Windows 7 Phone will never beat out Android

[PinkMirrorKirby]

lol, what Im trying to say is the phone should come, from stock, with a decent amount of storage

wp7 has 8 GB minimum. thats a decent amount. if you want more obviously expand, but with android you have no choice but to buy an sd card just to get even 8 GB

Uh.. Samsung Galaxy S, Droid X, Droid 2 had 8 GB of storage from the start.

 

[PinkMirrorKirby]

engadget said the battery is horrible on it. plus im not a fan of android or htc. lol

Don't trust Engadget fully as they are notorious for support Apple's iPhone a lot.

 

[Light Speed1]

Don't trust Engadget fully as they are notorious for support Apple's iPhone a lot.

they gave wp7 a 7/10

macbook air with a 4 year old cpu gets 8/10, and iphone 4 with the worst antenna design ever gets 9/10

youre right its really pathetic.

 

[PinkMirrorKirby]

they gave wp7 a 7/10

macbook air with a 4 year old cpu gets 8/10, and iphone 4 with the worst antenna design ever gets 9/10

youre right its really pathetic.

Told you so, if you want good reviews, stick with PhoneArena or GSMarena.

 

[craigb87]

just scanned through this thread and I must say I find it pathetic. I like my Android phone. Light Speed1 clearly hates them, and feels the need to come to an ANDROID forum to tell us that we are all wrong. Why? I've never understood why people put so much effort into arguing who's phone is better. A lot of the time it seems like people are trying to justify their purchase.

oh and btw, my dad's bigger than your dad.

 

[lunatic59]

"tinkerers" are such a small minority of people, and android only suits them. this is why android is destined for failure...

the android experience isnt consistent between handsets because of the different oem skins. this is a horrid experience. i mean shit, the order of the hardware buttons arent even consistent. and whats the point of a menu button, wp7 shows you dont need a menu button to further confuse the end user.

Your statements contradict each other. The only people will even know the differences in UI are both based on Android are the small minority of tinkerers. The average consumer views Sense, TouchWiz and Motoblur as similar but different OS's and it helps them choose which handset would be best for their needs. The critics call it "fragmentation" but the market calls it "choice". Developers call it opportunity.

As for Android being destined for failure, perhaps you had better review the 3rd quarter market figures for all mobile operating systems and explain how 1300% growth and 25% global market share represents a path to failure.

 

[conor.in]

im not a fan of android or htc

Well here's the whole problem with this thread. You're as biased as they come.

 

[Martimus]

wp7 has 8 GB minimum. thats a decent amount. if you want more obviously expand, but with android you have no choice but to buy an sd card just to get even 8 GB

Sadly you seem to fixate on an incorrect belief that all Android phones have precious little memory. As was mentioned to you previously the Droid X, Droid 2, and Galaxy S phones all have a minimum of 8gb of internal memory. The DX, as an example, also comes with a 16gb MicroSD card to give it 24gb of memory right out of the box.

 

[Light Speed1]

As for Android being destined for failure, perhaps you had better review the 3rd quarter market figures for all mobile operating systems and explain how 1300% growth and 25% global market share represents a path to failure.

its eeasy to grow when verizon has buy 1 get 1 free deals and androids only competition are archaic blackberrys

 

[conor.in]

its eeasy to grow when verizon has buy 1 get 1 free deals and androids only competition are archaic blackberrys

Let's see if WP7 experiences the same meteoric rise against those archaic blackberrys.

 

[bmckenzie90]

I'm backing out of this debate. I want to apologize, first off, for even bringing this topic up and debating it to begin with.

Each OS has benefits and downfalls, and as Android continues to grow towards it's third version, I'm confident that Google will bring it closer and closer to OS perfection. Windows 7 Phone's OS in my opinion is lesser only due to how Microsoft is choosing to handle its software - much like Apple and their iOS. You won't see very many apps from "Joe Schmoe" from Nowhere, USA on WP7 or iOS. The reason I love Android is that it allows anyone and everyone a chance to start a new application, build it, and distribute it.

Windows 7 Phone looks absolutely kick arse, much better than the iPhone, but it does what I absolutely loathe both Apple and Microsoft for doing. It keeps users out, so that only developers with larger resources can take a project to completion. Say Joe Schmoe has an amazing idea for the way his phone should work. Android is the only platform that allows him to easily create, test, develop and distribue his new idea with no limitations. Microsoft and Apple will keep him out of core functions or shut him down, especially if his idea fiddles with their baby's core OS. Take iOS for example. Currently, developers aren't allowed to go anywhere near making a replacement for the default music player. It's a case of "Apple knows best." Even if I had an idea that would revolutionize how we interact with our music on our iPhones, there's no way for me to develop it on any platform but Android.

I don't debate that WP7 is the best designed OS, or that iOS has "unity" down to a tee. Android is the only one that not only allows it's user-base to make infinite changes, it encourages it.

- Done. I'm going to go back to figuring out how to develop my own apps.

 

[lunatic59]

its eeasy to grow when verizon has buy 1 get 1 free deals and androids only competition are archaic blackberrys

And yet you fail to explain how it is a harbinger of Android's failure as you so adamantly predict.

You also erroneously imply that Verizon is spearheading the majority of this Android juggernaut. Please, check the figures globally, where iPhone is not limited to a single carrier and you will find that Android's growth is also impressive.

