Root voodoo5 kernels are here

[saps]

It certainly does lag behind at times I've done more than eyeball it. I actually spent a lot of time rebooting and testing with LPP ADW and Voodoo5 installed and not installed in every case v5 lagged behind, and sometimes by a lot, on first runs.

Sap, Have you done a complete uninstall that included removing the red CWM ?
I tried but ended up re installing V5 I think the 1129 non voodoo kernel I downloaded was miss labeled because it turned v5 back on when it should have uninstall it.

Its not that big of a deal since you can pretty much leave it on all the time now but if I decide to go completely back I want the stock recovery also.

I'm getting better battery life with it installed so I'll leave it for now.

Yeah I did completely remove voodoo and all its goodies like red cwm twice now already and then put it back on twice, or technically three times on.

I/we are probably over testing this stuff. Part of me thinks we should probably just uninstall quadrant and all benchmarking program and not run these tests and just use the phone for our daily life. Even my real world tests arent really real for me since I never actually change my dock shortcuts. And I go into manage applications very very rarely. Might as well just run the stock kernel then huh? But then the other part of me, the dominant part says no, its my phone and I want it performing to the max.

 

[saps]

Are you saying that if you long press and select Widgets it comes up instantly on the first run? becauei t takes 5 seconds on my phone non voodooo and 6.5 to 7 on v5 selecting activities can take 16 to 20 seconds (sometimes longer) on lpp non voodoo and a long 42 seconds on v5

These times can be all "over the board" but they average about what I said and the only thing consistent was V5 took longer.

I think its more likely something else causing the lag and not the FS I say its more likely the way memory is accessed, either a poor memory controller or driver.

One interesting note is the X has almost exactly the same time lag as the SF. It might be interesting to compare the chip level hardware in the two or compare the code to HTC's Dinc which was instant.

See thats what Im talking about, sometimes it fast and sometimes it slow but the overall average seems to be slower.
Piiman try the dock shortcut applications thing too

 

[nitsuj17]

Are you saying that if you long press and select Widgets it comes up instantly on the first run? becauei t takes 5 seconds on my phone non voodooo and 6.5 to 7 on v5 selecting activities can take 16 to 20 seconds (sometimes longer) on lpp non voodoo and a long 42 seconds on v5

i just rebooted....long press and select widget on 12/1 voodoo, about 1 second

ill wipe data/cache tomorrow and test it out...

quitting time for me and then a bunch of stuff around the house tonight

 

[davidnmegan6907]

Ok so I went to do the update to v5 12/1 and did everything and rebooted the phone..when going from voodoo to voodoo should it not do all the crazy stuff and the womans voice or is that only the first time of install? or did i do someting wrong?

 

[saps]

Ok so I went to do the update to v5 12/1 and did everything and rebooted the phone..when going from voodoo to voodoo should it not do all the crazy stuff and the womans voice or is that only the first time of install? or did i do someting wrong?

robot voice is first time only, its the conversion from rfs to ext4. When the kernel itself flashes yes you still get that jumbled blue text which flashes on screen during the process

 

[davidnmegan6907]

robot voice is first time only, its the conversion from rfs to ext4. When the kernel itself flashes yes you still get that jumbled blue text which flashes on screen during the process

Great to know!! I got that blue words all crazy but when it rebooted and I didnt hear the voice I said damn I screwed it up..but I guess it got it


dumb question though..suppose I didnt wait for you to answer and would have went back through cwm and tried to install the same thing again and it was already on there would it have done anything?

 

[Piiman]

maybe because voodoo hasnt cached yet on your first attempt its running poorly i mean its never that bad for me even after wiping data/cache and flashing the kernel (to test)

but id have to imagine it would get better....idk all our setups are different....to each his own

Of course it hasn't cached it that the point of testing it that way, its a truer reading of how fast the fs or accessing the fs is. Once its cached its in memory so the FS wouldn't have any effect on how fast it reads the FS.

Have you actually timed one?

 

[saps]

Great to know!! I got that blue words all crazy but when it rebooted and I didnt hear the voice I said damn I screwed it up..but I guess it got it


dumb question though..suppose I didnt wait for you to answer and would have went back through cwm and tried to install the same thing again and it was already on there would it have done anything?

