Another blow - no Google Goggles for us. 2.0 or die!

[Howie]

I find it funny that people agreed to pay $600+ for a device and are so blind to what's going on around them.

The smartphones business is currently the most competitive in the world today! Google understands it - this why they release new versions and apps all the time, other phone manufacturers understand it - this is why 75% of android phones are 1.6 and above.

Why can't HTC understand it? time is a major factor here.

It has nothing to do with how much money you spent on the device. You bought it and knew it had X version of software. There was NO guarantee when you bought it that HTC/Google would work on the upgrades. And no, not all phone manufacturers understand it as they see it as another profit generating method -- release a new phone with newer features (software/hardware).

Just be patient. HTC has more to test than Motorola does on the Droid because we don't have Sense UI or Motoblur.

 

[lekky]

@rankorn

Lol? You won't likely be getting that to be honest.

The whole problem with your thread is that you have too much anger issues for some reason. If you made your points clearly and concisly without resorting to sillyness (not to mention the way out of context anger) we might have had a decent discussion about your views. Sorry but this thread has pretty much died already, hope you learn for next time anyway.

 

[daffyduck]

Oh god, please not another thread on this topic, we had one last week.

I am sitting on the fence. First of all, HTC/Google are under no obligations to update their software to add new functionality and that is an undeniable fact - it costs them money to do this. Secondly and opposingly, if HTC/Google want to keep up with the market leader, Apple, they have to release updates for free (as happens for all models of iPhone).

Suggest we also stop the childish insults - all views are valid in this forum!

 

[BiGMERF]

i love the guy, he is adamant about how he feels... you go brother. without some anger here and there we woudnt get no where. vent all you like, some dont like it they can just move on to the next thread.

 

[daveybaby]

Rankorn, people have already explained to you several times the difference between releasing a phone with stock android 2.0, and releasing one with the significant upgrade that is SenseUI. Yet for some reason you can't actually seem to comprehend the difference. Are you actually aware that the hero isnt running stock 1.5? Do you know the difference?

Meh, what's the point? You have yet to respond to a single point that anyone has made with anything resembling coherent thought, you just spew out the same old rant again so what's the point in explaining it to you again?

Serious question: how old are you?

 

[daveybaby]

some dont like it they can just move on to the next thread.

Or we can point out that he's wrong.

 

[kentamayo]

For the love of all that is decent... grow up man, just because 2.0 isn't out on the Hero, doesn't mean it's going to fail like you said it would. I distinctly remember posting a few posts up that 2.0 won't be coming to the Hero...

no rather Android 2.1 will, which from what I've read so far has Sense UI running (albeit not perfectly).

I'm content to wait for HTC to release a more stable update than a flawed and rushed half-ass job. (Happened to me with the N97)

as the saying goes..

"Patience is a Virtue..."

 

[BiGMERF]

Or we can point out that he's wrong.

how can he be wrong? no one really knows. yes it does take alot to implement a new os on a phone but he has a right to gripe as to the time frame that it is taking them to get it going. I mean he has 11 voters that feel like he does. they probably dont want to speak up in fears of getting flamed. I myself voted no, lol. if the mytouch cant have it then the hero cant either!!! lmao. im selfish

 

[kentamayo]

Oh wait! I've got a better suggestion...

If he wants 2.0 so badly...



GET A DROID!!!!!

 

[BiGMERF]

Oh wait! I've got a better suggestion...

If he wants 2.0 so badly...



GET A DROID!!!!!

common we know thats not an option, he probably tied to a contract, making it impossible unless he pays a fee.. but then again, maybe he gan if he has a good 3-400 dollars laying around to subsidize leaving the contract and buying the new phone

 

[kentamayo]

@ BiGMERF - it was supposed to be sarcastic.

but anyway, given the childish nature of his rants, I do recognize that he is entitled to his own opinion. HOWEVER, he seems to constantly overlook the fact that there is:

a. An Android 2.1 thread in this forum and doesn't even bother looking there...
b. That in his poll, he stated that going back to the iPhone is an option (which isn't exactly cheap)...
c. He claims to have "intimate" knowledge on how the software industry works...

Ever since I signed up here, I've been seeing nothing by griping threads from, Hero sucks, to iWant and iPhone again...

I know I could have ignored this thread... but where's the fun in that?

 

[BiGMERF]

@ BiGMERF - it was supposed to be sarcastic.

but anyway, given the childish nature of his rants, I do recognize that he is entitled to his own opinion. HOWEVER, he seems to constantly overlook the fact that there is:

a. An Android 2.1 thread in this forum and doesn't even bother looking there...
b. That in his poll, he stated that going back to the iPhone is an option (which isn't exactly cheap)...
c. He claims to have "intimate" knowledge on how the software industry works...

Ever since I signed up here, I've been seeing nothing by griping threads from, Hero sucks, to iWant and iPhone again...

I know I could have ignored this thread... but where's the fun in that?

ooooh, ok. so your in it for the fun.. i can understand that!! lmao. but keep in mind that others are watching this and seeing the barrage he is taking.. this may influence future posters. I myself am an x-iPHONE user and at times do miss it. But for the money I am saving i will deal with the shortcomings.. FOR NOW. After all there is no app on itunes thats gives you back 30-40 dollars amonth.. lol

 

[kentamayo]

haha... I'm just entertained by the hordes of hissy fitters (no offense) on the Hero forum, I understand that Android is still in it's relative infancy, but.. rather than view more practical options and/or be patient about it, the TS just goes on and on and on and on and on, like a preachy energizer bunny... that by itself will influence future posts in this thread.

