Well that was fast......

[Hangdog42]

Only took 3 days for the Republican leadership to obliterate their promises on earmarks.


So much for fiscal responsibility.

 

[droiduzr2]

Only took 3 days for the Republican leadership to obliterate their promises on earmarks.


So much for fiscal responsibility.

Maybe this time around it will only take them 4 years to drive the country into a real full blown depression.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Maybe this time around it will only take them 4 years to drive the country into a real full blown depression.

Wait for them to crappily regulate the financial industry (again)

 

[Crude]

well lets not forget that Obama promised it first.

 

[droiduzr2]

well lets not forget that Obama promised it first.

I guess we already forgot that Clinton left a budget surplus of $300 Billion and in 8 years Bush left you TRILLIONS $ in DEBT.

We already know that you will blame Obama for everything from this point forward. God forbid most of you get off your fat or obese butts (that is a factual statement according to the CDC) and work to bettering your country for EVERYONE instead of allowing a handful to plunder it.

It was BUSH with PAULSON that CREATED and GAVE the BAILOUT MONEY. It WAS A DONE DEAL.

I see GM is making a profit and paying back the Government loans WITH INTEREST oh wait so are the banks.

I see the CURRENT President got BP to PAY for their mess and provide a $7 BILLION iirc fund to help right their wrong for the Gulf Coast states.

That was funny shit watching that REPUBLICAN apologizing to Tony Hayward CEO of BP oil because the Administration was holding BP accountable for the mess they made.

Why didn't you Tea Party Type's or TRUE CONSERVATIVES try to BOOT that loser out of YOUR GOVERNMENT...but there is MORE
He is going to head the energy committee iirc...

Go back and watch your buddy Beck and tune into the drug user Limbaugh to put you to sleep

 

[droiduzr2]

Wait for them to crappily regulate the financial industry (again)

uhm, they will remove regulation so I guess there will be nothing for them to do crappily

 

[mike114]

Does this really surprise anyone?? Bush and the republicans went crazy spending money we didn't have and now Obama and crew have tripled their efforts in less than 2 years. Anyone who thinks this mess is going to be solved by DC is seriously delusional. Both parties are to blame and have been for a long time. Anyone who thinks differently is a party hack and is part of the problem.

The solutions begin at the state and local levels. The states need to start taking a stand and telling the feds to go pound sand with all their unConstitutional laws and regulations. How about states start opting out? Stop sending money to the beast in DC. It's time to dismantle leviathan piece by piece if we want to save this Union.

 

[Crude]

Does this really surprise anyone?? Bush and the republicans went crazy spending money we didn't have and now Obama and crew have tripled their efforts in less than 2 years. Anyone who thinks this mess is going to be solved by DC is seriously delusional. Both parties are to blame and have been for a long time. Anyone who thinks differently is a party hack and is part of the problem.

The solutions begin at the state and local levels. The states need to start taking a stand and telling the feds to go pound sand with all their unConstitutional laws and regulations. How about states start opting out? Stop sending money to the beast in DC. It's time to dismantle leviathan piece by piece if we want to save this Union.

I mostly agree with this. I do think that for ever mistake a republican makes a democrat will make 4...and they are far worse....and they will continue the bad choices of the republicans instead of letting them expire.

Truth be told the people are not united and this means one thing; it's not a question of if America will end, it's a question of when.

 

[droiduzr2]

I mostly agree with this. I do think that for ever mistake a republican makes a democrat will make 4...and they are far worse....and they will continue the bad choices of the republicans instead of letting them expire.

Truth be told the people are not united and this means one thing; it's not a question of if America will end, it's a question of when.

Do you think the Palin, Beck,Limbaugh types help with unity?
I see those 3 as causing a big rift and Fox "news".
The Republican party is now divided with the Tea Party.
The Tea Party will want POWER. The old R's will not want to let go of their power.

FIiiiiiiightttttttttttttt

 

[Hangdog42]

well lets not forget that Obama promised it first.

The president can't earmark, he can only veto bills containing earmarks. However, your friendly neighborhood Congresscritter attaches earmarks to bills that the president can't really veto. Will the president really not fund the troops? Nope, that is why bills to fund Iraq and Afghanistan are larded with pork.

I mostly agree with this. I do think that for ever mistake a republican makes a democrat will make 4...and they are far worse....and they will continue the bad choices of the republicans instead of letting them expire.

Lets see, the state of the economy today is largely due to financial de-regulation and the repeal of Glass-Steagall act both of which have Republican fingerprints all over them. The Iraq war has cost us around $1 trillion was launched primarily by Republicans. And lets not forget that part of the reason why the deficit has ballooned under Obama is that he put the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan in the budget as opposed to Bush pretending that somehow they didn't count towards the deficit. So you just go ahead and keep believing that the Republicans are better. I'm sure that when the TSA implements mandatory colonoscopies for any travel within the US, you'll feel better because the TSA is a Republican creation.

