Do I still need Apps2SD with 2.2?

[westbros]

As per the title of this thread -do I still need it, or can I move apps to the SD automatically (assuming the app will allow being run from the SD card)?

 

[DragosP]

a2sd move ALL apps from /data/app and /data/app-private to card, even they aren't for Froyo. In addition, with a2sd+ you can have also dalvik-cache on the card.

 

[jay_kay]

Download an app from the market called SDmove and that will tell you which apps you can move and allow you to move them

 

[Roze]

Just to add on to what everyone has said. The apps2SD feature that is in Froyo is for apps that the DEVELOPERS have allow to be placed on the SD card.

If you'd like to see what apps that have Apps2SD enabled, check out this thread: http://androidforums.com/android-applications/105650-froyo-apps-2-sd-list.html

 

[Rastaman-FB]

you can force it using adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2

Moving ANY app to SD on FroYo (or how to Enable all grayed out 'Move to SD' buttons)' - xda-developers

read the guide

this means you can move apps even if the dev hasnt made it movable

 

[westbros]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. This is all very new to me.

So Apps2SD will move ALL apps to SD, irrespective of whether the developers have allowed this for their apps or not??? Doesn't sound that sensible to me.

But SDmove will show me which ones I can move over and allow me to do it individually?

Isn't there a function on board with 2.2 that allows it anyway? Or have I got that wrong? If so, how does it work?

Sorry...lots of questions there...

 

[diS]

So Apps2SD will move ALL apps to SD, irrespective of whether the developers have allowed this for their apps or not???

Apps2SD will allow you to move those apps that can be moved to be moved to SD. If the dev made the app to be moved to the SD card.

The link that "Rastaman-FB" gave is a tool that when installed correctly allows you to move them anyway, even if the dev didn't allow the app to move to SD card (it can be tricky because it will install some apps to your SD which results in some errors regarding the app (widget that don't show). So what you've got to do then is go to applications and manually move it back to internal memory.

But SDmove will show me which ones I can move over and allow me to do it individually?

Yes it will allow you to see what apps can be moved and you can then manually move them to your SD card.

Isn't there a function on board with 2.2 that allows it anyway? Or have I got that wrong? If so, how does it work?

No there isn't such funtion in 2.2
2.2 allows you to move apps that are capable of moving because the dev made it that way.
2.2 won't let you move apps that aren't capable of moving to the SD card.

Hope this clear things up a bit

 

[westbros]

Thanks for that, diS. So if I understand correctly there is in effect no difference between Apps2SD and SDmove. They both do the same thing.

Any pros and cons with either of them? I've read elsewhere that SDmove insists on refreshing every time you move a single app...

 

[diS]

Thanks for that, diS. So if I understand correctly there is in effect no difference between Apps2SD and SDmove. They both do the same thing.

Any pros and cons with either of them? I've read elsewhere that SDmove insists on refreshing every time you move a single app...

No you see, Apps2SD is a feature within 2.2 it's not an application that you download from the market.
It's like on your computer where you can choose an account. It's not a program it's just a feature that you run on your PC. It's the same with apps2sd.
You install 2.2 (froyo) but when you go to applications and you click on one you now have a button on your screen that says: "Move to SD". You don't need a specific program to do it it's build in, in 2.2 (froyo).

SDMove on the other hand is a program that you can find on the android market that only shows what programs can be moved or not.
It doesn't allow you to move them within the app. You'll need to do what I explained a few lines above in this post (Made the font bold).

 

[frankbonatelli]

Also to chime in here
Titanium has new featured that will allow you to batch move all apps to sd. Just check mark the ones you wish to move and leave unchecked them that need to be on the card.
Two issue with all this that I have found are
1) Apps that are on the SD card will not startup properly if they are set to do so during boot up.
2) Apps moved to SD card make it impossible to connect to the PC via USB cable for music transfers. When you plug in the android OS "unmount locally on the phone so that windows can mount it from the PC. This effectively disables any applications that are on the SD card until you unplug from the PC again. I haven't tried the dual mount app in market but its an option is this occurs with your phone.

