Calling it now - Nexus one is BS

[psufan5]

I think (like some others have said) that the entire phone is BS. Google handed out G1 phones to their employees for Christmas, and this is nothing more than the same. Its basically an unlocked HTC Passion phone (GSM version) handed out for OS testing (2.1). What better way to test a major update to your OS than to hand it out to your own employees?

In my opinion: There is no "Google" phone per say allowing you to use VOIP for all your voice and data needs. No carrier would allow that on their network, and would go out of their way to keep it off. Why would they allow a device on their network that would be nearly half the price as a current smartphone plan? It just has to do with logic here folks. Everyone.. and I mean everyone would get the phone, and the cell company would lose so much revenue it would be scary.

If they do allow such a VOIP phone on their networks (cell companies) they will jack up the ala-carte prices to compensate for the Google prices.

No way... no how... any cell provider allows a phone that simply requires a data connection to use all of its services. It goes against everything a cell phone company uses to make money.

Until I see this become a reality, im calling BS.

 

[TheNorthernForest]

K.

 

[psufan5]

K.

Great reply. Sorry to burst your bubble with logic

 

[Re4son]

I think (like some others have said) that the entire phone is BS. Google handed out G1 phones to their employees for Christmas, and this is nothing more than the same. Its basically an unlocked HTC Passion phone (GSM version) handed out for OS testing (2.1). What better way to test a major update to your OS than to hand it out to your own employees?

In my opinion: There is no "Google" phone per say allowing you to use VOIP for all your voice and data needs. No carrier would allow that on their network, and would go out of their way to keep it off. Why would they allow a device on their network that would be nearly half the price as a current smartphone plan? It just has to do with logic here folks. Everyone.. and I mean everyone would get the phone, and the cell company would lose so much revenue it would be scary.

If they do allow such a VOIP phone on their networks (cell companies) they will jack up the ala-carte prices to compensate for the Google prices.

No way... no how... any cell provider allows a phone that simply requires a data connection to use all of its services. It goes against everything a cell phone company uses to make money.

Until I see this become a reality, im calling BS.

umm i dont know about the others but im excited because its a GREAT phone coming to tmobile (or at least compatible with tmobile). i could care less if its a google phone or not.

 

[ajm144k]

look into it man. and i dont mean read more forums posts (like im guessing thats how you've gotten most of your information about this). look into it.

google is paired up with t-mobile closer than all other carriers:
-for adc2, the judges consisted of two t-mobile reps while all other cell companies in the world had 0.
-the first android phone ever was released on t-mobile

google is paired up with htc closer than all other manufacturers:
-htc has the most android phones to date
-the first android phone ever was made by htc

google is looking to make "game-changing" moves, as has been said before
-data only requirements is pretty damn game changing...

t-mobile needs customers more than verizon and att, so why would they be against this?
-i honestly think that verizon is in no rush to get the iphone because, economically, it might harm the data functionality of their already huge customer base. look at how att frequently has data outages because of too much data usage by iphone ppl. the damn att ceo asked att customers to use less data. verizon just might not have the capacity to support a HUGE influx of new iphone users... or MAYBE even nexus one users- who would need strictly data. and att obviously cant handle their customer usage as it stands now.
-verizon has the droid and bb storm 2. stiff competition...
-att has the iphone. stiff competition
-t-mob has ... nothing that ranks high like the two previously mentioned.
-t-mob will soon have america's fastest 3g via hsdpa. what better network to launch a data-only phone...

...and these are the reasons why i think the nexus one will be on t-mobile. please prove me wrong! i like (logically, civilly) arguing.

 

[choffy21]

Great reply. Sorry to burst your bubble with logic

Yup. Those tricky bastards down at the FCC just love to trick and lie to us.

HTC Nexus One blessed by the FCC (updated) -- Engadget

Sorry. Hate to burst your bubble with logic.

 

[ari-free]

google is paired up with t-mobile closer than all other carriers:
-for adc2, the judges consisted of two t-mobile reps while all other cell companies in the world had 0.

hmmmm not everyone was crazy about those results

 

[ari-free]

Yup. Those tricky bastards down at the FCC just love to trick and lie to us.

HTC Nexus One blessed by the FCC (updated) -- Engadget

Sorry. Hate to burst your bubble with logic.

So it's an HTC phone called the Nexus One and for t-mobile. Doesn't mean it is the 'google' phone with voip and will change the world, etc.

 

[Teufel Hunden]

No need to get get brash there psufan5. While I do agree that it would not be all that smart for Google to release this phone to only t mo, in a way it does follow in suit what they have done in the past. Your "logic" says that this is nothing more than the idea of a G1 dev phone, but the G1 dev phone was in fact released by t mobile and sold for quite some time before ANY android phones were released on other carriers. I also think think that t mobile does in fact offer a data only plan...

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I think there is definitley a lot of crazy rumors and hype but the only thing people seem to keep forgetting is that Google has only made ONE extremely cryptic statement about what the **** this phone is. So yeah, everyone needs to break out their inhalers and calm down.

 

[ajm144k]

hmmmm not everyone was crazy about those results

extraneous and moot are the two words that come to mind after reading this post.


oh, and like teufel said above me- the fact that t-mob had the g1 which did have an early release to google employees wasnt the right fact to bring up when trying to debunk the nexus one.

 

[choffy21]

So it's an HTC phone called the Nexus One and for t-mobile. Doesn't mean it is the 'google' phone with voip and will change the world, etc.

Forum users have said that. Not HTC, not Google, not Google employee's.

 

[ari-free]

extraneous and moot are the two words that come to mind after reading this post.

You're entitled to your opinion. But I shall point out that my first reaction to the results was that the games that won were light and casual games that have more appeal to t-mobile's demographic and have little appeal to Verizon Droid users who are begging for high performance 3D games.

