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Then you didn't read what I said.

I have ALL of my rights on your property. I never have the right to BE on your property. My rights don't change upon entering your property.

If I got to your house, and you touch my kids, you are going to prison. It doesn't matter WHAT you think happens to our rights when we come through the door to your house.

And coercing guests into a strip search, will get you a prison sentence (just an FYI, in case you were thinking about doing this).

Clarify please.

If I do not want you to talk about the Democrats or space aliens on my property, there goes the free speech provisions. If I do not want you to bring a gun, well, poof... there is another right gone. Stay and obey or please leave, I tell you.

But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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Clarify please.

If I do not want you to talk about the Democrats or space aliens on my property, there goes the free speech provisions. If I do not want you to bring a gun, well, poof... there is another right gone. Stay and obey or please leave, I tell you.

But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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Actually the government can take some of your rights away. If you are on parole and a cop pulls you over. He doesn't need the parolees permission to search his car. Plus if you are a convicted felon you lose your right to bare arms and the right to vote. So don't say your rights are something that the government can't take away. After all government law is not cut and dry black and white. That's why we have lawyers to find the loopholes.

Stop stretching. We are not talking about felons and other such situations. I KNOW what the laws are regarding what happens to your rights if you are convicted, in some cases.

Bob Maxey
 
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Stop stretching. We are not talking about felons and other such situations. I KNOW what the laws are regarding what happens to your rights if you are convicted, in some cases.

Bob Maxey

Not stretching nothing. You said the government can't take your rights away. So I showed you that there are ways the government can take or modify them. To many people yells that the government can't take your rights away. Amendments can be made and revoked and a good example is prohibition. Nothing in the the bill of rights says once the amendment is passed that it cannot be modified or abolished.
 
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Clarify please.

If I do not want you to talk about the Democrats or space aliens on my property, there goes the free speech provisions. If I do not want you to bring a gun, well, poof... there is another right gone. Stay and obey or please leave, I tell you.

But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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Clarify please.

If I do not want you to talk about the Democrats or space aliens on my property, there goes the free speech provisions. If I do not want you to bring a gun, well, poof... there is another right gone. Stay and obey or please leave, I tell you.

You cannot stop me from saying whatever I choose.
You cannot stop me from carrying a gun.
attempting to do either will end you up in jail.

You can tell new to follow your rules or leave, but you cant even make me leave.to do that you have to call the police.


But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.


attempt to stop me from speaking on your property and you go to jail, end of story. You have zero control of my rights, whether I'm on your property or not. The only thing you have control over is whether I'm allowed on your property.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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You cannot stop me from saying whatever I choose.
You cannot stop me from carrying a gun.
attempting to do either will end you up in jail.

You can tell new to follow your rules or leave, but you cant even make me leave.to do that you have to call the police.


But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.

attempt to stop me from speaking on your property and you go to jail, end of story. You have zero control of my rights, whether I'm on your property or not. The only thing you have control over is whether I'm allowed on your property.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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What he gets is an error. At no point on your property can you stop me from speaking. Asl you can do is escort me off your property....while I say whatever I want to.

Yes, indeed you can keep on yammering. I cannot muzzle you, tie you up, stuff a sock in your mouth, or beat you unconscious with a few bars of bar soap in a sock. To do so could land me in jail for assault. Well, I have great lawyers so perhaps not.

What I can do is ask you to leave, prevent you from entering in the first place, make you leave, have you escorted off my property by the coppers if you do something I do not want you to do.

I can ask you to leave if you carry a weapon, too.

Bob Maxey
 
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Not stretching nothing. You said the government can't take your rights away. So I showed you that there are ways the government can take or modify them. To many people yells that the government can't take your rights away. Amendments can be made and revoked and a good example is prohibition. Nothing in the the bill of rights says once the amendment is passed that it cannot be modified or abolished.

You clearly do not grasp what a terribly difficult thing amending the Constitution is, do you? It isn
 
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Cyber-bullying? Oh right, another liberal invention.

What kind of state is the world in when people won't even stand up for themselves. I'm thankful I will never be that pathetic that I won't stand up for what's right.

I agree.

This outrageous apathetic foolishness that some people exhibit astounds me. It is like spitting on every soldier that ever fought, is currently fighting, or has sadly died in the service of his or her country. Makes me sick to think that accepting these invasive searches is acceptable to so many people.

Our kids and grandchildren will certainly be asking mommy and daddy why they were lazy un-American fools.

The TSA searches are not the danger. What frightens me is this: once the government sees that they can do whatever they want because the people can simply be ignored, abuse spreads. Or could spread.

I think it is time these cowards that roll over and accept the TSA policies be told just how much damage they are doing to this country. And I am not saying the TSA does not have a place, they need to be reigned in.

Hopefully when Obama is voted out and a decent republican with demonstrable conservative principals takes office, something can be done. Here is hoping our President gets everything he wants; it will take that to demonstrate just how dangerous some people are when they take power.

Clearly, from reading this forum, far too many people really have no clue about the rights we are lucky to have. Certainly, many of those that comment on our rights have never read our founding documents and that is scary sad.


Bob Maxey
 
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So debating whether or not our 4th Amendments are being violated or not has now translated into cyber-bullying??? If you can't engage in debate, and unfortunately sometimes it does get a bit personal, then stay away. There are people who defend our Rights and are passionate about it.

And then calling on a mod to close the thread because it somehow offends YOU, that's pretty sad. Maybe we should do away with all debate if it rubs someone the wrong way. BTW, in your attempt to shut us down, how about examples where anyone in this thread feels threatened by the "bullies".

Hey Mike, the problem is simple: if you provide facts and a logical and well reasoned reply to a post that is neither factual nor logical nor well reasoned, some people take it as being mean or as a personal attack. Some people confuse strong disagreement with being trolls or being rude or being mean or being stupid.