 

[Light Speed1]

Let's see if WP7 experiences the same meteoric rise against those archaic blackberrys.

wp7 is launching next to iphones in at&t stores, but it will still put up a fight

 

[Light Speed1]

- Done. I'm going to go back to figuring out how to develop my own apps.

you dont have to figure much out if you are a windows phone developer, visual studio is much more robust than anything for android. i have almost no coding knowledge and i can make an app for windows. continue reading how to code for java.

 

[Light Speed1]

And yet you fail to explain how it is a harbinger of Android's failure as you so adamantly predict.

You also erroneously imply that Verizon is spearheading the majority of this Android juggernaut. Please, check the figures globally, where iPhone is not limited to a single carrier and you will find that Android's growth is also impressive.

because as soon as verizon gets an iphone or wp7 device, android will not continue "growing"....

currently verizon subscribers ugrade their phone, and they have no choice but to get a droid because of rebates and no other choices.

 

[ashykat]

I have a feeling integrated will triumph over fragmented

Taken directly from Steve Jobs' speech. Not to say I completely disagree. I'm very curious about what WP7 will bring to the market, but I just can't be a guinea pig aka early adopter until the platform proves itself a bit.

 

[Light Speed1]

we've seen it on video for months and it has been reviewed by hundreds of sites, what else exactly needs to be proven?

 

[Bnice]

we've seen it on video for months and it has been reviewed by hundreds of sites, what else exactly needs to be proven?

Well i hope they get it together because if they fail with this WP7 they might as well pack it up. They been in the mobile game for some time and haven't done a thing so be careful what you ask for.

 

[lunatic59]

because as soon as verizon gets an iphone or wp7 device, android will not continue "growing"....

currently verizon subscribers ugrade their phone, and they have no choice but to get a droid because of rebates and no other choices.

Read beyond the first sentence. While your theory may have some merit in the U.S. it does not explain the growth of Android in the rest of the world, where you can get an iPhone on most carriers.

Unlike the fanboi set, I don't believe one platform will kill the other. If any of them fail, they will fail based on their own merits, or lack thereof. As of today, right now the market has said the following:

We like the iPhone.
We embrace Android.
We use Blackberry and Symbian.
We are waiting for WP7.

 

[conor.in]

we've seen it on video for months and it has been reviewed by hundreds of sites, what else exactly needs to be proven?

If the app ecosystem develops (major failure of WebOS), if Microsoft keeps it healthy with updates that are timely, if it actually works in practice (who knew about the iPhone 4 antenna issue until it was in the real world? How many issues have been found-post release?), if the experience does not degrade with lots of data on the phone (many OSes slow down after a few months of use).

There's lots yet to be seen.

you dont have to figure much out if you are a windows phone developer, visual studio is much more robust than anything for android. i have almost no coding knowledge and i can make an app for windows. continue reading how to code for java.

And yet Android Market is over 100,000 apps. Apparently it's not the worst system out there.

 

[IOWA]

Alright. That's legitimate. I feel like Android is still the best OS for those of us who come here. However, I have multiple friends who constantly whine about how complicated it is, just because all they want is text, web, and a camera.

They're made for WP7. Android is for tinkerers.

Haven't they ever heard of a feature phone?

Most people dont need smartphones. They only want them because it's the in thing right now. And if they really can't figure out the basics of Android, they don't need it, either.

 

[IOWA]

engadget said the battery is horrible on it. plus im not a fan of android or htc. lol

Why are you here then? To start trouble?

 

[Thefoodman52]

Most people dont need smartphones. They only want them because it's the in thing right now. And if they really can't figure out the basics of Android, they don't need it, either.

Amen on that one... I can't even begin to convey the annoyance I feel when browsing through the market. ESPECIALLY with live wallpaper packs. People are CONSTANTLY giving the 'application' (quotes because it's just a pack, not a real app) one star because it "Won't open. Tried many times. SUCK. Evo". WHAT?!!! Do you know how to press the menu button?! That or do these people know how to frickin' read, or is illiteracy a thing of commonplace in the world of technology? SPECIFICALLY mentioned in almost ALL live wallpapers on the market, it is CLEARLY stated, in caps lock, that it will not work on some phones (mainly sprint) running 2.1. It is also stated they CANNOT BE OPENED. They then give INSTRUCTIONS on how to set the wall paper!! People still report the application as 'flawed' and one star it because they can't read?! Holy crap, beat my brains in with a wooden mallet please!!!

 

[Light Speed1]

And yet Android Market is over 100,000 apps. Apparently it's not the worst system out there.

90,000 wallpapers, no games

 

[Light Speed1]

Amen on that one... I can't even begin to convey the annoyance I feel when browsing through the market. ESPECIALLY with live wallpaper packs. People are CONSTANTLY giving the 'application' (quotes because it's just a pack, not a real app) one star because it "Won't open. Tried many times. SUCK. Evo". WHAT?!!! Do you know how to press the menu button?! That or do these people know how to frickin' read, or is illiteracy a thing of commonplace in the world of technology? SPECIFICALLY mentioned in almost ALL live wallpapers on the market, it is CLEARLY stated, in caps lock, that it will not work on some phones (mainly sprint) running 2.1. It is also stated they CANNOT BE OPENED. They then give INSTRUCTIONS on how to set the wall paper!! People still report the application as 'flawed' and one star it because they can't read?! Holy crap, beat my brains in with a wooden mallet please!!!

the menu button is a flawed mechanism. WP7 doesnt come with one because its just confusing to the average user.

this is another reason why i think android wont live with wp7 coming out