 

[dark4181]

The new congress doesn't start it's reign until January. So don't blame the new ones, blame the lame ducks that are doing everything they can to screw us

 

[Hangdog42]

The new congress doesn't start it's reign until January. So don't blame the new ones, blame the lame ducks that are doing everything they can to screw us

Kyl isn't a lame duck. He is part of the Republican leadership (second behind McConnell). He will be back when the new congress starts, and will still be the #2 Republican. If he feels free to lie through his teeth now, why would anything change in January?

 

[Crude]

The president can't earmark, he can only veto bills containing earmarks. However, your friendly neighborhood Congresscritter attaches earmarks to bills that the president can't really veto. Will the president really not fund the troops? Nope, that is why bills to fund Iraq and Afghanistan are larded with pork.



Lets see, the state of the economy today is largely due to financial de-regulation and the repeal of Glass-Steagall act both of which have Republican fingerprints all over them. The Iraq war has cost us around $1 trillion was launched primarily by Republicans. And lets not forget that part of the reason why the deficit has ballooned under Obama is that he put the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan in the budget as opposed to Bush pretending that somehow they didn't count towards the deficit. So you just go ahead and keep believing that the Republicans are better. I'm sure that when the TSA implements mandatory colonoscopies for any travel within the US, you'll feel better because the TSA is a Republican creation.

You're wrong, but I don't have time pull this mess apart.

 

[Hangdog42]

You're wrong, but I don't have time pull this mess apart.

Oh, well then, thanks for clearing that up. I had forgotten that conservatives are automatically right about absolutely everything and the rest of us just need to sit down and shut up. I'll try harder to remember that in the future.

 

[droiduzr2]

You're wrong, but I don't have time pull this mess apart.

Typical, when you are confronted with facts you run off or try to blame someone else. You offer no solutions or suggestions.

I guess it's hard to put yourself aside and see the world differently. America started off with good intentions but now look at what the greed of a few has done to the many.

A smart person is one that can change their mind to adjust for the course where as a stupid person is full speed ahead, finger in the ears, blinders on, right over the Grand Canyon.

 

[Crude]

Typical, when you are confronted with facts you run off or try to blame someone else. You offer no solutions or suggestions.

I guess it's hard to put yourself aside and see the world differently. America started off with good intentions but now look at what the greed of a few has done to the many.

A smart person is one that can change their mind to adjust for the course where as a stupid person is full speed ahead, finger in the ears, blinders on, right over the Grand Canyon.

That's why I'm conservative and not liberal.

 

[Vihzel]

This really isn't a surprise at all. It's typical politics. Promise things that everyone knowledgable enough knows are lies. I commend those people who live and breathe politics. I can't stand it.

 

[droiduzr2]

That's why I'm conservative and not liberal.

You really make no sense.
Are you telling me that you subscribe to an ideology that prevents you from altering your direction based on circumstances.

That's like saying of look, there is a bear in the middle of our lane and you reply with...I am a Conservative, full speed ahead.

Compromising is when you have $1 and you and your wife/gf/bf wants to share an ice cream cone costing $1 but you want chocolate and she wants vanilla, that when you compromise for both of you and get 50% of each in one cone.

Do you run your household budget by compromising when it comes time to pay your mortgage or bills?

Does your Boss say let's compromise when it's time for raises and promotions by always giving you the lesser of the deal?

I can't help but to think that mindset was probably against electricity and and thought people were actually witches and BURNED them alive.

Where was your CONSERVATISM when BUSH blew the surplus budget in his first term leaving you in a deficit? It's funny that the RIGHT wing was NOT all OVER TV/RADIO then. I did not see you guys MARCHING then.

It's interesting that after all the ****ed up shit Bush and the Republicans left you with that just short of half of you STILL voted for them in the last Presidential election to elect Palin/McCain.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys?

Lee Atwater said it best when asked how do you get these poor white people to vote against their economic interest...he said we just tell them it's about FREEDOM and LIBERTY and they vote with their FEELINGS.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!

 

[droiduzr2]

Only took 3 days for the Republican leadership to obliterate their promises on earmarks.


So much for fiscal responsibility.

When did they have or exercise any? They left you with TRILLIONS of examples as PROOF that they had none.

 

[Crude]

You really make no sense.
Are you telling me that you subscribe to an ideology that prevents you from altering your direction based on circumstances.

That's like saying of look, there is a bear in the middle of our lane and you reply with...I am a Conservative, full speed ahead.

Compromising is when you have $1 and you and your wife/gf/bf wants to share an ice cream cone costing $1 but you want chocolate and she wants vanilla, that when you compromise for both of you and get 50% of each in one cone.

Do you run your household budget by compromising when it comes time to pay your mortgage or bills?

