Evo 4G vs Epic 4G

[IOWA]

P

Try 5. And our country won't be the first one. Most likely Japan or some other non-backward nation that will hit true 4G speed.

But you can close your eyes and claim our speed is just as good in advertisement as Japanese! Their DSL is better than our fiber optic.

Do you have any idea how much faster the back bones servers in any country would have to get?

Apparently not.

 

[vud911]

So it can't happen. Lets see. Judging by the non-standard out there, I'll say this will be 9G:

Japan's NTT DoCoMo Launching 37 Mbps LTE - $80 for 5 GB of usage, $32 each additional 2 GB | DSLReports.com, ISP Information

It'll come. It isn't impossible by any stretch.

 

[C_Dub]

A co-worker of mine just switched from the EVO to the Epic and can't stop bragging how great it is. I think there's a chance I might have sprung for one if and only if it was out the same time as the EVO. I am getting a bit bored with the EVO and I think I want a WP7 but am waiting for them to hit Sprint and also to get better Mac support.

 

[IOWA]

So it can't happen. Lets see. Judging by the non-standard out there, I'll say this will be 9G:

Japan's NTT DoCoMo Launching 37 Mbps LTE - $80 for 5 GB of usage, $32 each additional 2 GB | DSLReports.com, ISP Information

It'll come. It isn't impossible by any stretch.

And? I promise thatsbnot end user speed that's theoretical speed.

Plus you really can't count japan. Its the size of my left shoe.

 

[vud911]

Yea, sure. Exclude one of the most technological advance nation in the world. That's sure a good way to finalize your results.

 

[heavychevy]

Try 5. And our country won't be the first one. Most likely Japan or some other non-backward nation that will hit true 4G speed.

But you can close your eyes and claim our speed is just as good in advertisement as Japanese! Their DSL is better than our fiber optic.

Who cares what they call it? Not 99% of the people. All they care it what happens when you download and upload. And Sprint's fauxG is fast as heck compared to other major carriers.

And where are these mythical T-mobile fauxG speeds. I keep hearing about them but have yet to see one. I came from a Cliq XT and my wife a Cliq and neither saw anywhere near what my Evo does (she's pretty clueless about 4g and her battery life sucks to be trying it anyways).

 

[vud911]

It'll be funny when Japanese release their 4G and we're up to 7G or whatever the hell it is up to when the Japan's 4G gets release.

They will have a lot of explaining to do when our 7G or whatever garbage they can think of by then is slower than 4G from Japan.

And obviously we care or we wouldn't be arguing about it right now.

 

[IOWA]

It'll be funny when Japanese release their 4G and we're up to 7G or whatever the hell it is up to when the Japan's 4G gets release.

They will have a lot of explaining to do when our 7G or whatever garbage they can think of by then is slower than 4G from Japan.

And obviously we care or we wouldn't be arguing about it right now.

1.) Actual real world throughput speeds will be much lower.

2.) Japan is just 145,883 square miles, vs the United States ~ 3.79 MILLION sq miles which would make the United States roughly 26 times larger than Japan.

That would make any kind of networking a nightmare, but no, it gets worse. The united States isn't even contiguous. And then we have even more huge barriers to things like this, such as TWO mountain ranges that span the height of our country, gigantic bodies of water all across the nation, and more.

So yeah, really, your comparing Apples to Oranges man. When Russia gets us beat for connectivity then we'll talk.

 

[vud911]

Do you think your so called 4G is being served in rural areas? Compare cities, like Tokyo to NYC, or whatever. It isn't comparing apples to oranges. Fact is most 4G upgrades is taking place in cities. All 50 states aren't going to all get upgraded if that's what you're getting at. Most likely only big cities where it makes sense to do so. I'd imagine is no different in Japan.

Fact is Japan is way beyond us technologically, broadband-wise. Don't know why you want to deny this fact because of size of the country. Going by your logic, there can only be 3 nations in the world that we can compare 4G speed with --Russian, Canada, and China.

 

[IOWA]

Do you think your so called 4G is being served in rural areas? Compare cities, like Tokyo to NYC, or whatever. It isn't comparing apples to oranges. Fact is most 4G upgrades is taking place in cities. All 50 states aren't going to all get upgraded if that's what you're getting at. Most likely only big cities where it makes sense to do so. I'd imagine is no different in Japan.

Fact is Japan is way beyond us technologically, broadband-wise. Don't know why you want to deny this fact because of size of the country. Going by your logic, there can only be 3 nations in the world that we can compare 4G speed with --Russian, Canada, and China.

