Class Action Lawsuit against Samsung over Froyo

[dan330]

^^^ I agree..

i will say.. they should guarantee upgrades for the 2 yrs that you are contracted to use this phone!!!

 

[Snow_Fox]

Eh... I have mixed views.

First as another user said, we vote with our wallets... we have the power to display what we want. They will listen fast if people stop buying their phones.

With that said..

I suggested it elsewhere I'll suggest it here as well.

I think that if manufacturers are not going to update phone's in a timely manner.

They should make their own source code open source.

I understand they have the legal writes to various aspects of the code.

However, I also don't think they should have the right to inhibit those of us who are willing to root our phones from getting the best possible upgrade.

There are devs who given proper knowledge could replicate froyo gingerbread or whatever else perfectly.

Given samsungs part of the code, it would be just like samsung made that upgrade.

Just the threat of samsung having to give over that power would probably give them a huge incentive to start churning out updates.

 

[NowVoyager]

These hardware manufacturers only have a "right" to their proprietary code overlay...not to Android itself. Perhaps the pressure should be for more manufacturers to release Vanilla Android handsets in greater supply. The current practice of adding dis-ablers to thwart rooting is but perhaps a direct message not only to devs but to the consumers as well - "We refuse the right to your right to keep this phone current beyond our wishes"??? The outcry should perhaps be "leave Android As-Is"

But alas, that puts too much power into the hands of consumers. When a phone is EOL'd six months after being released, it is assumed that consumers will purchase the next iteration of that phone...Dummy, Dummy2, Dummy XT, Dummy Infinity Plus. Delaying updates, disabling the ability to root, only insures that lineage.

It is we consumers who must wake up...not the manufacturers, they know what time it is. They make millions from our naivete. They take two chords and play them to the bus stop...ego and envy. "Mine is bigger! Mine is faster. Mine has the double-whammy-mammy-chip! I can see my display in bright sunlight from two blocks away through concrete walls!" You get the picture. They play us.

We're driving this train but few people know it. The minute we stop...the train stops.

 

[MJM128]

I just want samsung to suffer. They've hard terrible support, made false promises, and put all products prior to the newest thing from them on the back burner. I hate that I actually recommended samsung phones to people.

 

[Drhyde]

These hardware manufacturers only have a "right" to their proprietary code overlay...not to Android itself. Perhaps the pressure should be for more manufacturers to release Vanilla Android handsets in greater supply. The current practice of adding dis-ablers to thwart rooting is but perhaps a direct message not only to devs but to the consumers as well - "We refuse the right to your right to keep this phone current beyond our wishes"??? The outcry should perhaps be "leave Android As-Is"

But alas, that puts too much power into the hands of consumers. When a phone is EOL'd six months after being released, it is assumed that consumers will purchase the next iteration of that phone...Dummy, Dummy2, Dummy XT, Dummy Infinity Plus. Delaying updates, disabling the ability to root, only insures that lineage.

It is we consumers who must wake up...not the manufacturers, they know what time it is. They make millions from our naivete. They take two chords and play them to the bus stop...ego and envy. "Mine is bigger! Mine is faster. Mine has the double-whammy-mammy-chip! I can see my display in bright sunlight from two blocks away through concrete walls!" You get the picture. They play us.

We're driving this train but few people know it. The minute we stop...the train stops.

Maybe I'm just a bit dense about this, but doesn't preventing the ability to root the phone, you know, break the entire principle of openness? Yeah sure the concept works towards giving the manufacturers a platform to build off of, but I thought that Google's intention was for everyone. Hence, we have people like CyanogenMod that build directly from code (admittedly better than Google or any of the manufacturers have). Preventing rooting, forcing bloatware on us, and EOL that would make PC manufacturers blush with envy show some of the same behaviors that Microsoft had in the 90s.

Samsung JUST RECENTLY released the source code for the Behold II. Something seems hideously shady about that. As if they were waiting for consumers to not be paying attention to the fact that they screwed over owners of the phone. It's made even worse that some devs managed to get 2.2.1 running on the Behold II, blowing holes in the "can't be upgraded beyond 1.6" rubbish that Samsung said.

I would like to vote with my wallet, but when all of the companies are marching to the beat of one drum, what I do ultimately doesn't matter. The manufacturers need a wake-up call. Some say the lawsuit is frivolous, but I think it can help set a precedent on what consumers want and why they can't continue these kind of tactics. Depressingly enough, I now see why Apple did what they did with the iPhone. When the carriers can't touch the phone (like the Nexus series), the consumer gets a genuine Android experience without all the hassles and corporate meddling.

 

[NowVoyager]

Maybe I'm just a bit dense about this, but doesn't preventing the ability to root the phone, you know, break the entire principle of openness? Yeah sure the concept works towards giving the manufacturers a platform to build off of, but I thought that Google's intention was for everyone. Hence, we have people like CyanogenMod that build directly from code (admittedly better than Google or any of the manufacturers have). Preventing rooting, forcing bloatware on us, and EOL that would make PC manufacturers blush with envy show some of the same behaviors that Microsoft had in the 90s.

Samsung JUST RECENTLY released the source code for the Behold II. Something seems hideously shady about that. As if they were waiting for consumers to not be paying attention to the fact that they screwed over owners of the phone. It's made even worse that some devs managed to get 2.2.1 running on the Behold II, blowing holes in the "can't be upgraded beyond 1.6" rubbish that Samsung said.

I would like to vote with my wallet, but when all of the companies are marching to the beat of one drum, what I do ultimately doesn't matter. The manufacturers need a wake-up call. Some say the lawsuit is frivolous, but I think it can help set a precedent on what consumers want and why they can't continue these kind of tactics. Depressingly enough, I now see why Apple did what they did with the iPhone. When the carriers can't touch the phone (like the Nexus series), the consumer gets a genuine Android experience without all the hassles and corporate meddling.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything that you said - with the exception of your being dense, LOL.

But let me add these tidbits for you to chew upon: The practices of slavery and apartheid were acceptable daily ways of life until someone challenged the practice. The price of home computers was exorbitant until someone challenged the price point and brought prices down so that they are now nearly disposable. The architecture of cellphones and wireless remained closed source until Andy Rubin and his crew unleashed Android Open Source, turning the industry on its ear.

The manufacturers have put their garbage between Android and the user and THAT closes the source again...to the degree that rooting is discouraged. Some go as far as to threaten you with warranty loss and bar you from their websites for even *discussing* the "R" word!

Bottom line: Until a poor practice, bad mindset or improper way of life is challenged, it remains the same...to the greater loss of all.

 

[takeshi]

I realize the guy probably doesn't have a case but I commend him for his effort.

Even if there was a case I'm guessing he has little experience with class action suits and typical settlements (worthless coupons while attorneys actually make something from the suit).

Most people aren't that bothered, it's just folk who post in tech forums.

Bingo. People love to use forum posts as some sort of proof but these forum posts represent a tiny fraction of the overall consumer market. The majority of consumers just don't care if they're even aware of this.

 

[Shocky]

This is a lie. The update isn't out.

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Yes it is, I have friends even on T-Mobile who updated to froyo early last month, the problem isnt Samsung, it's T-Mobile in the US.

I'e been on 2.2.1 since december.