Does your Boss say let's compromise when it's time for raises and promotions by always giving you the lesser of the deal?

I can't help but to think that mindset was probably against electricity and and thought people were actually witches and BURNED them alive.

Where was your CONSERVATISM when BUSH blew the surplus budget in his first term leaving you in a deficit? It's funny that the RIGHT wing was NOT all OVER TV/RADIO then. I did not see you guys MARCHING then.

It's interesting that after all the ****ed up shit Bush and the Republicans left you with that just short of half of you STILL voted for them in the last Presidential election to elect Palin/McCain.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys?

Lee Atwater said it best when asked how do you get these poor white people to vote against their economic interest...he said we just tell them it's about FREEDOM and LIBERTY and they vote with their FEELINGS.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!

And you say I make no sense.


On topic. It's insteresting that the dems promised this when they had the house and the senate and the presidency...but this is news? Republicans don't even have a super majority. It's not good, it's why a lot of Americans are neither R or D, I don't agree with it....but this is news?

 

[mike114]

Where was your CONSERVATISM when BUSH blew the surplus budget in his first term leaving you in a deficit? It's funny that the RIGHT wing was NOT all OVER TV/RADIO then. I did not see you guys MARCHING then.

It's interesting that after all the ****ed up shit Bush and the Republicans left you with that just short of half of you STILL voted for them in the last Presidential election to elect Palin/McCain.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys?

Conservatives demonstrated their disgust with the republicans and Bush by not voting for them in 2008. And regarding McCain, he was obviously not the choice for most conservatives and those of us who voted for him did so holding our noses. The alternative, Obama, was the driving force getting me to vote for McCain. And now we see the results of both parties failures.

In 2 years we'll see the disaster that Obama will be leaving behind...10+% unemployment, trillions in debt, troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan, GITMO still open (which is ok with me), healthcare which will bankrupt and kill us. But he will be hailed as the greatest one term President ever.

I'm not looking forward to the election 2012 as it will not fix a damn thing. The republican candidates at this point are not the one's to begin the process of turning back almost 100 years of unConstitutional rule.

 

[Hangdog42]

10+% unemployment, trillions in debt,

Well, considering that this is the worst downturn since the Great Depression and that took a decade and a world war to fix, there is no surprise that this won't be fixed in four. I dont' get people who think this recession should be over by now.

troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan, GITMO still open

No surprise there either. A lot of us were screaming that both were going to be decades long before either started. Afghanistan was probably necessary, Iraq, not so much.

healthcare which will bankrupt and kill us.

If you were paying attention, you would realize that healthcare was going to bankrupt and kill us BEFORE the reforms started. The problem with the reform that happened is that it didn't go anywhere near far enough. Healthcare was, and still is, broken in the US.

I'm not looking forward to the election 2012 as it will not fix a damn thing.

Well, you're probably right about that.

 

[byteware]

Did no one actually read what it was?

Only three days after GOP senators and senators-elect renounced earmarks, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, got himself a whopping $200 million to settle an Arizona Indian tribe's water rights claim against the government.

Kyl is paying claims against the government by black and Native American farmers.

The courts have determined that these citizens deserve compensation, and in exchange for that compensation, the Native American citizens are dropping 6 other claims against the government.

I have to say, I'm against earmarks completely, but paying what the courts have determined that the federal government owes it's citizens.... is well, what we SHOULD be doing.

And it shouldn't take an act of legislation for it to happen either.

 

[Hangdog42]

Did no one actually read what it was?

Yeah I did, did you?

Typically, Congress "authorizes" big water projects in policy-setting bills that promise funding in future legislation. Kyl's measure started out that way but it morphed behind closed doors into a bill that actually provides the money.
The bill, passed unanimously on a voice vote Friday after most senators had left Washington for the week, vaults his, Baucus' and Bingaman's projects to the front of the line instead of having to compete with other projects for limited Interior Department funds.

I'm all for the government paying what it owes, but lets at least not short circuit the regular process just so Kyl's state can get to the money faster. This was a backroom deal to benefit Kyl's constituency and it was slipped in at the last second when nobody was around to object. Why not follow a normal process?

 

[byteware]

Yeah I did, did you?


I'm all for the government paying what it owes, but lets at least not short circuit the regular process just so Kyl's state can get to the money faster. This was a backroom deal to benefit Kyl's constituency and it was slipped in at the last second when nobody was around to object. Why not follow a normal process?

There was NO project in the article that I read... (granted, I will admit to skimming).

All that was mentioned in the article was that he put forth an amendment to pay the claims against the government.

Are they in his state, I don't really care. The courts have determined that this money should be paid, and it should be required by law that it BE PAID.

Just an FYI, behind earmarks, my second biggest pet peeve is that it literally takes an act of congress to get the money that the courts say the federal government owes you.