 

[vud911]

Right. Keep justifying your buy and keep thinking you have the best speed in the world.

 

[eieio]

And? I promise thatsbnot end user speed that's theoretical speed.

Plus you really can't count japan. Its the size of my left shoe.

It's not lab speeds, that is speed real world usage..

The average has been 15 up and 5 down consistently

 

[IOWA]

It's not lab speeds, that is speed real world usage..

The average has been 15 up and 5 down consistently

Last time I checked 15 isn't anywhere near 37. Still Apple's and Oranges.

And I'm not justifying anything, I'm just explaining reality. It would cost the United States 100's of Trillions MORE dollars to outfit the United States with the same speed Japan is rolling out (Translation: not even done yet!) so naturally its going to take longer to get that kind of rollout anywhere here in the States, because companies need to think of the larger picture and not just one or two large cities.

It's like comparing someone outfitting their house with super high speed wifi vs a super mega mall being outfitted with wifi, and wondering why the data speeds in the mall arent as good, and why the mall isn't covered yet. Seriously.

 

[novox77]

the other consideration is population density. It's much easier to provide high-speed access to a dense population. Much fewer towers, and your speeds do increase based on proximity to towers.

So in that sense, Japan has a HUGE advantage over us from an infrastructure standpoint. There is no one city in the US that comes close to the density of Japan's urban areas.

 

[vud911]

the other consideration is population density. It's much easier to provide high-speed access to a dense population. Much fewer towers, and your speeds do increase based on proximity to towers.

So in that sense, Japan has a HUGE advantage over us from an infrastructure standpoint. There is no one city in the US that comes close to the density of Japan's urban areas.

New York City.

 

[vud911]

Last time I checked 15 isn't anywhere near 37. Still Apple's and Oranges.

And I'm not justifying anything, I'm just explaining reality. It would cost the United States 100's of Trillions MORE dollars to outfit the United States with the same speed Japan is rolling out (Translation: not even done yet!) so naturally its going to take longer to get that kind of rollout anywhere here in the States, because companies need to think of the larger picture and not just one or two large cities.

100 Trillion dollar more. Stop making up stuff. Can't argue with you anymore because I can't take you serious.

 

[vud911]

It's not lab speeds, that is speed real world usage..

The average has been 15 up and 5 down consistently

During a demonstration of the service in central Tokyo on Monday, a PC equipped with an LTE modem was measured streaming data at around 56Mbps.

NTT DoCoMo to Launch LTE Service on Dec. 24 - Yahoo! News

 

[IOWA]

New York City.

Seriously???

It's probably a GOOD thing you don't run any business's.

If your a nation wide corporation, WHY ON EARTH would you focus a ton of money on ONE CITY in a country like the UNITED STATES.

Do you even understand what ROI is?

 

[IOWA]

NTT DoCoMo to Launch LTE Service on Dec. 24 - Yahoo! News

Yeah? And? On WiMAX demos they've shown up to 75+Mbps

Demo =/= Real world, chief.

 

[vud911]

Seriously???

It's probably a GOOD thing you don't run any business's.

If your a nation wide corporation, WHY ON EARTH would you focus a ton of money on ONE CITY in a country like the UNITED STATES.

Do you even understand what ROI is?

The same reason why they focus billions of dollars on deploying fiber optic to the few selected cities around the United States. You always have to pick and choose cities. Sprint is currently doing the same -- they choose and pick cities. Not every city, farm, mountain, lake is going to get blanketed in 4G coverage. Really no different in Japan, Korea, or any other country that is more advanced than the US.

And this is exactly why our nation is backwards in term of broadband/mobile. Why deploy things like fiber optic when you can give them halfass cable/DSL/mobile and turn a bigger profit. Why bother giving real 4G when you can market out something that 'feels' just as good as 4G (LOL) because they tell you so. Number 1 reason why our nation won't be the leader in broadband/mobile technology, ever.

But glad you came back to reality and realize the sad state of broadband/mobile in our country.

http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

 

[vud911]

Yeah? And? On WiMAX demos they've shown up to 75+Mbps

Demo =/= Real world, chief.

That type of WiMax sure hell isn't what Sprint is giving you guys.

I'm confident when I say Japan's LTE is going to be faster than anything the United States will be able to give. Hell, I'm certain they currently surpassed us already. South Korea is another one. Hope I didn't shock you with that real world fact. Somehow I think you think Sprint is the fastest mobile network in the world, least that's my impression.