Yes, if you flash a voodoo kernel or any same kernel on top of itself nothing bad happens. But yeah flashing the same kernel on top of itself does not do anything per se, it will flash on. Its like taking off your shirt and putting it right back on basically

 

[Piiman]

Flash-a-holic
Yeah no need to defend voodoo5 as Im not per se attacking it.
Im merely sharing statistics which speak for themselves. Believe me I want to like voodoo5 its why Im back on it for the third time. But equally true the underwhelming numbers are what they are. I just re did the application dock shortcut test and it was again 15 seconds. That just sucks I dont know why. But then again how important is that? I havent changed a LP dock shortcut in weeks. Its just so disappointing to see it so starkly different there, maybe its just me though somehow.

Can others with voodoo try this out on their SF for me: If you have LP, go to your dock icon and long press it to bring up change shortcut, then select applications and tell me how long it takes. Whenever I try it from a cold boot or a screen sleep it takes me like 15 seconds to get the list of icons to show. However, as long as my screen stays on or I run it a second time its instant.

Actually try it with several different dock shortcuts and run each one 3-4 times each. I get very mixed results even without the screen going to sleep. I just dont get it. It should not be this laggy, this is the kinda stuff that makes me ditch voodoo. Its so inconsistent

SAPS, it takes me 8 seconds to display the app list for a dock short cut. I would think the number of apps would make a difference though. How many do you have? I have 150

 

[OMJ]

i just rebooted....long press and select widget on 12/1 voodoo, about 1 second

ill wipe data/cache tomorrow and test it out...

quitting time for me and then a bunch of stuff around the house tonight

same here took a second or less for me

 

[saps]

SAPS, it takes me 8 seconds to display the app list for a dock short cut. I would think the number of apps would make a difference though. How many do you have? I have 150

Yeah I have a ton too but again sometimes its instant and sometimes it takes a long long time. I got a lot of apps too, not sure how many exactly but my phone storage is like 500mb+ according to task manager

 

[saps]

same here took a second or less for me

try the dock shortcut thing now

 

[Piiman]

Yeah I did completely remove voodoo and all its goodies like red cwm twice now already and then put it back on twice, or technically three times on.

I/we are probably over testing this stuff. Part of me thinks we should probably just uninstall quadrant and all benchmarking program and not run these tests and just use the phone for our daily life. Even my real world tests arent really real for me since I never actually change my dock shortcuts. And I go into manage applications very very rarely. Might as well just run the stock kernel then huh? But then the other part of me, the dominant part says no, its my phone and I want it performing to the max.

I stay away form benchmark programs they do not show real world performance. Heck all you have to do is change one small thing and Quadrant tells you your phone is now twice as fast...yeah sure..
I'm a pessimist at heart and I look very closely at claims of improvements and because of that I'm not prone to the the placebo effect I feel many have or get when something new comes out. I can' count the times I've ask people to actually time something and they never get back to me, wonder why or they just say will it feels faster.

If something is really faster you can measure it with a stop watch people.

While I'm sure Voodoo does some things slower ,in real world its not that bad. Like you said how many times do I put a new app on the Dock or select and activity from a long press? While we probably do it more than most its still not that often and I'm personally not so impatient that I can't wait 5 seconds for something to happen. Now those 40+ second delays ...they really suck and should never happen ! But they still do even with V5

 

[OMJ]

try the dock shortcut thing now

same about a second

edit I probably have 30 to 40 apps

 

[Piiman]

Yeah I have a ton too but again sometimes its instant and sometimes it takes a long long time. I got a lot of apps too, not sure how many exactly but my phone storage is like 500mb+ according to task manager

Its only instant if its been cached (ie read at least once and hasn't changed) It also would have to read 500mb just the file names so the longer the list the longer the time it would take.

 

[stevonyc34]

i love voodoo 5. when i used non voodoo kernels i noticed it took a little while to open and close dolphin browser and google voice but with voodoo 5 i don't experience and lag whatsoever.
but it seems my battery life has suffered since 11/29.
im currently running 12/1.
luckily, i carry two batteries with me all the time.

off topic, is anyone using ADW freak beta? could that be sucking my battery?

 

[Piiman]

same about a second

First run? You can't test a cached read. A cached read wouldn't even access the FS

 

[OMJ]

First run? You can't test a cached read. A cached read wouldn't even access the FS

after a reboot or after several tries its the same for me. I do have a lot less apps than you guys. 30 to 40 at most

 

[nitsuj17]

I stay away form benchmark programs they do not show real world performance. Heck all you have to do is change one small thing and Quadrant tells you your phone is now twice as fast...yeah sure..
I'm a pessimist at heart and I look very closely at claims of improvements and because of that I'm not prone to the the placebo effect I feel many have or get when something new comes out. I can' count the times I've ask people to actually time something and they never get back to me, wonder why or they just say will it feels faster.

