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I simply typed in the search drop down "Tether" and came up with these helpful threads which have already been created. I hope they can be of some use to you. You may want to think about using the search function in the future before starting a new thread with numerous threads discussing the same exact thing already out there. This will avoid people "face-palming" you...HA, good luck

http://androidforums.com/incredible-all-things-root/130092-3g-mobile-hotspot.html?highlight=tether

http://androidforums.com/incredible-tips-tricks/74400-howto-tether-natively.html?highlight=tether

http://androidforums.com/incredible...thering-without-rooting.html?highlight=tether

http://androidforums.com/incredible...70077-easytether-issues.html?highlight=tether
 
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On my first rooting experience with my Eris I used PDAnet. (this was around July) The worst part about it was I had to carry my USB cable to do it, and I paid pdanet like 20 bucks or something for the service. After that phone got replaced I flashed xtrSense that came with Wireless Tether. It was painless. Press a big green button and have free wifi! lol Having just gotten the incredible I'm in love with the stock setup. So I have rooted, and went natively. I used it all last night without interruption.
 
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We all know that there should be/shouldn't be free tethering. Should be free because it's ridiculous to charge customers for this extra feature and shouldn't be free because the phone company is providing it for profit and not generosity. Basically it is illegal for free tethering but nobody is being charged for using it...at this moment(those who are not under a contract for it). I purchased easytether which is cheaper than Pdanet but then later on I found out how to get the mobile hotspot for free...unrooted. As stated earlier there several threads about tethering. You can download from the market the free versions or pay for them (pdanet/easytether), or follow the instructions to root your phone, or the other method which cannot be explained in these forums because it is definitely illegal to do the procedure.
 
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Basically it is illegal for free tethering but nobody is being charged for using it...

It's not illegal to do free wireless tethering. It's just something that could result in some undesired consequences. Such as:

-Paying the steep fee per mb usage. Which I believe is $1.99/mb (adds up fast; especially when you are using the wi-fi tethering with a computer.)
-Ending your contract due to you breaching their ambiguous 'Fair Use' policy.

Both of these only will happen though if you get caught.

While there are consequences, it's not like you risk being charged legal fees, having huge fines, or being imprisoned or something.


As far as people being charged for it. Yes people have been charged. Mostly dumb people that rack up over 5gb in data because they decide to download huge files on a computer over the 3g network.
 
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It's not illegal to do free wireless tethering. It's just something that could result in some undesired consequences. Such as:

-Paying the steep fee per mb usage. Which I believe is $1.99/mb (adds up fast; especially when you are using the wi-fi tethering with a computer.)
-Ending your contract due to you breaching their ambiguous 'Fair Use' policy.

Both of these only will happen though if you get caught.

While there are consequences, it's not like you risk being charged legal fees, having huge fines, or being imprisoned or something.


As far as people being charged for it. Yes people have been charged. Mostly dumb people that rack up over 5gb in data because they decide to download huge files on a computer over the 3g network.

It is still an illegal act because you are getting something for free which you know you are supposed to pay for. Though you won't get jail time for it Verizon is at liberty to charge you fees and terminate your contract. If you refuse to pay they can take you to court and sue you.
 
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It's not illegal.

For starters:

Rooting your Android Phone No Longer a Crime! AndroidGuys

This mentioned legality of rooting a phone. After that, at least using the UnrEVOked method, I have the free Wireless Tether app.

I can click it, and turn on wireless tether. As far as I'm concerned, I could have never read up on my phone prior to getting it and never have known that there's a 3g mobile hotspot app that costs $20 a month to wirelessly tether. I could have just clicked on the wireless tether app I had that allows me to wirelessly tether. My phone doesn't pop up any warning when I activate tether telling me that Verizon wants me to use their tether service.

You do have one solid point there though; it's still illegal not to pay your bills. Nothing has changed folks!
 
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What law is being broken by wireless tethering? Please be specific, and provide references.

Theft of service.
Software piracy (if you change settings to gain access to Verizon's app. To a lesser extent if your Rom features a copy of it.)
Breach of contract. Granted I don't think Verizon should have the right to restrict what I do with my data once it reachs my phone. But the contact says they do, and they have more lawyers than you do.
 
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Not theft of service. We already pay a monthly fee for service for 3g access. It's like an ISP provider. This is about as much "theft of service" as it is to set up a wireless router for the internet connection coming into your home. And how many people use that?

Not software piracy; it's an app called Wireless Tether. That's not in any way piracy. It's a capability of the phone which you as an individual has purchased.

i.e. I notice you mention your girlfriend having an LG Ally. You know VZW doesn't advertise or offer 3g mobile hotspot on that phone? It's still capable of wireless tether. So if you want to wirelessly tether on that phone (one of it's many capabilities), you're only option is to use that or some other app that allows it for 'free' (as in not paying verizon a monthly fee) use of the phone capabilities.

