual core at most. MS Office, IE (or whatever browser they prefer), and casual gaming is fine on dual core.

 

[howetechnical]

So we just got our Vibrant, and guess what, in a couple months dual core will be here, and we know how fast time flys.

Honestly, with all this GPS crap going on, I didn't even get to enjoy my soon to be outdated phone.

Samsung will release a new dual core chip, and with graphics that are 5x that of what we have in our phone.

Samsung’s dual-core CPU Orion coming to Galaxy this year? – Android and Me


LG will release dual core also:
LG to deliver first dual-core Android smartphones in Q4 – Android and Me

I'm kinda not happy about this, septemeber will be over soon, and those new phones will be 2 months away, errrrrrr.....

This is also just my opinion, but the slow pace that samsung and T-mobile are going, I bet Android 2.2 will be the last official update T-mobile gives us for this phone.

You know how it goes buddy, they announce the release early on, and then push that date back 2-4 months due to "manufacturing issues". Regardless, there's no way that those dual core 1GHz proc's will be even comparable in battery life to our Vibrants unless they make the devices thicker to fit a larger battery. Also, will they have our Super AMOLED screen? Hell no. Samsung said they won't even sell it to other company's until 2012, which I'm sure they'll push back to 2011, but still.

We've still got kick ass devices. The screens, battery life for what it's got inside, storage, RAM, etc etc will allow it to be a major contendor for at least 6 more months (I would estimate that it won't start going out of style for another year or so). It took Apple what, 4 years to get to the point that the iPhone 4 is at now? Our Vibrant kicks the iPhone 4's ass in every way after slightly less than a year of R&D by Samsung. Don't worry, technology doubles every year, and there will always be something new and "better" around the corner. But think of it in terms of how -you- value the device. Dual core 1GHz proc's won't do any good if you don't have the applications to take advantage of that, and I still wouldn't trade my AMOLED screen for a dual core just yet. When my mother in law comes over with her DroidX, I always think, "Damn...that screen looks like crap!". Sorry to you DroidX owners, but the Vibrant's screen is really, REALLY fantastic.

P.s., I'm sure T-Mo and Sprint will have the 2.2 update out on time, as Samsung really wants these GPS issues to be fixed (I'm sure T-Mo and Sprint do too). Don't worry about it. As us homebrewers say, "DWHAHB" which stands for Don't Worry, Have a Home Brew.

 

[bored1]

1. Multiple cores is great. But as mentioned, hardware often outpaces software in terms of capabilities. Simplest examples to look at are gaming platforms. The games released towards the end of a given platforms life cycle will often seem worlds apart from those released towards the beginning. As programmers get to better know the capabilities of the hardware they write on, they can push the envelope further and further.

2. I'm curious as to what the bottlenecks on mobile platforms are. Is cpu really the limiting factor? What about memory access times, especially for sdhc cards? Or even input lag from the touchscreens to other hardware? etc etc. CPUs are only one piece of the puzzle.

2.

Anyway, Moore's law is coming to an end. Moore's law had a good run in the 80's and 90's, but its surely dying now. Past 5 years computers haven't been getting any faster in terms of raw mhz, just adding more cores, which is really just cheating Moore's law. So basically, Moore's law died about 5 years ago.

That's interesting. Do you know what Moore's law is? It has to do with transistors, not MHz. So it's still fairly accurate, to the best of my knowledge. I haven't really looked in a year or so, but it should hold true. The real point to know is that Moore's law has little to do directly with performance. As someone mentioned, not everything can be parallelized, nor are many things written that way currently. So while you may see some increase in performance, the percentage change in transistors (let's say 50% more transistors) does not equate to the percentage change in performance (let's say 10%).

 

[howetechnical]

1. Multiple cores is great. But as mentioned, hardware often outpaces software in terms of capabilities. Simplest examples to look at are gaming platforms. The games released towards the end of a given platforms life cycle will often seem worlds apart from those released towards the beginning. As programmers get to better know the capabilities of the hardware they write on, they can push the envelope further and further.

2. I'm curious as to what the bottlenecks on mobile platforms are. Is cpu really the limiting factor? What about memory access times, especially for sdhc cards? Or even input lag from the touchscreens to other hardware? etc etc. CPUs are only one piece of the puzzle.

2.

That's interesting. Do you know what Moore's law is? It has to do with transistors, not MHz. So it's still fairly accurate, to the best of my knowledge. I haven't really looked in a year or so, but it should hold true. The real point to know is that Moore's law has little to do directly with performance. As someone mentioned, not everything can be parallelized, nor are many things written that way currently. So while you may see some increase in performance, the percentage change in transistors (let's say 50% more transistors) does not equate to the percentage change in performance (let's say 10%).