If something is really faster you can measure it with a stop watch people.

While I'm sure Voodoo does some things slower ,in real world its not that bad. Like you said how many times do I put a new app on the Dock or select and activity from a long press? While we probably do it more than most its still not that often and I'm personally not so impatient that I can't wait 5 seconds for something to happen. Now those 40+ second delays ...they really suck and should never happen ! But they still do even with V5

Like I said I will wipe data and cache either tomorrow or Friday and test voodoo and non side hy side......all I can say in my real world tests is that my games all hiccuped ALOT with nonnvoodoo (admittedly I haven't used 11/29 yet) and I have not seen that all yet on any voodoo 5 kernel.

Nonvooodoo took several seconds as well off a reboot to load apps from the launcher and voodoo doesn't.....hats all I can compare it to ATM.....

after a reboot or after several tries its the same for me. I do have a lot less apps than you guys. 30 to 40 at most

Yes I have very apps installed these days as well

 

[dan409]

I'm running stockdeodexedDJ05, stupidfast1.54, no themes, and using ADW.

The longest it ever takes me to go from long press-lauch apps. is .05 secs.
95% of the time it is instant. I am running 60 apps.

When I was running voodoo it was more like 50% of the time long-press, apps would lauch instantly. 11/29 ver

I am staying with the non-voodoo's for now. I never really noticed any diff between voodoo and non-voodoo kernels.(other than monster quad scores.) The old voodoo's were such a pia that it will take alot to get me back to them.

I want to make it 100% clear that I am in no way knocking anyone's hard work, but this is just how my experience has played out with the two. I definitely feel privileged that I am able to be a part of any of this and don't take any of it for granted. It is much appreciated !

PS nitsuj17. ADW now has an app for import export other browser bookmarks ! It's called Bookmarks to sd. But you prob already knew that.

 

[nitsuj17]

I'm running stockdeodexedDJ05, stupidfast1.54, no themes, and using ADW.

The longest it ever takes me to go from long press-lauch apps. is .05 secs.
95% of the time it is instant. I am running 60 apps.

When I was running voodoo it was more like 50% of the time long-press, apps would lauch instantly. 11/29 ver

I am staying with the non-voodoo's for now. I never really noticed any diff between voodoo and non-voodoo kernels.(other than monster quad scores.) The old voodoo's were such a pia that it will take alot to get me back to them.

I want to make it 100% clear that I am in no way knocking anyone's hard work, but this is just how my experience has played out with the two. I definitely feel privileged that I am able to be a part of any of this and don't take any of it for granted. It is much appreciated !

yeah its never knocking any devs hard work to say somethign works better for you at all....ya gotta run what works best for your phone

 

[zaphodbebleebrox]

Are you saying that if you long press and select Widgets it comes up instantly on the first run? becauei t takes 5 seconds on my phone non voodooo and 6.5 to 7 on v5 selecting activities can take 16 to 20 seconds (sometimes longer) on lpp non voodoo and a long 42 seconds on v5

These times can be all "over the board" but they average about what I said and the only thing consistent was V5 took longer.

I think its more likely something else causing the lag and not the FS I say its more likely the way memory is accessed, either a poor memory controller or driver.

One interesting note is the X has almost exactly the same time lag as the SF. It might be interesting to compare the chip level hardware in the two or compare the code to HTC's Dinc which was instant.

if i long press on the screeen , widgets and stuff comes up instantly, there is no lag or seconds there, its instant.

 

[nitsuj17]

if i long press on the screeen , widgets and stuff comes up instantly, there is no lag or seconds there, its instant.

yeah i think at this point piiman means from an uncached system...like wipe cache, reboot and then try....ill get to that *eventually*

 

[davidnmegan6907]

yeah i think at this point piiman means from an uncached system...like wipe cache, reboot and then try....ill get to that *eventually*

Just went to cwr wiped cache reboot and Im still getting instant on long press, Im running adw maybe making a difference? Im not going to say that there is never any lag at all but the only place I have seen it is leaving the txt message thats the only place crazy huh? Before going to v5 I had major lag with dolphin browser, still loved it when it pulled up, but major lag there. Once I loaded v5 it is now instant...but thats enough of my opinion

 

[OMJ]

yeah i think at this point piiman means from an uncached system...like wipe cache, reboot and then try....ill get to that *eventually*

I can see the point of doing exercise this on an uncached system but at the same time what does that have to do with real world usage. Seems to go down the same road as quadrant scores. If I have to jump through hoops to get bad results on a test then thats a good thing imo.