 

[westbros]

Thanks again diS. That makes things clearer. So presumably the Apps2SD app that I've seen on the net is presumably for 2.1 (Eclair), I guess...

 

[Rastaman-FB]

Also to chime in here
Titanium has new featured that will allow you to batch move all apps to sd. Just check mark the ones you wish to move and leave unchecked them that need to be on the card.
Two issue with all this that I have found are
1) Apps that are on the SD card will not startup properly if they are set to do so during boot up.
2) Apps moved to SD card make it impossible to connect to the PC via USB cable for music transfers. When you plug in the android OS "unmount locally on the phone so that windows can mount it from the PC. This effectively disables any applications that are on the SD card until you unplug from the PC again. I haven't tried the dual mount app in market but its an option is this occurs with your phone.

ive never had this problem using the ADB method and i use it alot for transfer
i just havent moved core or background apps

 

[tef89]

I've just used the 'Force apps to SDcard' trick for non-rooted phones (running stock sense 2.2) and it worked prefectly - very happy as I was down to 30mb - now back up to 55mb. Been very careful about not switching background apps and all seems to work great - especially Co-Pilot

Now I can continue with my apps obsession lol

 

[williamj1]

As tef89 said above, I created a noob's guide. Here it is.

How to move apps to sd without rooting and requiring the app to support it: A noobs guide.

Ignore my last post. Successfully running most apps from my SD Card now. I think I will clarify how to do this for other users, as as helpful as the first post is - I think it misses out some key points for noobs

1. Download the SDK from here- Android SDK | Android Developers
2. Extract using something like WinRar
3. Copy the second folder into the sdk named "android-sdk-windows" to the desktop.
4. Open the folder on the desktop and open the file, SDK Manager.exe (as no such file as setup.exe exists in the new version of the SDk)
5. Close the command / windows command prompt window that opens
6. Untick all options you are promted to download except ones like the manuals, and Essentially, ensure the USB driver option is selected / ticked.
7. Let these files download
8. Ensure on your phone, USB Debugging is on - Go to Settings/Applications/Development/USB Debugging and ensure its ticked / on.
9. Download and install HTC Sync from HTC's website for your device.
10. Connect your phone by USB and select the HTC sync option when it pops up with charge only, disk mode etc.
11. Allow the sync to complete.
12. Open windows command promt. Start / Run
13. Type in (without quotations) "cmd"
14. The following should appear. (with your user account instead of William
    

15. Type in the following after the ">" at each step (without quotations,and including spaces and capital letters)

"cd desktop\android-sdk-windows\tools"
"adb devices"
"adb shell"
A $ sign should pop up
"pm setInstallLocation 2"
Another $ should pop up

And your done. Close everything, disconnect phone, turn off phone and then turn it back on again.

16. Now the phone will be set to install all apps you install onto the SD card. However, current apps on phone will mostly still be stored on the internal memory. This process doesn't move these apps for you, it adds the ability. So you must now manually move those already installed on the phone.

To do this, go to settings / applications / manage applications
Then you just click on an app, and the move to SD card box should no longer be Grey. So you must now move all the apps you want onto the SD Card.

Note: I would not advise moving apps like widgets, or anything system related. Furthermore, for example, I have the 3g watchdog app and the advanced task killer app constantly running, so it is advisable to keep apps like that on the internal memory.

Good luck. Any questions just ask. Ill check back regularly too. Hopefully, this guide is a little simpler for noobs

William

 

[dasgoods]

williamj1

Thanks for the noobs guide. Ever since the 2.2 TMobile update in mid-sept I have been trying to get more apps on my Desire. It's been bloody annoying finding great apps and having to delete some to get the others on and vice versa. Now most of the apps can be moved (except ones that have widgets like Touiteur, SwitchPro, ChompSMS, or that poxy Adobe Flash Player!)

NOW all I need to do is root the bloody thing