As far as verizon contract breaches. Here are the only 2 things I found that IMO are relevant. (read over them if you like)

https://my.verizon.com/central/vzc.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=vzc_help_policies&id=AcceptableUse


The following are examples of conduct which may lead to termination of your Service. Without limiting the general policy in Section 1, it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to: ...
generate excessive amounts of email or other Internet traffic...

You may not resell, re-provision or rent the Service, (either for a fee or without charge) or allow third parties to use the Service via wired, wireless or other means. For example, you may not provide Internet access to third parties through a wired or wireless connection or use the Service to facilitate public Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot)

What does this mean? Well, at least to me it means that they can cancel your service whenever they feel like, if they think you're downloading an excessive amount. However, they'd only really cancel your service if it was doing more harm than the good your $29.99 monthly data plan brings in. (I don't mention that $15 150 mb plan, cause if you're racking up that much data, I'm sure they would love to keep you on!)

In regards to the second thing i posted. It's the same thing as with wireless routers in homes, or when you go somewhere and realize "Oh, there's unprotected Wi-Fi here!".
Or, even if you're like me, in college, going to friend's apartments to do work. If I need to use the internet I just ask for the password to their wireless router. It's about as illegal as sharing that with people that don't live in that residence.
 
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That's actually the subscriber contract for Verizon Online, NOT the Verizon Wireless one. I can't find it right now, but the contract we signed CLEARLY AND SPECIFICALLY forbids ANY data tethering except under the terms of Verizon's Broadband Connect/Wireless tethering subscription.

And the be fair, in either case it's unlikely they would push to prosecute anybody for Theft of service, because that can just sue the pants off anybody they catch (or bindingly arbitrate their pants off).

As for the piracy, I was referring specifically to this method which CLEARLY circumvents controls the developers put in place to restrict access to a PAID service accessed through the app. This is clearly software piracy. If you use a different program, that isn't the case.
 
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Since you don't seem to understand this, breaching a contract or violating a license is not illegal. <sigh>

That's why I asked you to provide specific references to the laws being violated. You did not and can not, because they don't exist.

Yes, there may be penalties involved, and those are usually spelled out in the contract or in the license, but taking an action that allows those penalties to be enacted is not a violation of the law. In fact, it's a day-to-day occurance in the business world. And yet, I don't see those CEOs getting arrested for walking away from contractual agreements.
 
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Since you don't seem to understand this, breaching a contract or violating a license is not illegal. <sigh>

That's why I asked you to provide specific references to the laws being violated. You did not and can not, because they don't exist.

Yes, there may be penalties involved, and those are usually spelled out in the contract or in the license, but taking an action that allows those penalties to be enacted is not a violation of the law. In fact, it's a day-to-day occurance in the business world. And yet, I don't see those CEOs getting arrested for walking away from contractual agreements.

Breach of contract is illegal, it's just not a crime. You might want to look up "Civil Law" in a dictionary...

And onto the 2 CRIMINAL offenses I mentioned.
Theft of service (MN 609.52, your state WILL have equivalent laws)
Software Piracy/Hacking/Computer Theft (MN 609.88)
 
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While contractual violations are dealt with under civil law, that doesn't make them illegal as you state. Contracts are an agreement between parties. You can violate the terms of the agreement freely so long as you are willing to accept the penalties, either agreed upon as terms in the contract or as awarded by a civil court.

If you and I agree to the terms that I will provide you with a donut every day for one year in exchange for not telling my sister she's butt-ugly, and I stop giving you donuts after three months, you have the choice of calling my sister butt-ugly or sueing me in civil court for violating the terms of our contract. And yet, what I have done is not illegal.
 
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While contractual violations are dealt with under civil law, that doesn't make them illegal as you state. Contracts are an agreement between parties. You can violate the terms of the agreement freely so long as you are willing to accept the penalties, either agreed upon as terms in the contract or as awarded by a civil court.

If you and I agree to the terms that I will provide you with a donut every day for one year in exchange for not telling my sister she's butt-ugly, and I stop giving you donuts after three months, you have the choice of calling my sister butt-ugly or sueing me in civil court for violating the terms of our contract. And yet, what I have done is not illegal.

I don't care what you name it. It doesn't change anything.

And As I've mentioned again, for the 3rd time, there are also CRIMINAL Violations that could potentially be prosecuted.

I'm not going to continue this particular discussion (the one that depends on how you define illegal).
 
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