Another big factor as to why stock speeds on cores don't typically break 3.6 to 3.8GHz per core (that's not their fastest, FYI. Many OCers have reached 4.5-5GHz on INCREDIBLY loose proc's with insane watercooling and specific voltage settings, etc) is because of the materials being used. As new materials are discovered that will increase the capabilities of cores (such as sand, as AMD and Intel are realizing) or possibly even crystal components, the speeds of those cores will increase. I'm expecting a standard of 6GHz on something like 18 - 24 cores within 3 years on high end workstations

 

[SamsungVibrant]

That's interesting. Do you know what Moore's law is? It has to do with transistors, not MHz. So it's still fairly accurate, to the best of my knowledge. I haven't really looked in a year or so, but it should hold true. The real point to know is that Moore's law has little to do directly with performance. As someone mentioned, not everything can be parallelized, nor are many things written that way currently. So while you may see some increase in performance, the percentage change in transistors (let's say 50% more transistors) does not equate to the percentage change in performance (let's say 10%).

Did you know what Moore's law was prior to my statement, or did you wikipedia it after I mentioned it in here?

Anyways, In the 80 and 90's moore's law, and thus the number of increasing transistors was basically proportionally related to mhz. Thus many engingeers in silicon valley refered to moore's law as an increase in mhz. Once they hit a wall, they begain including more cores and looking for new materials, while mhz basically hit a platue.

 

[HadouGhost]

the minimum for Android OS 3.0 will be 1ghz processor and a minimum of a 3.5 inch screen and something like 380ram/rom. i'm very confident that our phones will see beyond 2.2

 

[SamsungVibrant]

the minimum for Android OS 3.0 will be 1ghz processor and a minimum of a 3.5 inch screen and something like 380ram/rom. i'm very confident that our phones will see beyond 2.2

someone at google said those min specs released were nothing more than a fake rumor.

 

[HadouGhost]

someone at google said those min specs released were nothing more than a fake rumor.

Proof or, sorry to say, gtfo.

=D

but if you think support is going to end at 2.2 then you are stooooopid.

 

[SamsungVibrant]

Proof or, sorry to say, gtfo.

=D

but if you think support is going to end at 2.2 then you are stooooopid.

Excuse you? Why should I provide proof, why don't you provide proof from someone at Google who stated those specs. You won't find any, because it is a rumor. Google said so themselves


Next time don't use language like that with me especially when you are wrong.

If you wan't to know the whole story, since you obviously don't do anything other than pull tid bits off the net. Staska at Unwired View started that rumor, and everyone on the net picked up on it, like a bunch of idiots, somewhat similar to yourself.

Then Google Android executive Dan Morrill said those specs were not to be believed as requirements.

Then Unwired View corrected their false information.


SO NOW YOU SHOULD GTFO

Finally, I'd love to put my academic background up against yours. I think that would be the only real comparison of who is stupid, or as you spell it, stooooopid

 

[HadouGhost]

Excuse you? Why don't you provide proof from someone at Google who stated those specs. You won't find any, because it is a rumor. Google said so themselves


Next time don't use language like that with me especially when you are wrong.

did you not see the smily face? did you not see how i extended the word ''stooooopid'' Dont get so butthurt buddy. Relax. we all love our vibrants!

If you were unable to detect the joking in my post, that i apologise. Let me rephrase my post


"Do you have proof it was a rumor? I'm really interested in this and I would like to know what the truth really is before i jump too much. Also, i find it highly unlikely that support will stop at 2.2"

everyone on the net picked up on it, like a bunch of idiots, somewhat similar to yourself.

Also, I do believe that was a personal attack, something that I have not done to you. +1 for maturity.

 

[howetechnical]

did you not see the smily face? did you not see how i extended the word ''stooooopid'' Dont get so butthurt buddy. Relax. we all love our vibrants!

If you were unable to detect the joking in my post, that i apologise. Let me rephrase my post


"Do you have proof it was a rumor? I'm really interested in this and I would like to know what the truth really is before i jump too much. Also, i find it highly unlikely that support will stop at 2.2"



Also, I do believe that was a personal attack, something that I have not done to you. +1 for maturity.

The joking you demonstrated was immediately truncated when you wrote, "gtfo". Whether you meant it as a joke or an insult, that kind of language always comes off as the latter.

As far as 3.0 goes, it's common knowledge for those of us that browse phandroid.com and androidcentral.com that Google stated those minimum specs were in all actuallity rumors, and that they were accurate as to the recommended specs for running the OS (not requirements). The specs in question are 1GHz processor, 3.5 inch or larger screen, and 512MB RAM.

Let's try to post a bit more helpfull next time. Not everything on the internet needs to be a flame war.

 

[HadouGhost]

The joking you demonstrated was immediately truncated when you wrote, "gtfo". Whether you meant it as a joke or an insult, that kind of language always comes off as the latter.

As far as 3.0 goes, it's common knowledge for those of us that browse phandroid.com and androidcentral.com that Google stated those minimum specs were in all actuallity rumors, and that they were accurate as to the recommended specs for running the OS (not requirements). The specs in question are 1GHz processor, 3.5 inch or larger screen, and 512MB RAM.

Let's try to post a bit more helpfull next time. Not everything on the internet needs to be a flame war.

ah i did not know it was recommended specs, not actual needed specs.

And yes, not everything has to be a flame war. We're all on this forum because we all have one or more things that unite all of us together. Our phones, and android. Thus we are all friends. and friends dont fight....all the time.