 

[ajm144k]

You're entitled to your opinion. But I shall point out that my first reaction to the results was that the games that won were light and casual games that have more appeal to t-mobile's demographic and have little appeal to Verizon Droid users who are begging for high performance 3D games.

be that as it may, i initially brought it up just to show that google favors t-mobile for some reason.

 

[SoCalMiles]

So it's an HTC phone called the Nexus One and for t-mobile. Doesn't mean it is the 'google' phone with voip and will change the world, etc.

Forum users have said that. Not HTC, not Google, not Google employee's.

And that's all we know, now we just have to hope the rest of us get something equally as nice. Google hasn't said anything officially about selling anything any certain way yet. Its all speculation.

 

[Stormin]

So it's an HTC phone called the Nexus One and for t-mobile. Doesn't mean it is the 'google' phone with voip and will change the world, etc.

This phone might not be the second coming, it might not even be "THE GOOGLE PHONE", but it is starting the revolution. viva la revolucion

 

[psufan5]

Yup. Those tricky bastards down at the FCC just love to trick and lie to us.

HTC Nexus One blessed by the FCC (updated) -- Engadget

Sorry. Hate to burst your bubble with logic.

Do you have selective reading? Where did I say the phone doesnt exist? I said its not going to exist as a phone only requiring a data connection. Before you try to act like a brilliant wisea$$, try not making a fool of yourself with lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Phydeaux]

Do you have selective reading? Where did I say the phone doesnt exist? I said its not going to exist as a phone only requiring a data connection. Before you try to act like a brilliant wisea$$, try not making a fool of yourself with lack of reading comprehension.

He never said you said the phone didn't exist. My reading comprehension is fine and looks to me like you we're the wisea$$ first.

Regarding whether or not the phone will be picked up by a carrier, all signs point to yes.

If you're T-Mobile (a 3rd rate carrier), what better way to increase market share than to pick up the "iPhone killer"?

 

[Darkon]

be that as it may, i initially brought it up just to show that google favors t-mobile for some reason.

Why wouldn't they? It's not like Tmo wasn't the first carrier to support Google's efforts to break into the wireless industry with the G1 or anything. No sir.

Sarcasm aside, I'm sure other carriers have flagship phones under the spotlight (Verizon with DROID, AT&T with iPhone). Verizon just recently unveiled the DROID, so they need the time to squeeze as much as they can out of it. AT&T's exclusivity contract with the iPhone is running out soon, so they would probably want to get every single penny out of it too. But once it runs out, I can see them jumping ship to try to up-sell this phone.

 

[kyler13]

The OP is right. All this "Google Phone" crap is likely BS. This is about the only hard evidence out there: the HTC Nexus One is coming to T-Mobile in the future. Everything else is rumor.

 

[SoCalMiles]

***MORE SPECULATION***

I noticed in ALL the new leaked Nexus One pics, the phone seems to only be running stock Android 2.1. No Android 2.1 with Sense UI. This either means that it might be the "Google" phone as speculated and will run stock Android with "Google's" own tweaks, which I don't think at all, or further proves the "Dogfooding" theory of Google employee's getting an early Christmas gift of a new phone to test the new 2.1 OS, which I hope.
Many of you think the "Google" phone is a Great idea for Google...and it might as well be ...IF ITS A HUGE HIT!! If its not it might be suicide in a way for Google. Competing with your business partners, not so much HTC because of their close ties and so far they've produced all of there products but Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Acer or whoever else makes Android devices is GONNA DRIVE A WEDGE BETWEEN THEM!! Mark my words. Those companies will resent Google more and more every time they release a device which over shadows anything they've just developed. Sure its stimulates device development and competition is good for the consumer and blah blah blah...but it also makes these companies think of finding a different/better OS to compete against them....AND THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR BUSINESS!

 

[SoCalMiles]

Also I think no one officially comments on any of this crap cause Stocks are still climbing so they're all gonna ride the speculatory train for a while

 

[ari-free]

be that as it may, i initially brought it up just to show that google favors t-mobile for some reason.

I'm sure google appreciates t-mobile for the G1 and everything. But do you really think google would throw away all everything they've built with Verizon, Sprint, motorola, Sony, samsung, etc and bet everything on Catherine Zeta Jones and her army of teeny boppers? It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[psufan5]

He never said you said the phone didn't exist. My reading comprehension is fine and looks to me like you we're the wisea$$ first.

Regarding whether or not the phone will be picked up by a carrier, all signs point to yes.

If you're T-Mobile (a 3rd rate carrier), what better way to increase market share than to pick up the "iPhone killer"?

Stopped reading after your first sentence. He didnt say that I was saying it doesnt exist? OK so... What would be the point of quoting an FCC approval then?

Exactly... You didnt read either.

 

[ari-free]

If you're T-Mobile (a 3rd rate carrier), what better way to increase market share than to pick up the "iPhone killer"?

but this isn't an iPhone killer. It's a thin phone with curves but to be an iPhone killer you need to either:
1) make a masterful work of art. But beating Jonathan Ive at his own game is not an easy thing to do and certainly not achieved by this Nexus.
2) put in all kinds of 'stuff.' This is more achievable by any hardware company. Make a better keyboard than the Droid with a trackball. A front facing camera for video calling. A 4.3" screen. Make it really 'hot' for gamers.
Apple would have to throw out their entire design in order to compete with those external specs. Everything on iPhone looks so polished because all the apps are all custom-tailored for that one form-factor. Push them out of that comfortable position and they won't be able to adapt.

 

[twospirits]

let me remind everyone, that its okay to debate, and even defend your position on a matter, but when it starts to being rude to your fellow member, thats when I step in and give a time out. lets not get to that point people or I will give infractions and close the thread if necessary.

Carry on.

TS