One more things: reread the article. They're not talking about theoretical speed. They are talking about real life speed. The theoretical speed of Verizon's LTE is much, much more than 5-12Mbps. 5-12Mbps sounds about on par Sprint is giving out right now.

Japan's NTT DoCoMo will be delivering a Christmas eve gift of LTE. The company will be launching LTE service on December 24 at speeds of 37.5Mbps downstream and 12.5Mbps upstream while on the go -- and speeds of 75Mbps downstream and 37.5Mbps upstream inside buildings fitted with LTE antennas and equipment. While considerably faster than Verizon's planned U.S. LTE launch speeds of 5-12 Mbps.

 

[RickJ]

100 Trillion dollar more. Stop making up stuff. Can't argue with you anymore because I can't take you serious.

Not sure why you cant have a reasonable conversation/debate without resorting to insults, useless off the cuff sarcasm, red herrings, blatant misquote and misconstruing of others statements. Actually that does describe a certain condition, Im sure it can be located in wikipedia.

Japan's upcomming LTE offering is significant, however you ignore all the realities of this type of implemenation. You offer it and some absurd line of reasoning as anecdotal support for whats not even a position but what appears to be an attempt to mitigate Sprint's (and other carriers) offerings without any analysis.

Technologies that conform to imt advanced's seemingly arbitrary specs are on the horizon, wimax 2 and lte advanced, among others, though it remains to be seen what and when they make it to deployment. Its not as though this (significant) move forward pre-empts further advancement.

The itu's shortsightedness on the evolution and the actual potential for implementation of technology is at fault here, not Sprint, Clear or any other carrier who is actually doing the work. Using the term 4g on what is clearly faster technology prior to implementation of one that meets a conglomerate of bureaucrats specs (being well in excess of current wired connections)could be called at the very worst opportunist. Given the nature of competitive marketing it is reasonable to assume that the first carrier to deploy service that represents a significant leap in speed (not the increase from 1 to 2 mb/s you mitigated it to be) would opt to use the natural 4th generation term and market it.

Anyone hung up on the use of that term is just being petty, or perhaps is just continuing to chomp chomp chomp after an episode of foot in mouth. Your argument of arbitrary 4,5 and 7g garbage, among others being without any rational only re-enforces the latter.

I do agree, however, that there really isnt much point in continuing the conversation, as there isn't much constructive debate and your posts dont offer any support or insight, sensible or not.

 

[vud911]

Not sure why you cant have a reasonable conversation/debate without resorting to insults, useless off the cuff sarcasm, red herrings, blatant misquote and misconstruing of others statements. Actually that does describe a certain condition, Im sure it can be located in wikipedia.

Japan's upcomming LTE offering is significant, however you ignore all the realities of this type of implemenation. You offer it and some absurd line of reasoning as anecdotal support for whats not even a position but what appears to be an attempt to mitigate Sprint's (and other carriers) offerings without any analysis.

Technologies that conform to imt advanced's seemingly arbitrary specs are on the horizon, wimax 2 and lte advanced, among others, though it remains to be seen what and when they make it to deployment. Its not as though this (significant) move forward pre-empts further advancement.

The itu's shortsightedness on the evolution and the actual potential for implementation of technology is at fault here, not Sprint, Clear or any other carrier who is actually doing the work. Using the term 4g on what is clearly faster technology prior to implementation of one that meets a conglomerate of bureaucrats specs (being well in excess of current wired connections)could be called at the very worst opportunist. Given the nature of competitive marketing it is reasonable to assume that the first carrier to deploy service that represents a significant leap in speed (not the increase from 1 to 2 mb/s you mitigated it to be) would opt to use the natural 4th generation term and market it.

Anyone hung up on the use of that term is just being petty, or perhaps is just continuing to chomp chomp chomp after an episode of foot in mouth. Your argument of arbitrary 4,5 and 7g garbage, among others being without any rational only re-enforces the latter.

I do agree, however, that there really isnt much point in continuing the conversation, as there isn't much constructive debate and your posts dont offer any support or insight, sensible or not.

Too long to read, so I skipped it.

 

[IOWA]

Too long to read, so I skipped it.

Translation: I've been owned.

 

[vud911]

Translation: I've been owned.

I LOL at that. It was a brick of text. Only way I would read something that long is if it interest me. The first few rhetorical line put me to sleep. No thanks.