OT - I too am an ex-iPhone user, since I used it mostly for songs, i just ditched it for an iPod instead..

 

[BiGMERF]

OT - I too am an ex-iPhone user, since I used it mostly for songs, i just ditched it for an iPod instead..

bingo, thats what i did.. lol. sold the phone for 500, got a mytouch and an ipod touch and still had some cash..

 

[rankorn]

Serious question: how old are you?

For all you slanders and conspiracy seeking, I am 34 and work in the software business for more than 12 years. Now you can argue if I know what I am talking about or not.

I went into Android as an early adopter (like many others) because I understood what are the advantages of an open system like android, with Google on the back-end, compared to IPhone or any other OS.
One of those advantages is fast updating and new apps that use the open natures of the OS.
As I said, Google understands it and we can see how fast they publish new versions of the OS!. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but HTC does not have to rewrite everything, they only have to update!
2.0 (or 2.1, it does not really matters) is out more than 2 months ago, and we did not even get a timeframe for the update.

 

[daveybaby]

how can he be wrong?

The alternative to him being wrong is that HTC have got a fully complete and tested 2.0/2.1+SenseUI update ready, but are refusing to release it just to be annoying.

He's wrong.

I'm probably being a bit of an ass to him, and i'm starting to worry that he's actually really quite young in which case i'd feel kinda guilty... but if he *is* a grownup (not sure the word adult applies regardless of age) and this is how he regularly communicates with other grownups then... wow. Just wow.

 

[BiGMERF]

he just replied.. lmao

 

[kentamayo]

hmmm... Ever hear of "Beta Testing"?...

 

[rankorn]

I'm probably being a bit of an ass to him, and i'm starting to worry that he's actually really quite young in which case i'd feel kinda guilty... but if he *is* a grownup (not sure the word adult applies regardless of age) and this is how he regularly communicates with other grownups then... wow. Just wow.

As you can see I not young, so you don't have to worry about hurting my feelings...

Did not see any good argument from you yet, so maybe you can just leave the thread and go write something about how you like your Hero as is and how you are glad you can read emails.

Why did you buy Android in the first place? it seems you are not the typical user. I thought my fellow users will be technical enthusiasts like me, people who like to get the latest version of everything and are not afraid to try new things. The first thing I have done with my device is root it!

Maybe you should go back to Nokia or whatever. Don't worry, you will still be able to send text messages and all the new cool things you can discover there.

 

[kingvortex]

For all you slanders and conspiracy seeking, I am 34 and work in the software business for more than 12 years. Now you can argue if I know what I am talking about or not.....
Now, correct me if I am wrong, but HTC does not have to rewrite everything, they only have to update!
2.0 (or 2.1, it does not really matters) is out more than 2 months ago, and we did not even get a timeframe for the update.

If you are in the software business, as you state, then you would know that the Sense UI was written to work on top of, and was tested solely with Android 1.5.
It will now have to be applied to and thoroughly tested with Android 2.1 and updated to use 2.1's new features. As I'm sure you're aware, being a long standing part of a software business, this cannot happen overnight.
Can you imagine the storm of bad publicity HTC would come under if they just slapped Sense onto 2.1 and released it with no testing and it worked poorly or not at all?
Use some of your self stated vast experience in the software industry and apply some common sense to it!

 

[daveybaby]

As I said, Google understands it and we can see how fast they publish new versions of the OS!. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but HTC does not have to rewrite everything, they only have to update!

They have to reintegrate SenseUI which is tightly integrated into the OS, and actually replaces parts of it. It's not just an app that sits on top of android, it's actually a customised OS.

Also: the android 2.0 update is not just about new user features - it's also had its structure and APIs changed quite a bit to provide more features to developers. As a result it's quite a big job to reintegrate SenseUI. I'd imagine the differences in structure between 2.0 and 2.1 is pretty small, which is probably why we're now supposed to be getting 2.1 in the next update instead of 2.0 - it's probably relatively trivial to implement once the conversion to 2.0 has been done.

If youre an early adopter you'll have used stock android 1.x and you'll know how fugly and clunky it feels next to the Hero. The delay in getting 2.0 is the price you pay for having a much better user experience than stock android. IMO android 1.5+senseUI is better in a lot of areas than stock android 2.0 - the real reason 2.0 is going to be good is because of the new apps (which take advantage of the aforementioned API restructure (which is why the reintegration is complex (which is why we're still waiting for the update))).

 

[Howie]

... Secondly and opposingly, if HTC/Google want to keep up with the market leader, Apple, they have to release updates for free (as happens for all models of iPhone)...

Apple charged $10 for some of their updates (going from 1.x to 2.x and to 3.x). I'm just happy Google/Motorola/HTC/Verizon isn't doing that too.

 

[rankorn]

Hey Daveybaby, please check out this phone:
Nokia Europe - Nokia E71 - Products

I think it is suitable for you, I had this one for a year, and I was even able to read emails and look at pictures!
You will not need to worry your mind with updates and versions. Only one version there.

 

[trick202]

If you're that bothered, vote with your feet and get another phone.

I, too, am a well-documented whinger when it comes to this update. However, my gripe is slightly different to yours. I KNOW it's not an overnight process, I just wish they'd hurry up! "Work faster/harder" is my shout.

I agree that I'd like the update as soon as possible - and I also think it's a little naive to think it won't be buggy when it arrives in any case BUT, you don't need to let it affect your blood pressure quite so much. Don't be such a keyboard warrior.

 

[daveybaby]

Hey Daveybaby, please check out this phone:
Nokia Europe - Nokia E71 - Products

Very good. Though you still havent actually replied to any actual points that anyone has made, have you?