Some people simply should not discuss things like American History, Religion, The Constitution, and The Supreme Court because they have never read a history book, darkened the doorway of a church, read the Construction, or even so much as sniffed a copy of Blacks, so they are unqualified to offer much, except to quote from the first few results Mr. Google returns that are often lies or inaccurate or BS.

Some people are not smart enough to know that some topics will generate heat and all they care about is their particular point getting across. If I started a thread,
 
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About all us decent folks can do is try to change their minds with a logical reply and sources we know are absolutely accurate. Never call them names or be rude. This keeps us safe from the Moderator who has the power to censor, ban and banish us to the bit bucket.

Bob Maxey
how do you know that you are in the right? Just because you believe it to be true don't mean that it is. That is your personal belief. Everyone can find a source that can contradict other people sources . In the end its what you believe to be the truth. Just like for everyone else on this board.
 
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You cannot stop me from saying whatever I choose.
You cannot stop me from carrying a gun.
attempting to do either will end you up in jail.

You can tell new to follow your rules or leave, but you cant even make me leave.to do that you have to call the police.


But private property is another thing; rights are what I give you.


attempt to stop me from speaking on your property and you go to jail, end of story. You have zero control of my rights, whether I'm on your property or not. The only thing you have control over is whether I'm allowed on your property.

As for this whole rights issue, please remember that the Constitution protects certain rights that the government can
 
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About all us decent folks can do is try to change their minds with a logical reply and sources we know are absolutely accurate. Never call them names or be rude. This keeps us safe from the Moderator who has the power to censor, ban and banish us to the bit bucket.

Much more powerful than the Moderators are the ideas that never calling names or being rude results in:
  • a foundation for respect of your words
  • a better chance that your argument will be heard
  • a clear exhibition of being the better person in a verbal fight

These are strictly my personal opinions.
 
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Since we're on the topic of rights on your own property, here's something we can all agree on as being an infringement of the 1st amendment

Idaho White Supremacist Builds KKK Snowman

Mind you his actions are in bad taste, but it's on his property so his right to free speech was violated.

That's fine and dandy, but he cowtowed to authority and removed the KKK hood and then the arm holding the noose.

He could have left it as was, accepted the arrest and fought it in court. He may well have ultimately won.

Or he may have lost resoundingly.

Either way - he lacked the courage of his convictions. He didn't fight for the rights you say he has in this case.

Did he spit on the graves of soldiers by throwing his rights away, showing cowardice to the police as he did?

Or, being confronted that he'd created a public nuisance, did he admit that he was shouting fire in an open theater?

What do you think?

FWIW, as context is often considered when dealing with rights, I noticed from the article that this all took place at: "The city of Hayden, in northern Idaho, is not far from the former headquarters of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations group."

I note with interest that had he erected this snowman - or a Nativity Scene - on the public median or public easeway to his property (whichever might apply) then he might have been compelled to remove it as a violation of church and state in the case of a Nativity Scene - or under any local provisions in the case of the silly snowman.

That's the difference a few yards can make in a physically open space (the property line is real - it is physically invisible however).

Do you believe public nuisance laws are invalid?

What if instead of a silly snowman he instead erected ear-splittingly loud audio system on the lawn and played rantings of his KKK beliefs all night long?

Does the 1st Amendment more directly protect that scenario than the snowman? It literally says speech, not snowmen as examples of expression.

Where would you draw the line?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Was his 1st Amendment right violated or was it an interpretation of that right that was violated?

And what about neighborhood covenants? Most of those dictate what you can and can't do just to decorate your house - and they tend to stand up in court from what I've read.

How is it that an enclave of neighbors can override the 1st Amendment - doesn't it appear that way to you?
 
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Since we're on the topic of rights on your own property, here's something we can all agree on as being an infringement of the 1st amendment

Idaho White Supremacist Builds KKK Snowman

Mind you his actions are in bad taste, but it's on his property so his right to free speech was violated.

Perhaps not. Perhaps such a display is in violation of community standards. Though it is hard to imagine such standards in Idaho. From a humor point of view, though, the klan snowman does demonstrate just how unsupreme white supremacists are. If there is a dumber group of Americans, they have yet to identify themselves.
 
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Since we're on the topic of rights on your own property, here's something we can all agree on as being an infringement of the 1st amendment

Idaho White Supremacist Builds KKK Snowman

Mind you his actions are in bad taste, but it's on his property so his right to free speech was violated.
again its not cut and dry for the first amendment. I can't hire a girl to pose nude in my yard and call it art. There is a decency law out there and you can bet I would be arrested. Go to trial and preach about my freedom of expression and the judge will still find me guilty.

So yes you have freedom of speech but up to a certain point. You can speak trying to start a riot. or if it starts to infringe on other peoples rights.
 
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Perhaps not. Perhaps such a display is in violation of community standards. Though it is hard to imagine such standards in Idaho. From a humor point of view, though, the klan snowman does demonstrate just how unsupreme white supremacists are. If there is a dumber group of Americans, they have yet to identify themselves.

How about people like this?

VERY EXTREME NSFW!

If you can't take the reality of what the world is really like, don't view.

If you are a liberal, and can't handle the truth, don't watch these videos.


I'm pretty sure all of those are dumber than that person who probably just played a sick joke.
 
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Among the things that bother me on this issue includes this sick joke:

TSA Employee Pulls Prank on College Student - ABC News

I'd also like to go on the record that I subscribe to the belief that those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
Ok lets get rid of all the security measures and go back to letting anyone carry anything on to a plane. Then when a terrorist hijacks your plane you can tell them you cant do that because your infringing on my rights. Then at your funeral it can be said at least he died with his freedoms in tacked:rolleyes:
 
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